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British Airways and China Southern Airlines Launch Joint Venture

British Airways and China Southern Airlines Launch Joint Venture

Old Dec 17, 19, 4:14 am
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Can anyone shed some light on how the new partnership will work in regards to tier points and avios earn and burn?
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Old Dec 17, 19, 4:46 am
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Here is the Mediacentre press release
17 December 2019: British Airways has signed a joint business agreement with China Southern Airlines, for travel from 2 January 2020. Seats are available for sale on ba.com from today.

The agreement will benefit customers of both airlines by opening more destinations between the UK and China, with a greater choice of flights and enhanced frequent flyer benefits. It will allow the airlines to cooperate on scheduling and pricing, providing customers with more flexible flight options and an attractive range of fares.

British Airways customers will be able to travel more easily on a combined route network which will develop over time thanks to both airlines’ move to the new Beijing Daxing International Airport. The joint business will initially see the two airlines code-sharing on all direct flights operated on mainland routes between London and the Chinese cities of Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Sanya, Wuhan and Zhengzhou. This will expand to both airlines' extensive domestic networks.

Alex Cruz, British Airways’ Chairman and CEO, said: “We are delighted to announce this joint business which will bring the UK and China closer together by providing British Airways and China Southern Airlines customers with a wide range of benefits. The agreement reinforces our commitment to boost tourism and business travel between the two countries and we look forward to strengthening the relationship further.”

Customer benefits will include greater opportunities to collect frequent flyer points, the ability to book through both airlines’ web or app-based platforms, enhanced lounge access and access to high-quality Chinese and British products and services on board and on the ground.

NOTES TO EDITORS:

British Airways and China Southern Airlines launched a codeshare agreement across ten routes in 2017. In January 2019, the airlines signed a Memorandum of Understanding to expand the agreement on each other’s networks and implement reciprocal frequent flyer benefits.

In October 2019, British Airways was the first international airline to its all operations to Beijing Daxing International Airport, in recognition of its importance in driving travel between China and the UK and its offer of a world-class customer experience.

Under the joint business, customers will initially benefit from 31 direct flights a week between London and the six Chinese locations.
The way this works for TPs, Avios and other BAEC benefit is that it will become possible to book a flight from London to say Guangzhou, flown by China Southern, but under a BA flight number. It should be available via BA.com but more importantly on corporate travel platforms. This means you fly China Southern but on this sort of ticket you would earn Avios, Tier Points and eligible flights to your BAEC account. There may be some arrangement on lounge use too, but that's not always a given on codeshares (and mostly it isn't in the deal). Being a Joint Business means also that if there are flight interuptions, BA can swap you easily on to China Southern aircraft.

Eventually when the other flights get coded, it will be possible to fly on perhaps 2 BA flights then 2 China Southern flights to reach a less well known destination, and get it all ticketed on BA.
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Old Dec 17, 19, 10:58 am
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British Airways and China Southern Airlines Launch Joint Venture

https://mediacentre.britishairways.c...1909?ref=email

17 December 2019: British Airways has signed a joint business agreement with China Southern Airlines, for travel from 2 January 2020. Seats are available for sale on ba.com from today.

The agreement will benefit customers of both airlines by opening more destinations between the UK and China, with a greater choice of flights and enhanced frequent flyer benefits. It will allow the airlines to cooperate on scheduling and pricing, providing customers with more flexible flight options and an attractive range of fares.

British Airways customers will be able to travel more easily on a combined route network which will develop over time thanks to both airlines’ move to the new Beijing Daxing International Airport. The joint business will initially see the two airlines code-sharing on all direct flights operated on mainland routes between London and the Chinese cities of Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Sanya, Wuhan and Zhengzhou. This will expand to both airlines' extensive domestic networks.

Alex Cruz, British Airways’ Chairman and CEO, said: “We are delighted to announce this joint business which will bring the UK and China closer together by providing British Airways and China Southern Airlines customers with a wide range of benefits. The agreement reinforces our commitment to boost tourism and business travel between the two countries and we look forward to strengthening the relationship further.”

Customer benefits will include greater opportunities to collect frequent flyer points, the ability to book through both airlines’ web or app-based platforms, enhanced lounge access and access to high-quality Chinese and British products and services on board and on the ground.
I wonder if this will have any positive impact for BA and CZ flights departing from North America in the future?
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Old Dec 17, 19, 11:45 am
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Be intrigued to see how that Guangzhou link works - it looks to be uncomfortably in the face of CX!

Is this why CX have recentlly pretty effectively blanked out Avios availability for HKG to Asia?
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Old Dec 17, 19, 2:45 pm
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Ahhhh I just had to take a flight back from Sanya to LHR with China Southern (timings worked better) - wish this had been in place!
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Old Dec 17, 19, 2:51 pm
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Iíve flown them a couple of times - A380 from CAN to PEK was great. New terminal at CAN is very swish too.

I wonder if they will join OneWorld any time soon?
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Old Dec 17, 19, 3:03 pm
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10 months ago OW was playing down this possibility

Oneworld not in 'active discussions' with China Southern
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Old Dec 17, 19, 3:21 pm
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I fly to Guangzhou on China Southern quite regularly so this will be well received. That being said, Skyscanner is showing a China Southern ticket to be several hundred pounds cheaper than BA. On that basis, I'll stick to my CZ booking!

I assume Avios will not be redeemable?
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Old Dec 17, 19, 3:29 pm
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Originally Posted by our_kid View Post
Iíve flown them a couple of times - A380 from CAN to PEK was great. New terminal at CAN is very swish too.

I wonder if they will join OneWorld any time soon?
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10 months ago OW was playing down this possibility

Oneworld not in 'active discussions' with China Southern
I think the earliest that can happen will be in 2021. Let's make this happen. I hope CX and CZ will be able to sort out their disagreements behind close doors.
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Old Dec 17, 19, 6:31 pm
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The main reason this makes sense now, as opposed to last year, is because of PKX (Daxing). BA moved its flights to PKX, AA will do the same, and CZ has the rights to 40% of PKX capacity.
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Old Dec 17, 19, 9:47 pm
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BA doesn’t have to wait for anti competition approval before they can coordinate fares? Or has this has been achieved already?
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Old Dec 17, 19, 11:45 pm
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Very positive about this.
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Old Dec 18, 19, 3:13 am
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CZ fare from CTU to scandinavia stays at £1200 return in J, tax included.

Depending on TP/Avios earning rate, good run opportunities.
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Old Dec 18, 19, 3:14 am
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Originally Posted by moondog View Post
The main reason this makes sense now, as opposed to last year, is because of PKX (Daxing). BA moved its flights to PKX, AA will do the same, and CZ has the rights to 40% of PKX capacity.
Not many flights in NS20. Just 10-12 flights to unknown places.
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Old Dec 18, 19, 3:17 am
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I think the earliest that can happen will be in 2021. Let's make this happen. I hope CX and CZ will be able to sort out their disagreements behind close doors.
CX, with CA being its second biggest shareholder, LH/LX/AC/NZ partnership, fits Star which HKG is a missing hub location.

SQ might object - but SQ joining OW would also make sense. But QF might object SQ - and Aussie antitrust might have concerns.
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