Ethiopian fifth freedom flight
#46
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#47
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True. It’s not the nicest place.
That said, I need to get to CPT so had intentionally booked a leisurely connection.
Won’t take much of a delay (ie a bit late out of DUB, lose a little more time on the turn in MAD) to eat into the 70 mins. Then it’s an overnight in ADD
That said, I need to get to CPT so had intentionally booked a leisurely connection.
Won’t take much of a delay (ie a bit late out of DUB, lose a little more time on the turn in MAD) to eat into the 70 mins. Then it’s an overnight in ADD
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#50
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That's probably what they would do IF you missed the flight, but I wouldn't worry too much. They are a well oiled machine with regards to connections to/from the Cape Town flight.
#51
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True. It’s not the nicest place.
That said, I need to get to CPT so had intentionally booked a leisurely connection.
Won’t take much of a delay (ie a bit late out of DUB, lose a little more time on the turn in MAD) to eat into the 70 mins. Then it’s an overnight in ADD
That said, I need to get to CPT so had intentionally booked a leisurely connection.
Won’t take much of a delay (ie a bit late out of DUB, lose a little more time on the turn in MAD) to eat into the 70 mins. Then it’s an overnight in ADD
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So, I am checking flights with ET714 transferring to SK907 which is ADD-ARN-OSL transferring to OSL-EWR. I don't have a schengen visa. I guess it should be fine because I don't even need to deboard the plane at ARN, right?
#55
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If one ticket, then its just an international connection and you will be OK.
If two tickets, then Ethiopian will refuse you to board your flight to Oslo, since they don't care about your plans beyond Oslo (They only take you to Oslo, and so they will need to see your visa/visa free eligibility to enter Norway before letting you board the flight in Addis/wherever you are connecting from)
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Are the two sectors (ADD to OSL and OSL to EWR) on one ticket or two tickets?
If one ticket, then its just an international connection and you will be OK.
If two tickets, then Ethiopian will refuse you to board your flight to Oslo, since they don't care about your plans beyond Oslo (They only take you to Oslo, and so they will need to see your visa/visa free eligibility to enter Norway before letting you board the flight in Addis/wherever you are connecting from)
If one ticket, then its just an international connection and you will be OK.
If two tickets, then Ethiopian will refuse you to board your flight to Oslo, since they don't care about your plans beyond Oslo (They only take you to Oslo, and so they will need to see your visa/visa free eligibility to enter Norway before letting you board the flight in Addis/wherever you are connecting from)
That does assume that you are able to transit in OSL without a visa, which may depend on nationality/citizenship/travel docs. It shouldn't make a difference, but ime it will also be easier if you are ie a US citizen rather than an 'axis-of-evil' passport holder so ET will be fairly confident that you intend to take and will be allowed to board your OSL-EWR flight.
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I respectfully disagree with that - if you have proof of onward travel, and can therefore demonstrate to ET that OSL is only a transit rather than a destination, they will let you on. Make sure that you have some way of proving that onward flight (a hardcopy printout of the ticket is always useful, and if you have a spare that you can leave with them even more so).
That does assume that you are able to transit in OSL without a visa, which may depend on nationality/citizenship/travel docs. It shouldn't make a difference, but ime it will also be easier if you are ie a US citizen rather than an 'axis-of-evil' passport holder so ET will be fairly confident that you intend to take and will be allowed to board your OSL-EWR flight.
That does assume that you are able to transit in OSL without a visa, which may depend on nationality/citizenship/travel docs. It shouldn't make a difference, but ime it will also be easier if you are ie a US citizen rather than an 'axis-of-evil' passport holder so ET will be fairly confident that you intend to take and will be allowed to board your OSL-EWR flight.
Airlines only look at TIMATIC (Visa and entry requirement database) for your travel document, and decide to allow/deny boarding based on this. When I used to hold an African passport, ET would not let me board to transit to another airline in Beijing or Bangkok on my way to my destination in Korea, even after showing them my connection in Beijing & Bangkok. Both times, I had to rebook to the direct ET flight to Singapore and Hong Kong (could enter both visa free) and then sort out my connecting flights separately. Painful experiences, but my ignorance of the rules was inexcusable.
Furthermore, ET will not let anyone transit Toronto if you cannot enter Canada, even if on transit to the US. I cancelled my ticket upon learning of this information. So, I have experience with ET as sticklers to TIMATIC.
Common sense for the airline, since your destination as far as ET is concerned is OSLO, and the airline will get penalized if their passenger is illegally in the destination (if the OP cannot or does not make the onward connection to the USA).
OP can take the risk if they want, but be prepared to be denied boarding, which would be within ET simply following the TIMATIC rules based on the OP's passport. Just advice!
#58
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Well, my ticket is one a single ticket issued by UA. So this shouldn't be an issue. As I understand there are two issues I want to make sure.
1. I don't need to enter schengen on the ARN-OSL part as it is a fifth freedom route.
2. The check in agent is competent enough to check the bag all the way to US.
1. I don't need to enter schengen on the ARN-OSL part as it is a fifth freedom route.
2. The check in agent is competent enough to check the bag all the way to US.
#59
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Well, my ticket is one a single ticket issued by UA. So this shouldn't be an issue. As I understand there are two issues I want to make sure.
1. I don't need to enter schengen on the ARN-OSL part as it is a fifth freedom route.
2. The check in agent is competent enough to check the bag all the way to US.
1. I don't need to enter schengen on the ARN-OSL part as it is a fifth freedom route.
2. The check in agent is competent enough to check the bag all the way to US.
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OK, as you say.
Airlines only look at TIMATIC (Visa and entry requirement database) for your travel document, and decide to allow/deny boarding based on this. When I used to hold an African passport, ET would not let me board to transit to another airline in Beijing or Bangkok on my way to my destination in Korea, even after showing them my connection in Beijing & Bangkok. Both times, I had to rebook to the direct ET flight to Singapore and Hong Kong (could enter both visa free) and then sort out my connecting flights separately. Painful experiences, but my ignorance of the rules was inexcusable.
Furthermore, ET will not let anyone transit Toronto if you cannot enter Canada, even if on transit to the US. I cancelled my ticket upon learning of this information. So, I have experience with ET as sticklers to TIMATIC.
Common sense for the airline, since your destination as far as ET is concerned is OSLO, and the airline will get penalized if their passenger is illegally in the destination (if the OP cannot or does not make the onward connection to the USA).
OP can take the risk if they want, but be prepared to be denied boarding, which would be within ET simply following the TIMATIC rules based on the OP's passport. Just advice!
Airlines only look at TIMATIC (Visa and entry requirement database) for your travel document, and decide to allow/deny boarding based on this. When I used to hold an African passport, ET would not let me board to transit to another airline in Beijing or Bangkok on my way to my destination in Korea, even after showing them my connection in Beijing & Bangkok. Both times, I had to rebook to the direct ET flight to Singapore and Hong Kong (could enter both visa free) and then sort out my connecting flights separately. Painful experiences, but my ignorance of the rules was inexcusable.
Furthermore, ET will not let anyone transit Toronto if you cannot enter Canada, even if on transit to the US. I cancelled my ticket upon learning of this information. So, I have experience with ET as sticklers to TIMATIC.
Common sense for the airline, since your destination as far as ET is concerned is OSLO, and the airline will get penalized if their passenger is illegally in the destination (if the OP cannot or does not make the onward connection to the USA).
OP can take the risk if they want, but be prepared to be denied boarding, which would be within ET simply following the TIMATIC rules based on the OP's passport. Just advice!
In the OP's case, it depends on what their passport is when transiting Norway. It doesn't matter if it is on the same or separate ticket.
For Exmaple from TIMATIC for a South African passport holder:
Transit - Norway (NO)
Visa
Visa required.
TWOV (Transit Without Visa):
Passengers transiting through Oslo Gardermoen (OSL) and arriving from a non-Schengen Member State with a confirmed onward ticket for a flight between 06:00 and 23:00 to a third country which is not a Schengen Member State. They must:
- stay in the international transit area of the airport, and
- have documents required for the next destination.
Visa
Visa required.
TWOV (Transit Without Visa):
Passengers transiting through Oslo Gardermoen (OSL) and arriving from a non-Schengen Member State with a confirmed onward ticket for a flight between 06:00 and 23:00 to a third country which is not a Schengen Member State. They must:
- stay in the international transit area of the airport, and
- have documents required for the next destination.
Transit - Norway (NO)
Admission and Transit Restrictions:
Passengers with a passport or any other travel document issued by Somalia are not allowed to enter and transit.
Visa
Visa required.
Admission and Transit Restrictions:
Passengers with a passport or any other travel document issued by Somalia are not allowed to enter and transit.
Visa
Visa required.