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-   -   Unionizing the TSA? (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/practical-travel-safety-security-issues/1067365-unionizing-tsa.html)

IslandBased Mar 31, 2010 5:39 am
Originally Posted by halls120 (Post 13680541)
What we will get is even less efficiency and more laziness.
And more morbidly obese TSOs. :td:

N965VJ Mar 31, 2010 8:58 am
Originally Posted by Firebug4 (Post 13680504)
Something to consider, a unionized TSA MAY and I stress MAY go a long way to achieve what many here seem to desire. With the union comes standardization of how things are done in order to ensure each employee gets treated equally.
That’s only going to come from effective leadership. The only thing a union is going to do is lighten a TSO’s paycheck.

coachrowsey Mar 31, 2010 9:49 am
Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 13683504)
That’s only going to come from effective leadership. The only thing a union is going to do is lighten a TSO’s paycheck.
Excellent point.

secretbunnyboy Mar 31, 2010 6:27 pm
Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 13683504)
The only thing a union is going to do is lighten a TSO’s paycheck.
Then you have nothing to worry about - if a union isn't going to offer anything to its prospective membership, they won't adopt it.

TSORon Apr 1, 2010 4:31 am
Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 13662041)
Nope. Ron made the assertion that the vast majority of Americans agreed with him rather than you. I asked Ron for the citation to back up his claim.
"But it also found that 53% of air travelers think TSA does a "very" or "somewhat" good job."

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...a-survey_N.htm

Now naturally we all know that USAToday is an extremely liberal publication, much the most liberal daily in our country, and of course the TSA is an invention of a conservative administration. Given those two things I am impressed that USAToday actually could bring themselves to admit such a thing.

jkhuggins Apr 1, 2010 5:21 am
Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 13689634)
"But it also found that 53% of air travelers think TSA does a "very" or "somewhat" good job."

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...a-survey_N.htm
53% is hardly a "vast majority", as you claimed.

IslandBased Apr 1, 2010 5:38 am
Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 13689746)
53% is hardly a "vast majority", as you claimed.
I wonder what percentage of that 53% have gone through airport security. Could it be that 53% of the non-flying public supports TSA?

secretbunnyboy Apr 1, 2010 5:46 am
Originally Posted by IslandBased (Post 13689785)
I wonder what percentage of that 53% have gone through airport security. Could it be that 53% of the non-traveling public supports TSA?
Well, as the survey group was "air travelers", I would assume that something close but not equal to 100% went through airport security.

IslandBased Apr 1, 2010 6:08 am
Originally Posted by secretbunnyboy (Post 13689812)
Well, as the survey group was "air travelers", I would assume that something close but not equal to 100% went through airport security.
I wonder what percentage thinks that TSA does a great or wonderful job?

I'd phrase the question differently-

"If TSA didn't exist, do you think that you would be alive today?" :p

LuvAirFrance Apr 1, 2010 7:13 am
Of course we would. TSA probably has some effect. But without it, there still would be minimal threat of mass murder.

halls120 Apr 1, 2010 9:46 am
Originally Posted by LuvAirFrance (Post 13690202)
Of course we would. TSA probably has some effect. But without it, there still would be minimal threat of mass murder.
We could go back to contract screening tomorrow, and suffer no degredation to aviation security.

N965VJ Apr 1, 2010 9:53 am
Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 13689634)
"But it also found that 53% of air travelers think TSA does a "very" or "somewhat" good job."
If a private sector business that served the public had a 53% approval rating, they would not be around very long.

Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 13689634)
and of course the TSA is an invention of a conservative administration.
Tom Daschle will be surprised that you’ve made him a conservative.

TSORon Apr 1, 2010 11:38 am
Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 13691153)
If a private sector business that served the public had a 53% approval rating, they would not be around very long.



Tom Daschle will be surprised that you’ve made him a conservative.
Tom Daschle was not a member of the Bush administration. You would not have missed that had you actually read what I wrote instead of jumping to an inappropriate and inaccurate conclusion.

N965VJ Apr 1, 2010 12:21 pm
Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 13691825)
Tom Daschle was not a member of the Bush administration. You would not have missed that had you actually read what I wrote instead of jumping to an inappropriate and inaccurate conclusion.
Originally Posted by Tom Daschle
You can't professionalize unless you federalize.
Sometimes I feel sorry for politicians that don’t enough credit for the things they do. Have you sent Daschle a thank-you note for getting you your job? :p

LuvAirFrance Apr 1, 2010 7:57 pm
Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 13691153)
Tom Daschle will be surprised that you’ve made him a conservative.
When Bush was waving the bloody shirt, most liberals suddenly started trying to sound conservative. Hell, I had arguments with Quakers who were suddenly staunch supporters of Bush's plans. I felt I'd wandered onto the set of a remake of the Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Or maybe like a sane German in 1933.


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