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Superguy Feb 16, 2010 3:20 pm


Originally Posted by Yaatri (Post 13396728)
Fearmongering politicians could not succeed without willing coopertion from the people, such as voters, or TSA and DHS employees.

Unfortunately, a lot of sheeple didn't get what the article was and bagged on Newsweek as not getting it.

I'm not a big fan of Newsweek because of their slant on a lot of issues, but they got this one right.

n4zhg Feb 16, 2010 4:53 pm


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 13398069)
Happened to my friend's elderly disabled dad at LAX. The idiot TSA-droids shouted at his wife when she tried to catch him as he fell. The entire extended family has vowed never to visit the US again. Great job, TSA! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

This is why Rio got the Olympics and Chicago got the finger. :td:

Global_Hi_Flyer Feb 16, 2010 5:32 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 13400764)
And how many times has the request for rules been made on PV only to be met with silence?

How can anyone comply with any rule or law without knowing what they must do to comply.

TSA clearly puts people in a true Catch 22.

Reminds me of Double Secret Probation....

n4zhg Feb 16, 2010 5:55 pm

TSA issues lame apology
 
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...70ObwD9DTHCLG1

jkhuggins Feb 16, 2010 6:41 pm

What's "lame" about the apology? The article doesn't attempt to explain away anything the TSO did, or cast any doubt on the passenger's story.

FliesWay2Much Feb 16, 2010 7:46 pm

Wow -- While driving home tonight and radio channel surfing, I came upon the ultimate pit bull, Michael Savage. He was lambasting the TSA up one side and down the other over this incident and asked why the screener and supervisor weren't fired.

To paraphrase a former president, "When I've lost Michael Savage, I've lost the TSA."

studentff Feb 16, 2010 8:01 pm


Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 13403579)
What's "lame" about the apology? The article doesn't attempt to explain away anything the TSO did, or cast any doubt on the passenger's story.

A decent apology would explain in detail the action TSA is taking to prevent further such occurrences, would state that the offending screener, his supervisor, and his supervisor had personally apologized to the family, and would state that the offending screener (and perhaps supervisor) had been fired.

A "real" apology would also name the offending terminated screener. TSA has no problem naming passengers that get into altercations at checkpoints; they should hold their employees to the same standard.

jkhuggins Feb 16, 2010 8:14 pm


Originally Posted by studentff (Post 13404046)
A decent apology would explain in detail the action TSA is taking to prevent further such occurrences, would state that the offending screener, his supervisor, and his supervisor had personally apologized to the family, and would state that the offending screener (and perhaps supervisor) had been fired.

Those would make the apology better. But in an era of "non-apology apologies" by many, including the TSA, this one was better than many. I might not call it "decent", but I wouldn't necessarily call it "lame" either.

Boggie Dog Feb 16, 2010 8:17 pm


Originally Posted by studentff (Post 13404046)
A decent apology would explain in detail the action TSA is taking to prevent further such occurrences, would state that the offending screener, his supervisor, and his supervisor had personally apologized to the family, and would state that the offending screener (and perhaps supervisor) had been fired.

A "real" apology would also name the offending terminated screener. TSA has no problem naming passengers that get into altercations at checkpoints; they should hold their employees to the same standard.

^^Exact and to the point.

TSA employees have to be held accountable for their actions.

FliesFromCanada Feb 18, 2010 9:04 am

The Newsweek article hits the nail on the head. Only one problem: what the administration claims they're doing (making Americans more resilient and less fearful) and what they've actually been doing since Christmas (adding WBIs, drink testing, hand swabbing) don't mesh.

oldjonesy Feb 18, 2010 5:16 pm


Originally Posted by senseker (Post 13393646)
Nowhere in our SOP does it say that we are allowed to tell a passenger that he/she must remove a medical device. Sure, we can ask someone if they can remove their medical device, but if they can't, we cannot force them to it off.

Sounds like this screener was either new, lazy, our really stupid.

"Yea sir, I'm going to need you to remove that arm of yours".

LOL

Not only was the screener stupid/incompetent/new/lazy but also the screeners supervisor was stupid/incompetent/new/lazy.

Whats the odds?

n4zhg Feb 18, 2010 5:20 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 13404120)
TSA employees have to be held accountable for their actions.

Looking forward to the erection of stocks at the front entrance of every airport for just that purpose.

Global_Hi_Flyer Feb 18, 2010 5:21 pm


Originally Posted by n4zhg (Post 13417292)
Looking forward to the erection of stocks at the front entrance of every airport for just that purpose.

Hopefully with a webcam ^

n4zhg Feb 18, 2010 5:26 pm


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 13417298)
Hopefully with a webcam ^

And a vendor of rotten fruits and vegetables nearby.

We Will Never Forget Feb 18, 2010 5:43 pm


Originally Posted by Yaatri (Post 13396000)
One third are lazy, one third are stupid, one third are jerks, one third are bigots, one third are thieves, some are pedophiles and yet some others sex offenders. ;)

Assuming your groups are mutually exclusive, your math is off. :D


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