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NewbieRunner May 19, 2016 9:48 am


Originally Posted by in2it54 (Post 26649849)
Now reports of wreckage and deceased.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...g-live-8003059

A sensational headline indeed! Although the Mirror's headline mentions 'bodies' the actual article goes on to say as quoted by neilah:


Originally Posted by neilah (Post 26650057)
"Airplane lifejackets have been found by search teams looking for the missing Egyptair flight, report Reuters.

The vests were discovered in the southern Mediterranean by Greek authorities searching for flight MS804 which disappeared this morning, according to Greek state TV.

Earlier, Greek officials said pieces of plastic were found in the sea some 230 miles south of the island of Crete, and two lifevests which appeared to be from an aircraft."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...g-live-8003059

Reuters which is supposed to be the source of the news reported by the Mirror is even more cautious:


Greek state television said aircraft debris had been found in the sea during a search for the missing Airbus A320. Earlier, Greek officials said pieces of plastic and two lifevests were found floating some 230 miles south of Crete.
Lifejackets are not bodies and pieces of plastic in the sea are not necessarily aircraft debris or from the EgyptAir aircraft.


Moderator note:

Please read the article before posting a headline and decide whether the headline accurately reflects the content. There is no mention of 'deceased' or 'bodies' in the actual Mirror article. Please do not make a headline any more sensational than it already is. When discussing this tragedy please bear in mind that these matters are always personal and should be treated with respect.

NewbieRunner May 19, 2016 10:05 am

Moderator Note

For those who are eligible there is a thread in OMNI/PR if anyone wishes to speculate possible links with any terrorist group.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/omni-...s-missing.html

SFWanderer May 19, 2016 10:34 am

Aircraft swapped at the last minute?!
 
It's beyond suspect that it consistently flew 738's but this day it was swapped for the A320 at the last minute.

jasonpbyu May 19, 2016 10:40 am

CNN breaking news alert on phone says that Egypt Air vice president just told the press "We have found the wreckage"

Email just received from CNN...

“We have found the wreckage,” EgyptAir vice president tells CNN’s Christiane Amanpour about Flight 804.

milepig May 19, 2016 11:16 am


Originally Posted by SFWanderer (Post 26650637)
It's beyond suspect that it consistently flew 738's but this day it was swapped for the A320 at the last minute.

If I'm tracking back correctly, this was a swap that happened prior to the incoming Cairo/Paris flight (803) and the swap occurred a day before that flight. So, I wouldn't call it "last minute."

NewbieRunner May 19, 2016 11:24 am

MS804 wreckage found near Karpathos Island
 
https://www.facebook.com/EGYPTAIR/

Press Release

EGYPTAIR resource stated that the Egyptian Ministry of Civil Aviation has just received an official letter from the Egyptian Ministry of Foreign Affairs declaring the finding of wreckage of the missing aircraft No. MS 804 near Karpathos Island.

EGYPTAIR sincerely conveys its deepest sorrow to the families and friends of the passengers onboard Flight MS804. Family members of passengers and crew have been already informed and we extend our deepest sympathies to those affected. Meanwhile, the Egyptian Investigation Team in co-operation with the Greek counterpart are still searching for other remains of the missing plane.

Duke787 May 19, 2016 11:46 am


Originally Posted by SFWanderer (Post 26650637)
It's beyond suspect that it consistently flew 738's but this day it was swapped for the A320 at the last minute.


Originally Posted by milepig (Post 26650834)
If I'm tracking back correctly, this was a swap that happened prior to the incoming Cairo/Paris flight (803) and the swap occurred a day before that flight. So, I wouldn't call it "last minute."

I think you are just seeing an inaccurate display in FlightAware (I've seen this reported elsewhere).

Flightradar24 shows that it has been a combination of A320s and A321s along with an A332 on 5/12 so nothing particularly suspect there - I think just inaccuracy on the part of FlightAware. See link:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ms804

NewbieRunner May 19, 2016 12:04 pm

EgyptAir to re-number MS803/804 to MS801/802, effective today (19MAY16)

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/sta...47192228843520

wolvie007 May 19, 2016 12:11 pm

While every airline disaster is a tragedy, this is the first to be personal. A very close colleague of mine lost 4 members of his family in this crash.

May all our prayers be with them.

curt May 19, 2016 12:17 pm


Originally Posted by SFWanderer (Post 26650637)
It's beyond suspect that it consistently flew 738's but this day it was swapped for the A320 at the last minute.

And your point is? :confused::confused::confused:


Originally Posted by kantmakm (Post 26650287)
This is super creepy. It's been 804 days since MH370 went missing.

http://www.timeanddate.com/date/dura...&y2=2016&ti=on

Yeah, Right... :rolleyes: Must be aliens...

MSPeconomist May 19, 2016 12:21 pm

I find it interesting that the last communication from the pilot reported that he was jovial/jocund is thanking the Greek air traffic controllers. Yet SOP was for one more communication as the flight was handed off to the Egyptian air traffic controllers, and the pilots would surely have known that. To me, it would have been more natural to do the effusive thank you at the time of the handoff, not before. It strikes me as strange.

He spoke to them in Greek, which suggests that he was probably of Greek nationality, as I suspect that few people without ties to Greece are fluent in modern Greek.

AFAIK the nationalities of the crew members haven't been released, nor do we know anything about the backgrounds/training/experience of the pilots beyond their hours (and, for the captain, the number of those hours that were in the A320).

BTW, the news media have found a guy who was supposed to be on this flight but changed his ticket. He's speaking English (but with an accent) about how lucky he feels.

CodeAdam10 May 19, 2016 12:26 pm


Originally Posted by wolvie007 (Post 26651138)
While every airline disaster is a tragedy, this is the first to be personal. A very close colleague of mine lost 4 members of his family in this crash.

May all our prayers be with them.

I'm very sorry to hear this.

The_Bouncer May 19, 2016 12:29 pm


Originally Posted by wolvie007 (Post 26651138)
While every airline disaster is a tragedy, this is the first to be personal. A very close colleague of mine lost 4 members of his family in this crash.

May all our prayers be with them.

Sincere condolences to your colleague. A dreadful business indeed, which I'm sure deeply saddens all of the flying community. My though are with the families and friends of our fellow travellers.

GUWonder May 19, 2016 12:34 pm


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 26651182)
I find it interesting that the last communication from the pilot reported that he was jovial/jocund is thanking the Greek air traffic controllers. Yet SOP was for one more communication as the flight was handed off to the Egyptian air traffic controllers, and the pilots would surely have known that. To me, it would have been more natural to do the effusive thank you at the time of the handoff, not before. It strikes me as strange.

He spoke to them in Greek, which suggests that he was probably of Greek nationality, as I suspect that few people without ties to Greece are fluent in modern Greek.

AFAIK the nationalities of the crew members haven't been released, nor do we know anything about the backgrounds/training/experience of the pilots beyond their hours (and, for the captain, the number of those hours that were in the A320).

BTW, the news media have found a guy who was supposed to be on this flight but changed his ticket. He's speaking English (but with an accent) about how lucky he feels.

I know Coptic Egyptians who speak Greek to some conversational degree. And there is also a Greek community of Egyptian citizenship.

The_Bouncer May 19, 2016 12:47 pm


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 26651182)
He spoke to them in Greek, which suggests that he was probably of Greek nationality, as I suspect that few people without ties to Greece are fluent in modern Greek.

Would it not be unusual for them to speak to ATC in any language other than English?


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