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Dan_E Mar 25, 2010 11:02 pm

Unionizing the TSA?
 
How would unionizing the TSA workforce affect security of our traveling pubic? More comments from Robert Hardings confirmation hearings:

"President Barack Obama's second nominee to head the Transportation Security Administration side-stepped questions Wednesday about whether he supports unionizing the nation's 40,000 airport screeners, but acknowledged the president's support for unionization of screeners and said any such plan should be done in a way that would not hurt national security."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/03/24...ominee.senate/

Spiff Mar 25, 2010 11:05 pm

A unionized Communist Party? Wow, one wouldn't normally think there are worse things than the Communist Party but there you are.

LuvAirFrance Mar 26, 2010 1:08 am

Cops and firemen have unions. Why not TSA?

Ari Mar 26, 2010 1:19 am


Originally Posted by LuvAirFrance (Post 13651386)
Cops and firemen have unions. Why not TSA?

Because they don't deserve one. @:-)

Because they already aren't held accountable for their actions. @:-)

Because they already bleed enough tax dollars. @:-)

GUWonder Mar 26, 2010 1:41 am

I share the concern that a unionized TSA will result in yet more waste of money in the name of "security" and less accountability for TSA actions/failures.

TSORon Mar 26, 2010 4:12 am

I generally oppose unions, typically they cause far more problems than they are worth. Unionizing the TSA would be an error in my opinion. Not because of less accountability but because of the need for the TSA to be able to adjust to circumstances. Terrorists are becoming more sneaky, and TSA needs to be able to adjust their procedures with little or no notice to meet whatever threat our (The USA’s) intelligence agencies find. Can’t do that if you have to confer with union heads (civilians) before changes can be made.

There are several Unions competing for the TSA’s workforce. AFGE and another large union (cant remember the name), plus a few smaller ones. I suppose the competition is a good thing, but that does not tell me what they offer that would make them worth the problems they would cause.

Ari Mar 26, 2010 5:12 am


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 13651806)
I generally oppose unions, typically they cause far more problems than they are worth. Unionizing the TSA would be an error in my opinion. Not because of less accountability but because of the need for the TSA to be able to adjust to circumstances. Terrorists are becoming more sneaky, and TSA needs to be able to adjust their procedures with little or no notice to meet whatever threat our (The USA’s) intelligence agencies find. Can’t do that if you have to confer with union heads (civilians) before changes can be made.

There are several Unions competing for the TSA’s workforce. AFGE and another large union (cant remember the name), plus a few smaller ones. I suppose the competition is a good thing, but that does not tell me what they offer that would make them worth the problems they would cause.

All good reasons. ^

halls120 Mar 26, 2010 5:42 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 13651467)
I share the concern that a unionized TSA will result in yet more waste of money in the name of "security" and less accountability for TSA actions/failures.

^^


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 13651806)
I generally oppose unions, typically they cause far more problems than they are worth. Unionizing the TSA would be an error in my opinion. Not because of less accountability but because of the need for the TSA to be able to adjust to circumstances. Terrorists are becoming more sneaky, and TSA needs to be able to adjust their procedures with little or no notice to meet whatever threat our (The USA’s) intelligence agencies find. Can’t do that if you have to confer with union heads (civilians) before changes can be made.

There are several Unions competing for the TSA’s workforce. AFGE and another large union (cant remember the name), plus a few smaller ones. I suppose the competition is a good thing, but that does not tell me what they offer that would make them worth the problems they would cause.

:D
Hell has officially frozen over.

Ari Mar 26, 2010 6:17 am


Originally Posted by halls120 (Post 13652044)
:D
Hell has officially frozen over.

What, TSORon isn't allowed to be right, ever? ;)

IslandBased Mar 26, 2010 6:29 am


Originally Posted by halls120 (Post 13652044)
:D
Hell has officially frozen over.

No, Ron is still defending TSA from what he sees as external threats. He is actually being consistent. ;)

FliesWay2Much Mar 26, 2010 6:32 am


Originally Posted by Dan_E (Post 13651038)
How would unionizing the TSA workforce affect security of our traveling pubic? More comments from Robert Hardings confirmation hearings:

"President Barack Obama's second nominee to head the Transportation Security Administration side-stepped questions Wednesday about whether he supports unionizing the nation's 40,000 airport screeners, but acknowledged the president's support for unionization of screeners and said any such plan should be done in a way that would not hurt national security."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/03/24...ominee.senate/

I'm hoping for a good ol' strike or two which would cripple air travel and place the blame squarely on the TSA.

nbs2 Mar 26, 2010 7:32 am

The problem with unionizing the TSA is that doing so requires the TSA to exist.

Boggie Dog Mar 26, 2010 7:40 am


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 13651806)
I generally oppose unions, typically they cause far more problems than they are worth. Unionizing the TSA would be an error in my opinion. Not because of less accountability but because of the need for the TSA to be able to adjust to circumstances. Terrorists are becoming more sneaky, and TSA needs to be able to adjust their procedures with little or no notice to meet whatever threat our (The USA’s) intelligence agencies find. Can’t do that if you have to confer with union heads (civilians) before changes can be made.

There are several Unions competing for the TSA’s workforce. AFGE and another large union (cant remember the name), plus a few smaller ones. I suppose the competition is a good thing, but that does not tell me what they offer that would make them worth the problems they would cause.

Ron while I generally agree with you on this point I think you need to realize that the whole of TSA is a civilian agency. So that would be civilians conferring with civilians.

The unions are competing for TSA for one simple reason, whoever gets TSA should it happen will make lots of money in union dues.

That is the motivation of the unions.

cordelli Mar 26, 2010 8:06 am

I don't really see it mattering one way or the other, but the argument that any agency that is unionized could not respond quickly is shot down pretty much every day when a police department or other law enforcement agency that is unionized has to implement changes quickly based on the situtation.

The NYPD for example is not less responsive when immediate procedural changes are needed while they wait for a union vote.

The only group that would benefit from it would probably be the union they went with if it were to happen, unions need a huge influx of dues, and getting 40,000 new members would most certainly help. Not sure the individual workers would get anything more then another payroll deduction.

LostSoul Mar 26, 2010 8:28 am


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 13652209)
I'm hoping for a good ol' strike or two which would cripple air travel and place the blame squarely on the TSA.

On the other hand maybe if the TSA goes on strike and planes don't start falling out of the sky people will start to notice how completely useless an agency it is.


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