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jkhuggins Nov 5, 2009 7:23 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12775648)
Actually, I am out to get you. Personally. It's true.. ;)

See? I knew it! ;)


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12775648)
I understand what you mean, but I was asking specifically about powdered donuts, the most dangerous donut of them all.

See, you're trying to use a logical argument here.

Why are knives of any length prohibited by TSA, but scissors under 4 inches (which could easily be converted into knives by popping the hinge) permitted? Heck, why are knives prohibited by TSA when there are plenty of knives already on-board the aircraft in the food service area? Why are flight attendants trusted to bring in big bottles of water when on duty but not when off-duty? Why are knitting needles permitted but ice picks prohibited? Why are drill bits prohibited but short screwdrivers permitted?

So ... in the face of those contradictions, is it that unreasonable to wonder if plain donuts and powdered donuts will be treated differently?

Boggie Dog Nov 5, 2009 8:28 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12775648)
Actually, I am out to get you. Personally. It's true.. ;)

I understand what you mean, but I was asking specifically about powdered donuts, the most dangerous donut of them all.


The items I listed are just as dangerous as the powdered donut.

RadioGirl Nov 5, 2009 8:41 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 12776131)
The items I listed are just as dangerous as the powdered donut.

From a health point-of-view, several of them (water, milk, orange juice, maybe coffee and soup) are less dangerous than a powdered donut. ;)

SATTSO Nov 5, 2009 9:04 pm


Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 12775842)
See? I knew it! ;)



See, you're trying to use a logical argument here.

Why are knives of any length prohibited by TSA, but scissors under 4 inches (which could easily be converted into knives by popping the hinge) permitted? Heck, why are knives prohibited by TSA when there are plenty of knives already on-board the aircraft in the food service area? Why are flight attendants trusted to bring in big bottles of water when on duty but not when off-duty? Why are knitting needles permitted but ice picks prohibited? Why are drill bits prohibited but short screwdrivers permitted?

So ... in the face of those contradictions, is it that unreasonable to wonder if plain donuts and powdered donuts will be treated differently?

I agree with most of what you said. Scissors should not be allowed, nor nitting needles.

As to flight crew, thats a more touchy subject. I know when I travel I have to be screened just like anyone else - unless I am travelling in uniform and on the clock. I have travelled for TSA, but in my regular clothes (out of uniform) and have to have the same rules. Same rule seems to apply to flight crew. Why? Dunno.

I agree with the drill regulation, and actually no part of a drill can go through the checkpoint, not just the bits. I agree with this completely.

On another note entirely, this reminds me of something. I had to "argue" (no I did not yell or curse) with a passenger once who wanted to bring his chain saw as carry on luggage. It was an electirc powered, he argued, "see, here is the battery, so threre is no gas it doesn't violate the liquids rule". "So what your saying, sir, is you can snap in that batter and turn on the chain saw in mid-flight?" "Yes," he replied, and didn't understand why I wouldn't let it through. I am not kidding, actually ended up having to goto a LEO to tell him to check in in checked luggage....


But your dangerous powdered donuts are ok! Even better if you give me one when you go through. Remember, I can be bought, and yes, that cheaply.


I have a question, can anyone post what solid foods they were not allowed to bring through? Not saying it hasn't happened, just curious.

mgilmer Nov 5, 2009 9:48 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12774378)
I think the policy for donuts, cakes and such is the TSO should have to take a bite from each one just to be sure.... ;)

I know you are joking, but I wish you weren't. I would love to bring through a box of chocolate (X-Lax) filled donuts for TSA tasting.

SATTSO Nov 5, 2009 10:00 pm


Originally Posted by mgilmer (Post 12776373)
I know you are joking, but I wish you weren't. I would love to bring through a box of chocolate (X-Lax) filled donuts for TSA tasting.

Lol you can actually bring "gifts" for the TSOs, if you like. There is a man who flies out of SAT all the time, we all know him by name, he knows us. Each Christmas he brings goodies for the TSO. And yes, he still gets the same screening everyone else does.

So bring you x-lax filled donuts!

This reminds me of an episode of the simpsons, mr. Burns watching homer eating the donuts by security camera, and he says, "he's getting closer to the poisoned donut! There is a poisoned donut, isn't there smithers?" Mr. Smithers say, "Our lawyers said that's technically murder, sir." Mr. Burns yells, "dang it!".

N830MH Nov 5, 2009 10:17 pm


Originally Posted by mgilmer (Post 12776373)
I know you are joking, but I wish you weren't. I would love to bring through a box of chocolate (X-Lax) filled donuts for TSA tasting.

Are you saying about donuts is not okay go through at security without any incident. You should have to purchase in the sterile areas. You don't have to pay it again. I think that I will should have to talks with my friends who work for TSA. I will try to have more info about donuts. I don't see any evidence the donuts does not have any prohibited.

DRZ Nov 5, 2009 10:57 pm

If many terrorists, in concert, each brought a jelly-filled doughnut through the checkpoint the contents of each doughnut could be combined, with one shoe, to create a very powerful sugar-fueled anomaly that would surely bring down even the most powerful aircraft that would probably be full of nuns and children.

Two dozen of such doughnuts would absolutely be forbidden.

n4zhg Nov 6, 2009 5:26 am


Originally Posted by mgilmer (Post 12776373)
I know you are joking, but I wish you weren't. I would love to bring through a box of chocolate (X-Lax) filled donuts for TSA tasting.

Back during WW2 in the crypto and translation offices the security guards went through worker's bag lunches, no gloves and they didn't bother washing their hands.

Not that this excuses TSA for jack.

ND Sol Nov 6, 2009 5:27 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12776236)
I agree with most of what you said. Scissors should not be allowed, nor nitting needles.

I agree with the drill regulation, and actually no part of a drill can go through the checkpoint, not just the bits. I agree with this completely.

I think that you have it backwards. Scissors, knitting needles, drills, etc. are not going to take down airplanes or be successful in hijacking them (unless you are MacGyver). The prohibited list should be leaner so that you won't have to be looking for items that while may be "dangerous" (such as my pen ;)), aren't that risky to allow on board. As such, you can then concentrate on looking for the items that do matter - guns and explosives, so that you will be less likely to miss them.

jkhuggins Nov 6, 2009 6:34 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12776236)
I agree with the drill regulation, and actually no part of a drill can go through the checkpoint, not just the bits. I agree with this completely.

Getting off track here, but ... I have some extremely small screwdrivers (think: small enough to repair the screws in my eyeglasses) which, frankly, aren't much different from a drill bit. If drill bits could be used as weapons, so could small screwdrivers.

But this is about donuts, right? Back to the main story ...


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12776236)
But your dangerous powdered donuts are ok! Even better if you give me one when you go through. Remember, I can be bought, and yes, that cheaply.

Please, please, please don't even joke about things like that. Admitting that you can be bribed, even in jest, will cause you nothing but trouble. (Speaking as someone in a customer service role, I understand this all too well ...)

AngryMiller Nov 7, 2009 2:55 pm


Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 12777645)
Getting off track here, but ... I have some extremely small screwdrivers (think: small enough to repair the screws in my eyeglasses) which, frankly, aren't much different from a drill bit. If drill bits could be used as weapons, so could small screwdrivers.

Don't worry about that. I travel with a little tool kit in the laptop bag and have done so for a couple years. Things to watch out for are tools approaching 7 inches in length, cutting tools, hammers, etc.


Please, please, please don't even joke about things like that. Admitting that you can be bribed, even in jest, will cause you nothing but trouble. (Speaking as someone in a customer service role, I understand this all too well ...)
Joking about being 'for sale' while in a customer service role is sort of like joking about hijacking aircraft at an airport. Not funny. Nope not funny in the least bit.

About the donuts though, do you suppose if you were to take several out of the box to roll them across the floor that someone would be willing to take a flying leap at a rolling donut?

ladyredsox45 Nov 7, 2009 3:32 pm

:D You've mentioned Voodoo and that icon of the south Krispy Kreme but y'all are forgetting one thing. America runs on Dunkin'!


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