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birdstrike Feb 15, 2010 5:53 pm

Newsweek:

Terror Begins at Home


Fearmongering politicians are scoring cheap political points at the expense of the American people.

Yaatri Feb 15, 2010 7:40 pm


Originally Posted by birdstrike (Post 13396202)

Fearmongering politicians could not succeed without willing coopertion from the people, such as voters, or TSA and DHS employees.

fs2k2isfun Feb 15, 2010 8:07 pm

The leg braces story just made Drudge Report. Good to be getting some more exposure for these TSA atrocities.

Boggie Dog Feb 15, 2010 8:16 pm


Originally Posted by n4zhg (Post 13395424)
I wonder how long it will be before Blogdad Bob comes up with a puppy post?

I think Blogdad bob is quickly losing interest in the TSA Blog.

It has turned into nothing but damage control daily.

Fredd Feb 15, 2010 8:28 pm


Originally Posted by fs2k2isfun (Post 13396853)
The leg braces story just made Drudge Report. Good to be getting some more exposure for these TSA atrocities.

That's where I spotted it as well. I remember a few years ago watching a TSA screener urging an elderly man up out of his wheelchair. "Can you take a few steps toward me?" It looked like nothing less than a government-run revival meeting or "The Lourdes Checkpoint." :p :mad:

AngryMiller Feb 15, 2010 8:53 pm


Originally Posted by Fredd (Post 13396969)
That's where I spotted it as well. I remember a few years ago watching a TSA screener urging an elderly man up out of his wheelchair. "Can you take a few steps toward me?" It looked like nothing less than a government-run revival meeting or "The Lourdes Checkpoint." :p :mad:

Wonder when in an effort to get security at any cost they wind up killing someone with their harebrained stunts. Is the death of a passenger a high enough cost to satisfy them? I doubt it.

AngryMiller Feb 15, 2010 9:13 pm


Originally Posted by senseker (Post 13393646)
Nowhere in our SOP does it say that we are allowed to tell a passenger that he/she must remove a medical device. Sure, we can ask someone if they can remove their medical device, but if they can't, we cannot force them to it off.

Sounds like this screener was either new, lazy, our really stupid.

"Yea sir, I'm going to need you to remove that arm of yours".

LOL

Both an old guy and a young girl (amputees) had their artificial limbs removed at a checkpoint by your cow-orkers. Both people lost their pants in the process. "DO YOU WANT TO FLY TODAY?" If so then comply. Your agency is a rolling train wreck that needs adult supervision in order to rein in those that act out of revenge/stupidity/ignorance.

As a frequent flier, I get really tired of going to checkpoints and dealing with TSOs who have less knowledge of the SOP than do I, who has never seen it.

N965VJ Feb 15, 2010 9:33 pm


Originally Posted by AngryMiller (Post 13397184)
As a frequent flier, I get really tired of going to checkpoints and dealing with TSOs who have less knowledge of the SOP than do I, who has never seen it.

Well, with the high TSA turnover rate and everything it takes a while for the new guys to come up to speed.

RoyalFlush Feb 15, 2010 9:56 pm

Wonder why it took so long to hit the media?

Reminds me of a time in 2005 when HOU TSA made me put through my cane (I no longer walk with a cane). But I was stumbling without one at the time. Thank G-d I did not fall as I'm missing 2" of my skull.

This is BS from the TSA. Will BB respond? Doubtful.

I hope GMA, etc picks up on this.

(I'll Tweet this story with hashtag #TSAfail - please do the same)

n4zhg Feb 16, 2010 1:02 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 13396903)
I think Blogdad bob is quickly losing interest in the TSA Blog.

It has turned into nothing but damage control daily.

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. :D

RadioGirl Feb 16, 2010 1:41 am


Originally Posted by Fredd (Post 13396969)
I remember a few years ago watching a TSA screener urging an elderly man up out of his wheelchair. "Can you take a few steps toward me?" It looked like nothing less than a government-run revival meeting or "The Lourdes Checkpoint." :p :mad:

Happened to my friend's elderly disabled dad at LAX. The idiot TSA-droids shouted at his wife when she tried to catch him as he fell. The entire extended family has vowed never to visit the US again. Great job, TSA! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

bdschobel Feb 16, 2010 5:26 am


Originally Posted by birdstrike (Post 13396202)

Here's my favorite part:

Originally Posted by Excerpt
The next time a prophet of doom warns of impending disaster, think how our behavior compares with that of other countries that have been attacked since 9/11. After the 7/7 attack on the London Underground, which killed 52 people, Londoners, recalling their pluck during the Blitz, gamely showed up en masse the next morning for their daily commute. The Israelis make a point of rebuilding blown-up cafés in a matter of days after an attack; similarly, they return to targeted bus lines the day after a bombing. The message is clear: we're not going to let terrorists break our spirit. Had America rebuilt the Twin Towers in the first years after 9/11, they would be standing tall today as symbols of defiance. Instead, when I drive by Ground Zero, still a gaping pit, I wonder how we would react if New York were hit again.

That's exactly how I feel, too. Of course, the U.S. is a nation of cowards and idiots -- and Israel certainly is not. (I'm wondering about the U.K.)

Bruce

tev9999 Feb 16, 2010 6:22 am

Picked up by Fox News. Just heard the teaser going into commercial on Fox and Friends.

pmocek Feb 16, 2010 10:51 am

more harm from TSA's refusal to publish the rules they require people to follow
 

Originally Posted by senseker (Post 13393646)
Nowhere in our SOP does it say that we are allowed to tell a passenger that he/she must remove a medical device. Sure, we can ask someone if they can remove their medical device, but if they can't, we cannot force them to it off.

As long as TSA staff get to determine who travels and who doesn't, and as long as they're allowed to make up rules on-the-fly that are used to determine who gets to fly, they can, in effect, force anyone to do whatever they like.

If your agency would simply publish the rules it requires people to follow, we could all ensure that we're in compliance with those rules and be allowed to go on about our lawful business without interference from our government.

Boggie Dog Feb 16, 2010 11:45 am


Originally Posted by pmocek (Post 13400336)
As long as TSA staff get to determine who travels and who doesn't, and as long as they're allowed to make up rules on-the-fly that are used to determine who gets to fly, they can, in effect, force anyone to do whatever they like.

If your agency would simply publish the rules it requires people to follow, we could all ensure that we're in compliance with those rules and be allowed to go on about our lawful business without interference from our government.

And how many times has the request for rules been made on PV only to be met with silence?

How can anyone comply with any rule or law without knowing what they must do to comply.

TSA clearly puts people in a true Catch 22.


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