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Originally Posted by Leftover Meatloaf
Damn! It's a shame JFE can't moderate the Presidential debates:
JFE: Mr. Kerry, first question. You say that the President has made mistakes in Iraq. Please explain what you mean by that. Kerry: Well I believe we should make sure we pass a global test before preemptively attacking any country. George Bush doesn't care about France and Germany. I wouldn't attack unless they say its ok" JFE: Mr. Bush, rebuttal? Bush: Well I disagree with my opponent, I will defend the country based upon what is in the interest of the USA. I won't outsource the defense of America to the United Nations. JFE: Huh? That's quite enough gentlemen! Wahhhhhhh! I can't handle these disagreements and outrageous personal attacks! I'm locking this debate down and ending it right now! You knew the rules when you came in! Or, if you want to be cynical, perhaps the thought bubble over JFE's head would look something like this: Damn. Bush just made a really good, supportable point that made Kerry look bad. I better shut this thing down before it happens again. Can't let the story get confused with facts. I love the way people keep volunteering OTHER people's time, money, and resources to support a political forum. :rolleyes: (Someone on this thread actually claimed that there were probably plenty of people willing to volunteer to moderate OMNI. Even if true, how long would most people last in that position, given the high volume of posting in that forum and all the cr*p the mods have to deal with?) *I'm NEITHER agreeing NOR disagreeing with your assessment of the moderation, just pointing out how you are actually SUPPORTING Randy's decision to shut down OMNI. |
Originally Posted by Punki
I have seen the very smart-alecs on other fora and can attest that even the bad guys on FT are smarter than the bad guys on the rest of the internet--let's face it we are the best of the best.
These Original Members are right on top of things. ;) I love OMNI--------------bring it back. We can find moderators who are smart enough and objective enough to cope. I'm sure there would be no shortage of volunteers to moderate OMNI with or without politics. I really don't see what the problem is. Skip threads you aren't interested in, if the TOS are violated, moderators can close threads / delete posts and warn -- and ban members if necessary. First time you get a warning, second time you're out for 6 months or whatever. And maybe whining in Randy's forum about OMNI should be a "warning" event, too. ;) |
Originally Posted by Leftover Meatloaf
Damn! It's a shame JFE can't moderate the Presidential debates:
JFE: Mr. Kerry, first question. You say that the President has made mistakes in Iraq. Please explain what you mean by that. Kerry: Well I believe we should make sure we pass a global test before preemptively attacking any country. George Bush doesn't care about France and Germany. I wouldn't attack unless they say its ok" JFE: Mr. Bush, rebuttal? Bush: Well I disagree with my opponent, I will defend the country based upon what is in the interest of the USA. I won't outsource the defense of America to the United Nations. JFE: Huh? That's quite enough gentlemen! Wahhhhhhh! I can't handle these disagreements and outrageous personal attacks! I'm locking this debate down and ending it right now! You knew the rules when you came in! Or, if you want to be cynical, perhaps the thought bubble over JFE's head would look something like this: Damn. Bush just made a really good, supportable point that made Kerry look bad. I better shut this thing down before it happens again. Can't let the story get confused with facts. Could it be that you had another id in the past?? Naaaaaaaaaah. :rolleyes: |
My only regret about the loss of OMNI is that I will never know when belle3388 finally takes her Swiffer out of the box. :(
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Originally Posted by Doppy
As for the "take it to another board" comment, there's a reason FT is special - it's got a great group of members. Putting aside politics (and OMNI was wildly tame versus some boards where people are continuously talking about how certain people and groups should be killed, let alone some name calling), OMNI brought together an incredibly intelligent and worldly group of people had great insight and advice.
While I participate on some other boards, I haven't found any, and I doubt I will, where there's such a great membership where I'd feel comfortable asking for personal advice, let alone care about the recommendations of other members. I think you're completely wrong. Maybe I haven't done a complete 180, but I've certainly learned a lot and had my positions shaped by the arguments that have been made. I'm sure I'm not the only one. I agree. Honestly, people are always complaining about moderation and I think I've yet to see anything which really merits a complaint. Not every decision is going to go the way you want it to, but I think the moderators - across all the fora (that I'm familiar with) are doing a great job. I'm with you on the second part. Way too much complaining. This forum should be renamed "Only Silly Complaints." On the first part, I disagree. Adults can have a discussion of religion and politics without resorting to attacks. If certain members can't act like adults, they shouldn't be posting. N674UW |
While I'm sure nobody will care what I say, in the big scheme of things - I think we lost a important (but small) part of FT.
I rarely if ever wandered into a political type thread in OMNI, and would maybe go to OMNI as a whole every few days. But, OMNI was greatly helpful in a number of important things in my life: 1) Changing jobs a few months ago and getting advice on relo packges 2) Information regarding WashDC and my relocation 3) Getting adjusted to the DC area 4) Finding inflatable furniture replacements 5) Buying my plasma TV I think it's these type of things that most people in OMNI want to discuss. I agree that if the political discussion can't be kept to a civil level - then toss it out and make it a forum like PremEx said. A "Help me..." type of forum. I just think that many people in Flyertalk want to help others - and be helped. Sometimes that help is beyond just miles and points, for this is a community - one that supports it's members and each other in more ways than one. Just my humble opinion. |
Originally Posted by richard
OMNI is where my sense of FlyerTalk community really developed. It is where I got to know fellow FlyerTalkers. It is incredibly valuable that way.
Once I felt more comfortable, I began to post more in the other forums and even attended my first do in August (after I thought you people were lunatics for flying around meeting strangers). For me, OMNI was a bit of a bridge that allowed me to build relationships and comfort to begin being more of a contributor to the community. I would still love to see OMNI continue, but completely understand why it was pulled, though.... |
Originally Posted by Punki
I want the input, joy and amusement I receive from just plain smart and funny FlyerTalkers on OMNI. Heck I already know almost everything I could know about UA, AS, SPG, HHonors and everything else on FT that matters to me. I can ignore a few moronic OMNI posts--a small price to pay for the very valuable input I receive from the vast majority of FlyerTalkers on all fora--including OMNI.
I love OMNI--------------bring it back. We can find moderators who are smart enough and objective enough to cope. The above paragraph is heavy sarcasm and I'm sure Randy doesn't intend for Flyertalk to appear that way, but I think this decision is a mistake that leads people to think that. I'm surprised no one here has predicted the future of all those horrible political discussions? If they can't post in Omni, where will they post? I can see the next post in the United Forum. "United will get their act together after Bush is re-elected", followed by a reply "Kerry will win, you scum-sucking swine!!". If the moderators can't stop that in Omni now, how will they stop it when it spills into another forum? Finally, I'd like to offer a not-too-well-thought-out technical solution. We know that this BBS offers a choking solution that stops us from posting twice in a minute. I wonder if that can be applied on a per-forum basis? That way we could limit posts to Omni to once per hour. That would accomplish the following: 1. People would have to put a little more thought into their posts knowing that they couldn't come back to slam their critics for an hour. 2. The total number of posts would go down, saving bandwidth and disk space. 3. It would stop a lot of those silly posts games and hopefully add to the productivity of Omni-lovers. Moderators, would that work? I might even volunteer to moderate Omni if this solution were in place. It would make Omni much more manageable. |
Originally Posted by birdstrike
I would support a "Members Helping Members" forum. The tag OMNI may be beyond redemption at this point. This would also be a useful place for the giving away (no trading) of non-FF items recently banned from CC.
No politics No religion I'm still contemplating the role of moderators, but I'm leaning towards "the verdict of the moderators is final". Or perhaps any moderator can take unilateral action against a thread, decisions can be appealed to the full board of MHM moderators, but Randy is never troubled with intervention requests. Personally, I'm sorry to see OMNI shuttered. I was going to post an image of a beached whale we saw in Monterey this weekend. :D I suggest you post some of your (travel- or scenery- or event-related) photos on the San Francisco or (if more appropriate) California forums. If there's an existing photo thread (there might be on San Francisco; don't remember offhand), add to that, or else start a new one. |
Originally Posted by stimpy
Finally, I'd like to offer a not-too-well-thought-out technical solution. We know that this BBS offers a choking solution that stops us from posting twice in a minute. I wonder if that can be applied on a per-forum basis? That way we could limit posts to Omni to once per hour. That would accomplish the following:
1. People would have to put a little more thought into their posts knowing that they couldn't come back to slam their critics for an hour. 2. The total number of posts would go down, saving bandwidth and disk space. 3. It would stop a lot of those silly posts games and hopefully add to the productivity of Omni-lovers. Moderators, would that work? I might even volunteer to moderate Omni if this solution were in place. It would make Omni much more manageable. And, it's the content of the posts rather than their frequency that was objectionable. Still, though, I think some sort of posting limits (in addition to the throttle that already seems to exist) aren't a bad idea, especially if it's on an OMNI-type forum (like "FTers helping FTers"), to help limit the resources sucked up by non-travel related posts. |
Originally Posted by Mary2e
Remove those two items from Omni and perhaps we can bring it back to what it was about 3 or 4 years ago instead of the scapegoat for all FT misbehaviors.
I don't doubt there were TOS violations, but I would venture to guess that almost every single complaint had to do with politics & religion. IMHO, I think we've thrown out the baby with the bathwater and penalized the entire community for the actions of a few people that continuously posted about politics. Randy, please reconsider. Bring back Omni as a fun place and good resource and ban political and religious discussions. Mary Only one big problem I have today, wherever am I going to find my hangover cure... :confused: who knew you can drink in London to 3 a.m. when the pubs close at 11 p.m. :D |
Originally Posted by KathyWdrf
Yet another argument in favor of shutting down OMNI and/or banning political threads. The moderators got beat up for bias and unfairness, and one by one they QUIT!!! jfe, whom you keep attacking as biased*, was the last man standing!
I love the way people keep volunteering OTHER people's time, money, and resources to support a political forum. :rolleyes: (Someone on this thread actually claimed that there were probably plenty of people willing to volunteer to moderate OMNI. Even if true, how long would most people last in that position, given the high volume of posting in that forum and all the cr*p the mods have to deal with?) *I'm NEITHER agreeing NOR disagreeing with your assessment of the moderation, just pointing out how you are actually SUPPORTING Randy's decision to shut down OMNI. |
Originally Posted by skofarrell
Wow. An awful strong opinion for someone who a). just registered last month, and b). has not achieved the requisite number of "main" forum posts to enable participation in OMNI. I mean it took me at least 2 months of absorbing the miles/points side before I even became aware than OMNI existed.
Could it be that you had another id in the past?? Naaaaaaaaaah. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Leftover Meatloaf
I agree. With the type of moderation that had been applied to OMNI during this US political period, you may as well just shut it down. I don't agree with your implication, however, that having the two other moderators quit was a bad idea.
This is what, the third already? :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Droneklax
...I once recently threatened to do it a third time, against a post by the OP, btw. The same person now rejoicing in the closing of the forum. :rolleyes:...
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