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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 7:33 pm
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Crowd sourced security.

How is this for an idea?

Cover the TSA checkpoints with CCTV, likewise all the baggage areas and aircraft holds.

Record the video, but also make them webcams.

Certainly there are enough people out there who will skive off work to watch them.

Just the knowledge that their actions may be viewed in real time may cut down on TSA abuse and employee theft. . .
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 7:38 pm
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Originally Posted by birdstrike
How is this for an idea?

Cover the TSA checkpoints with CCTV, likewise all the baggage areas and aircraft holds.

Record the video, but also make them webcams.

Certainly there are enough people out there who will skive off work to watch them.

Just the knowledge that their actions may be viewed in real time may cut down on TSA abuse and employee theft. . .
The reason that wouldn't work is b/c terrorist groups can ascertain the videos and then learn the way we work a lot easier. Might as well just give Al Quaida our playbook.
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 7:50 pm
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The reason that wouldn't work is b/c terrorist groups can ascertain the videos and then learn the way we work a lot easier. Might as well just give Al Quaida our playbook.
I thought we had ascertained that you don't have a "playbook", in the normal use of that term.

The terrorists already know they can walk through the checkpoint almost at will. It's the the public that needs protecting at this point in time.
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 8:10 pm
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The reason that wouldn't work is b/c terrorist groups can ascertain the videos and then learn the way we work a lot easier. Might as well just give Al Quaida our playbook.
Besides that, someone might see me pick my nose...
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 8:16 pm
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Originally Posted by birdstrike
I thought we had ascertained that you don't have a "playbook", in the normal use of that term.

The terrorists already know they can walk through the checkpoint almost at will. It's the the public that needs protecting at this point in time.
You're right. Bad choice of word, I guess. Bascially, our procedures.
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 8:23 pm
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Originally Posted by senseker
Might as well just give Al Quaida our playbook.
Yes that has never happened
SOP discussion
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 8:26 pm
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Yes that has never happened
SOP discussion
Yea, some idiots leaked an old version of our sop. Doesn't mean things haven't changed since then.
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 8:40 pm
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Yea, some idiots leaked an old version of our sop. Doesn't mean things haven't changed since then.
Like a landed fish.

Open source security, including public verification of compliance (TSO compliance, that is), would do far more for security than any SSI you can imagine.

Implement this and I'll go though a WBI every time SATTSO is caught picking his nose
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 8:57 pm
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In a tour of TSA's baggage inspection area at CVG a couple years ago, we had to leave the area when they needed to open up a suitcase, claiming the customer's privacy would be violated if we all watched.

Maybe so -- but I'd also push to have the suitcase inspected, if necessary, right in front of you when drop it off. Then it can be relocked, and all the webcams in the world are welcome to watch it.
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 9:34 pm
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The reason that wouldn't work is b/c terrorist groups can ascertain the videos and then learn the way we work a lot easier.
What would be the reason why a group of determined terrorists couldn't just buy a Starbucks Grande Mocha and sit near the security moat and observe and take notes to learn the way you work?
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 9:37 pm
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What would be the reason why a group of determined terrorists couldn't just buy a Starbucks Grande Mocha and sit near the security moat and observe and take notes to learn the way you work?
Yea, I guess we might as well not let anybody come to the airport except those who fly.
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Yea, I guess we might as well not let anybody come to the airport except those who fly.
I am quite confident the TSA has considered that option.
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 10:00 pm
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The reason that wouldn't work is b/c terrorist groups can ascertain the videos and then learn the way we work a lot easier. Might as well just give Al Quaida our playbook.
Surely you seriously don't believe that do you?
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 10:03 pm
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Surely you seriously don't believe that do you?
Meh, probably not, but that's probably the reason why. I'm just theorizing.
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 10:14 pm
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Meh, probably not, but that's probably the reason why. I'm just theorizing.
Why not? That is what Gale Rossides is doing. You should ask why her pay is so much higher than yours since you are reaching the same conclusions. @:-) Seriously. Every line screener (excepting TSORon and BloggerBob) has a handle on the reality of screening today. Even BloggerBob probably understands that the public is being ripped off and denied actual security, but he is being paid to be a mouthpiece.
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