Taiwan and S. Korea restores scheduled regular service
Sep 1, 2004, 1:49 pm
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Taiwan/S.Korea regular svc restored: stiff competition in Taiwan
Taiwan and South Korea finally reached bilateral agreement after 12 year of talks.
Starting immediately, scheduled flights can now be operated between the two countries.
There will be restrictions on Taipei-Seoul only: 18 weekly, max 4500seats/week. Other routes will have unlimited flights and capacity, according to market demand.
Korean Air used to fly 16 weekly to Taipei and Asiana flies 4. China Airlines used to have 14 weekly while EVA has 2-4.
The scheduled service was terminated because Korea cut diplomatic ties with Taiwan. Only foreign carriers can operate schedule service between the two countries.
In late 2002, both sides agreed to go ahead with scheduled charters.
as of 15SEP, all Taiwanese carriers applied for Taiwan-Korea service. 5 Airlines competiting for Kaohsiung-Seoul, which only 2 will win.
Starting immediately, scheduled flights can now be operated between the two countries.
There will be restrictions on Taipei-Seoul only: 18 weekly, max 4500seats/week. Other routes will have unlimited flights and capacity, according to market demand.
Korean Air used to fly 16 weekly to Taipei and Asiana flies 4. China Airlines used to have 14 weekly while EVA has 2-4.
The scheduled service was terminated because Korea cut diplomatic ties with Taiwan. Only foreign carriers can operate schedule service between the two countries.
In late 2002, both sides agreed to go ahead with scheduled charters.
as of 15SEP, all Taiwanese carriers applied for Taiwan-Korea service. 5 Airlines competiting for Kaohsiung-Seoul, which only 2 will win.
Last edited by jimyvr; Sep 14, 2004 at 8:39 pm
Sep 10, 2004, 10:34 pm
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Originally Posted by jiml1126
Korean Air used to fly 16 weekly to Taipei and Asiana flies 4. China Airlines used to have 14 weekly while EVA has 2-4.
Sep 14, 2004, 8:40 pm
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Followed by restoring regular schedule service between Taiwan and South Korea, Taiwan's CAA deadline for Taiwan-Korea route application has ended on 15SEP.
According to the applications, there has been extreme competitions.
Taipei-Seoul, due to restrictions of 4500 seats a week, 18 weekly flights, can be only applied by EVA and China Airlines. The two major carriers are the first choice for capital city flights.
Kaohsiung (Southern Taiwan)-Seoul sees the most extreme competition, all 6 Taiwanese carriers except EVA applied for this route. Only 2 will be awarded.
According to Taiwan's regulation, Capital city flights should award to the major international carriers, or the carriers that has a firm international operation. Only China Airlines and EVA Air fits the requirement. The rest of 4 - Far Eastern Air Transport (FAT), UNI Air (EVA Air subsidiary), Mandarin Airlines (China Airlines subsidiary), Transasia Airways can apply other routes without restrictions.
China Airlines applied: Taipei-Seoul, Kaohsiung-Seoul
EVA Air applied: Taipei-Seoul, other routes under evaluation
FAT applied: Taipei-Jeju daily, Kaohsiung-Seoul daily, Taipei-Busan 2x weekly
UNI Air focusing on Kaohsiung opeartion: Kaohsiung-Seoul daily, Kaohsiung-Jeju 3-4x weekly, Taipei-Jeju
Mandarin applies: Kaohsiung-Seoul 3x weekly, Taipei-Jeju daily
Transasia Airways: Kaohsiung-Seoul, Taipei-Jeju, all daily
No one applies flights out of Taichung.
Current load factor on scheduled charter between Kaohsiung and Seoul is 80% in peak season, 60% off-peak. Ticket Price on KHH-ICN to be set at USD143
According to the applications, there has been extreme competitions.
Taipei-Seoul, due to restrictions of 4500 seats a week, 18 weekly flights, can be only applied by EVA and China Airlines. The two major carriers are the first choice for capital city flights.
Kaohsiung (Southern Taiwan)-Seoul sees the most extreme competition, all 6 Taiwanese carriers except EVA applied for this route. Only 2 will be awarded.
According to Taiwan's regulation, Capital city flights should award to the major international carriers, or the carriers that has a firm international operation. Only China Airlines and EVA Air fits the requirement. The rest of 4 - Far Eastern Air Transport (FAT), UNI Air (EVA Air subsidiary), Mandarin Airlines (China Airlines subsidiary), Transasia Airways can apply other routes without restrictions.
China Airlines applied: Taipei-Seoul, Kaohsiung-Seoul
EVA Air applied: Taipei-Seoul, other routes under evaluation
FAT applied: Taipei-Jeju daily, Kaohsiung-Seoul daily, Taipei-Busan 2x weekly
UNI Air focusing on Kaohsiung opeartion: Kaohsiung-Seoul daily, Kaohsiung-Jeju 3-4x weekly, Taipei-Jeju
Mandarin applies: Kaohsiung-Seoul 3x weekly, Taipei-Jeju daily
Transasia Airways: Kaohsiung-Seoul, Taipei-Jeju, all daily
No one applies flights out of Taichung.
Current load factor on scheduled charter between Kaohsiung and Seoul is 80% in peak season, 60% off-peak. Ticket Price on KHH-ICN to be set at USD143
Oct 12, 2004, 6:25 am
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Originally Posted by jiml1126
Followed by restoring regular schedule service between Taiwan and South Korea, Taiwan's CAA deadline for Taiwan-Korea route application has ended on 15SEP.
I saw Mandarin had wanted to add Taichung to Korea flights.
According to the applications, there has been extreme competitions.
Taipei-Seoul, due to restrictions of 4500 seats a week, 18 weekly flights, can be only applied by EVA and China Airlines. The two major carriers are the first choice for capital city flights.
Kaohsiung (Southern Taiwan)-Seoul sees the most extreme competition, all 6 Taiwanese carriers except EVA applied for this route. Only 2 will be awarded.
According to Taiwan's regulation, Capital city flights should award to the major international carriers, or the carriers that has a firm international operation. Only China Airlines and EVA Air fits the requirement. The rest of 4 - Far Eastern Air Transport (FAT), UNI Air (EVA Air subsidiary), Mandarin Airlines (China Airlines subsidiary), Transasia Airways can apply other routes without restrictions.
China Airlines applied: Taipei-Seoul, Kaohsiung-Seoul
EVA Air applied: Taipei-Seoul, other routes under evaluation
FAT applied: Taipei-Jeju daily, Kaohsiung-Seoul daily, Taipei-Busan 2x weekly
UNI Air focusing on Kaohsiung opeartion: Kaohsiung-Seoul daily, Kaohsiung-Jeju 3-4x weekly, Taipei-Jeju
Mandarin applies: Kaohsiung-Seoul 3x weekly, Taipei-Jeju daily
Transasia Airways: Kaohsiung-Seoul, Taipei-Jeju, all daily
No one applies flights out of Taichung.
Current load factor on scheduled charter between Kaohsiung and Seoul is 80% in peak season, 60% off-peak. Ticket Price on KHH-ICN to be set at USD143
I saw Mandarin had wanted to add Taichung to Korea flights.
According to the applications, there has been extreme competitions.
Taipei-Seoul, due to restrictions of 4500 seats a week, 18 weekly flights, can be only applied by EVA and China Airlines. The two major carriers are the first choice for capital city flights.
Kaohsiung (Southern Taiwan)-Seoul sees the most extreme competition, all 6 Taiwanese carriers except EVA applied for this route. Only 2 will be awarded.
According to Taiwan's regulation, Capital city flights should award to the major international carriers, or the carriers that has a firm international operation. Only China Airlines and EVA Air fits the requirement. The rest of 4 - Far Eastern Air Transport (FAT), UNI Air (EVA Air subsidiary), Mandarin Airlines (China Airlines subsidiary), Transasia Airways can apply other routes without restrictions.
China Airlines applied: Taipei-Seoul, Kaohsiung-Seoul
EVA Air applied: Taipei-Seoul, other routes under evaluation
FAT applied: Taipei-Jeju daily, Kaohsiung-Seoul daily, Taipei-Busan 2x weekly
UNI Air focusing on Kaohsiung opeartion: Kaohsiung-Seoul daily, Kaohsiung-Jeju 3-4x weekly, Taipei-Jeju
Mandarin applies: Kaohsiung-Seoul 3x weekly, Taipei-Jeju daily
Transasia Airways: Kaohsiung-Seoul, Taipei-Jeju, all daily
No one applies flights out of Taichung.
Current load factor on scheduled charter between Kaohsiung and Seoul is 80% in peak season, 60% off-peak. Ticket Price on KHH-ICN to be set at USD143
Oct 22, 2004, 10:37 pm
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yeah it is said
the local KOREAN air said the scheduled flight will begin in Nov if everything is fine but they are still waiting for license. And they are going to change the schedule departure and arrival time of ICN and TPE to meet the transfer passengers to big china market.
Good news is that any skeyteam award can be used on this route..soon
Good news is that any skeyteam award can be used on this route..soon
Oct 23, 2004, 6:27 pm
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I just booked TPE- ICN-LAX using skymiles on KE First. KE website still has not yet shown TPE as a destination. Delta agent told me currently the flight is listed as "charter". The flight number TPE - ICN is 6692, and it leaves TPE at 12:20 PM and arrives ICN at 3:45 PM. Only 2 class service ( J and Y) on TPE- ICN.
Oct 27, 2004, 3:41 pm
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Finally Taiwan unveiled which Taiwanese carrier can fly which routes:
China Airlines: 9x weekly Taipei-Seoul, 2250 seats/week
EVA Air: 9x weekly Taipei-Seoul, 2250 seats/week
UNI Air (BR subsidiary): Kaohsiung-Seoul, Kaohsiung-Jeju, Taipei-Busan
Transasia Airways: Taipei-Jeju, Taipei-Busan
Far Eastern Air: Taipei-Jeju, Kaohsiung-Jeju
Mandarin Airlines (CI subsidiary): Kaohsiung-Seoul
Only Taipei-Seoul is being restricted to 18x weekly, 4500 seats maximum.
China Airlines: 9x weekly Taipei-Seoul, 2250 seats/week
EVA Air: 9x weekly Taipei-Seoul, 2250 seats/week
UNI Air (BR subsidiary): Kaohsiung-Seoul, Kaohsiung-Jeju, Taipei-Busan
Transasia Airways: Taipei-Jeju, Taipei-Busan
Far Eastern Air: Taipei-Jeju, Kaohsiung-Jeju
Mandarin Airlines (CI subsidiary): Kaohsiung-Seoul
Only Taipei-Seoul is being restricted to 18x weekly, 4500 seats maximum.
Nov 24, 2004, 3:32 pm
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Humm, I did not see any mention of Taiwan flights on KE or OZ web sites, i was hoping to see the flights, with cheaper fares from USA, but shows nothing yet, any news on when KE and OZ will start?
Nov 28, 2004, 12:12 pm
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OZ and KE are still in dispute over frequencies allocation on TPE-ICN. KE is taking it into court. So at this moment, they'll fly this route on charter basis. But I noticed OZ switched flight number from OZ31xx to OZ711/712 for TPE-ICN starting March 2005.
Taiwan has finalize all the paperworks so all 6 Taiwanese carriers will be able to start scheduled service from January.
EVA is using 767-200 (will upgrade to 332 as more 332 comes) while CI use A300 or A330.
Taiwan has finalize all the paperworks so all 6 Taiwanese carriers will be able to start scheduled service from January.
EVA is using 767-200 (will upgrade to 332 as more 332 comes) while CI use A300 or A330.
Dec 1, 2004, 12:36 am
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I think the TPE-ICN (v.v.) scheduled flights have begun today (December 1).
OZ flew into as OZ 711
KE flew into as KE 691
CI flew into TPE as CI 555
BR flew into TPE as BR 159
OZ flew into as OZ 711
KE flew into as KE 691
CI flew into TPE as CI 555
BR flew into TPE as BR 159