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China Southern leaves SkyTeam, planning to join oneworld
https://udn.com/news/story/7332/3482916
News with official notice inside, CZ will leave SkyTeam in 2019. |
Not officially planning, but "considering" to join oneworld.
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As an Elite Plus member, I’m moderately surprised that I haven’t got an email from them yet... |
CX being a founding member of OW has veto power for any new member so CZ is likely not going to be a OW member anytime soon. If CZ had the agreements to join OW, it would have been announced at the same time as pulling out of ST.
The only airline name mentioned in the press release was AA so it seems clear that CZ pulling out of ST is probably influenced by AA, which has a minority stake in CZ. AA is probably doing a lot of behind the scene maneuvering to ensure ST airlines, and DL in particular, don't get a huge advantage at the new airport in Beijing. With CZ and MU both moving to the new airport, ST was going to dominate the operations there. But if CZ is out now, it ensures that there will be at least one non-ST network hub airline at the new airport so the balance of power doesn't tip too much in favor of ST carriers. That's probably the main objective. Having CZ in OW is an added bonus but not really the main objective. |
Originally Posted by bzcat
(Post 30433312)
CX being a founding member of OW has veto power for any new member so CZ is likely not going to be a OW member anytime soon.
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CX veto power is key, but regardless of that, the AA CZ partnership will become stronger.
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Originally Posted by bzcat
(Post 30433312)
CX being a founding member of OW has veto power for any new member so CZ is likely not going to be a OW member anytime soon. If CZ had the agreements to join OW, it would have been announced at the same time as pulling out of ST.
The only airline name mentioned in the press release was AA so it seems clear that CZ pulling out of ST is probably influenced by AA, which has a minority stake in CZ. AA is probably doing a lot of behind the scene maneuvering to ensure ST airlines, and DL in particular, don't get a huge advantage at the new airport in Beijing. With CZ and MU both moving to the new airport, ST was going to dominate the operations there. But if CZ is out now, it ensures that there will be at least one non-ST network hub airline at the new airport so the balance of power doesn't tip too much in favor of ST carriers. That's probably the main objective. Having CZ in OW is an added bonus but not really the main objective. |
Yes CX has the power to Veto any airline wishing to join as they are a founding member of the alliance. So that means it is likely any bid for CZ to join Oneworld would need to benefit CX (which I don't know how CZ joining in anyway can) and if not then they will likely deny them entry. AA would prefer them to become a full member but realistically CZ won't join an alliance for many years if at all. Skyteam was and is still the best fit for them from an alliance point of view. But exiting that alliance will free them to codeshare and JV with many more airlines (Especially AA) which they think is a better path for them.
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Cathay Pacific has stated openly in 2016 that they will not object any suitable Chinese carrier to join oneworld. I believe it was from Ivan Chu during an industrial meeting interview, but I can no longer find that story. The words are written in the wall that Cathay is in no position to veto after the filed attempt by itself to recruit MU and CA.
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Well, BA is making an interesting first move setting up a Joint Venture with CZ.
There's a thread for this over on the BA board https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...t-venture.html |
Originally Posted by plunet
(Post 31850396)
Well, BA is making an interesting first move setting up a Joint Venture with CZ.
There's a thread for this over on the BA board https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...t-venture.html |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 31850977)
I predicted this a year ago. AA and BA are both going to be tight with CZ at PKX, with or without OneWorld. Thanks for pointing us to the BA thread. I will definitely check it out.
https://www.qantas.com/nz/en/qantas-...-airlines.html Qantas operates daily services between Sydney and Shanghai, and Sydney and Beijing 5 days a week. Qantas codeshare customers have access to over 40 direct flights per week between Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth, and Guangzhou, operated by China Southern. From Guangzhou, customers can also connect onto four codeshare destinations throughout China, operated by China Southern, including Fuzhou, Kunming, Xiamen and Urumqi. China Southern CZ is getting close to being a defacto OW airline. |
Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
(Post 31851038)
China Southern CZ is getting close to being a defacto OW airline. I can't fathom CX permitting CZ to join OW, but this might not matter at all in the grand scheme. |
Too much commitment & paper work with marriage :D
Finnair AY also in a de facto OW CZ relationship 24 May 2019 https://www.businesstraveller.com/ai...arting-june-1/ Guangzhou-based China Southern Airlines and Finnair have firmed up the details of their previously proposed reciprocal codeshare agreement, which will see the two carriers’ codes placed on Finnair’s service between Helsinki and Guangzhou as well as routes operated by both airlines to select destinations in Europe and China starting June 1. <snip> OW forum https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onew...-southern.html Qatar Airways and China Southern plan codeshare Qatar Airways and China Southern have announced plans for a codeshare agreement to begin in January 2020. Subject to regulatory approval, the move will see the airlines market one another’s flights in what they said would be the “first step” in strengthening their cooperation. It will initially apply to Qatar Airways’ daily flights from Doha to the Chinese cities of Guangzhou and Beijing. Qatar Airways acquired a 5 per cent stake in China Southern in December 2018. |
Should I add that Qatar has a stake in CZ too?
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