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IslandBased Jan 1, 2010 6:24 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 13093880)
That is the first time I ever heard that version of the origin of redneck.

The miners involved were mostly of Scottish and Irish descent. The term was used in a derogatory way in an attempt to undermine their struggle.

Just so you know, TK. ;) In that context, you are aligning yourself with some very determined folks.

Trollkiller Jan 1, 2010 7:23 pm


Originally Posted by IslandBased (Post 13093916)
The miners involved were mostly of Scottish and Irish descent. The term was used in a derogatory way in an attempt to undermine their struggle.

Just so you know, TK. ;) In that context, you are aligning yourself with some very determined folks.

Oh great now I will be associated with another DHS designated "low level" terrorist group. It was bad enough when I was just a conservative that is against abortion and believes in State's rights.

On a lighter note, the document is still on the server for all the world to see. I guess they figured out that a knee-jerk reaction leads to a world of hurt.

svenskaflicka Jan 1, 2010 8:01 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 13094173)
Oh great now I will be associated with another DHS designated "low level" terrorist group. It was bad enough when I was just a conservative that is against abortion and believes in State's rights.

On a lighter note, the document is still on the server for all the world to see. I guess they figured out that a knee-jerk reaction leads to a world of hurt.

I think we ought to set up a forum for donations to get red-necky Fters out of jail. All of you who fight for justice for the rest of us who travel are owed a million thanks over and over again. Thanks to all the red-necky Fters! :D

Trollkiller Jan 1, 2010 8:38 pm


Originally Posted by svenskaflicka (Post 13094307)
I think we ought to set up a forum for donations to get red-necky Fters out of jail. All of you who fight for justice for the rest of us who travel are owed a million thanks over and over again. Thanks to all the red-necky Fters! :D

That is a good idea. It will need some fleshing out and some safeguards built in.

It could be come part of a Citizens for TSA reform group.

law dawg Jan 2, 2010 8:46 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13092008)
I've put up another post as well and also alerted a few media folks I was in contact with from the last round I was involved in. The hits just keep on coming. In this case the only sliver of hope for the TSA that I can see is that they didn't publish the document so technically it might not be their fault. But the issue is still very real.

It's worse TK. The last one they pawned off as being done by an intern. From my understanding, anything out of the MSPB is supposedly vetted by the SSI officer director within TSA. Can't remember the guy's title, but it's an actual position that directly involves SSI matters. No interns around to blame this time.

willpolice4food Jan 2, 2010 9:42 am


Originally Posted by law dawg (Post 13096258)
It's worse TK. The last one they pawned off as being done by an intern. From my understanding, anything out of the MSPB is supposedly vetted by the SSI officer director within TSA. Can't remember the guy's title, but it's an actual position that directly involves SSI matters. No interns around to blame this time.

The TSA Office of SSI reviews MSPB decisions of TSA employees BEFORE the MSPB posts them:


And in an ironic twist, the [Merit Systems Protection] Board's decision was itself labeled “sensitive security information" and posted on a publicly accessible government website, due to a “computer glitch,” the board says.

"I reviewed the decision before the Board posted the document," said TSA’s [Doug Blair of TSA’s sensitive security information oversight office]. The board decision was posted in the late afternoon on Monday and taken down early on Tuesday morning, said Bungard, the board’s general counsel. "The agency marks documents with the label 'sensitive security information' if there is a possibility it contains SSI," said [Chad Bungard, the Merit Systems Protection Board general counsel].
http://www.publicintegrity.org/blog/entry/1523/

As of May 11, 2009, Andrew Colsky is the TSA Director of SSI:


"We are very proud to have certified 76 people this week, and we have confidence in all of our certified SSI personnel and their abilities to properly handle the SSI issues that so frequently present themselves in the field," said Andrew Colsky, Director of the SSI Office.
http://www.tsa.gov/weekly/051109.shtm

Trollkiller Jan 2, 2010 9:45 am


Originally Posted by law dawg (Post 13096258)
It's worse TK. The last one they pawned off as being done by an intern. From my understanding, anything out of the MSPB is supposedly vetted by the SSI officer director within TSA. Can't remember the guy's title, but it's an actual position that directly involves SSI matters. No interns around to blame this time.

They seem to be taking a more chilled approach to this damning leak. As of an hour ago the document was still in the wild.

willpolice4food Jan 2, 2010 11:46 am


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 13096574)
They seem to be taking a more chilled approach to this damning leak. As of an hour ago the document was still in the wild.

Just removed:

http://www.mspb.gov/netsearch/viewdocs.aspx?docnumber=415916&version=416870&appl ication=ACROBAT

Olton Hall Jan 2, 2010 11:58 am


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 13096574)
They seem to be taking a more chilled approach to this damning leak. As of an hour ago the document was still in the wild.


Originally Posted by willpolice4food (Post 13097214)

Took their sweet time. I guess no one was minding the store at DHS/TSA over the New Year's holiday as personal vacations are more important than national security. ;) :rolleyes: At least we have determined which they consider to be a higher priority.

Trollkiller Jan 2, 2010 12:04 pm


Originally Posted by Olton Hall (Post 13097276)
Took their sweet time. I guess no one was minding the store at DHS/TSA over the New Year's holiday as personal vacations are more important than national security. ;) :rolleyes: At least we have determined which they consider to be a higher priority.

I know Blogger Bob was alerted, it must be frustrating for him to get this news and have others sit on it.

Take heart the document still reside on Trollkiller's World and Cryptome.

oldjonesy Jan 2, 2010 3:28 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 13089794)
You remind me of the little boy with a magnifying glass zapping ants.

Reminds me of the puppet master pulling on the strings and making them dance.

oldjonesy Jan 2, 2010 3:41 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 13092280)
I have already briefed my wife and children on the proper response. The children have been instructed to say nothing other than "I will get Dad" and they have been instructed to come inside and shut the door behind them.

I have also instructed them that if the agent persists in asking questions the response is to be "I require a lawyer to be present at questioning".

I got my daughter a camera for Christmas, she has been instructed to take as many photos as possible. I have also instructed her on how to react if the agent tries to seize the camera.

Like I said, I am feeling all Rednecky today.

HAHA

I can confidently predict you will NEVER get a visit. They wouldn't have the balls

:)

willpolice4food Jan 2, 2010 4:45 pm

ALL MSPB decisions on TSA employees were removed from MSPB.gov:

http://www.mspb.gov/sites/mspb/pages...Decisions.aspx

Trollkiller Jan 2, 2010 4:49 pm


Originally Posted by willpolice4food (Post 13098662)
ALL MSPB decisions on TSA employees were removed from MSPB.gov:

http://www.mspb.gov/sites/mspb/pages...Decisions.aspx

They are still there, do a search on "TSA".

willpolice4food Jan 2, 2010 4:58 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 13098681)
They are still there, do a search on "TSA".

You're right, but I tried earlier and it did not work. As far as I can tell, the June 22, 2009 decision on the Maclean v. DHS SSI case is gone.

A search on "SSI" and "Sensitive Security Information" yields nothing.


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