That is the only thing is your post I agree with.

YOUR specific secret thoughts on my "Banning on general principles" (that no-one asked you for, least of all myself or Randy) were posted here all weekend for ALL to see, so 'bravely' posting them 'publicly' now, whilst thumping your chest with the other hand is certainly pretty courageous - I don't think. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

p.s. ... so have you now purchased Flyertalk? Or perhaps I just missed the apparent public call for your opinions on banning me from FT?

Enjoy the sun-tan. You are NOW what you post. Publicly. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

If you think all your posts here in the past 2 days exhibit placid, helpful, even tempered and objective and exemplary manners and behaviour, that one associates with a good moderator, and a friendly bulletin board - you are of course entitled to your opinion.

All I can think is that it must be getting awful lonely out on the end of that limb. The other 50-100 whatever moderators seem to have calmly accepted the decision, and moved on.

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[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited Feb 02, 2004).]

That is absolutely hysterical! I never heard of that one-- soooooo funny! (And so true.)

You wanted sunshine, you have sunshine. Once again, you have ignored the context of my post, so I will bold it again in the hopes that you get it:

I think that anyone who posts information from a private forum on flyertalk into a public forum on flyertalk should be banned.

That's been the context of my comment on every forum, public or private on flyertalk on this particular issue. I urge you to take it up with Randy if you seek further clarification or corroboration. Randy is a kind enough individual that he will probably give you the corroboration you allegedly seek--if I were in his shoes, I'd tell you to pound salt (I don't like it when somebody defecates in my virtual living room).

You know, there is a very simple solution to keep the board owner or the folks who he has appointed to stop discussing anything you might say or do, and that's to stop violating the TOS and posting information from a clearly private forum just to stir up trouble.

I don't think you will do that, as I truly believe you thrive more on the rabble-rousing than actually trying to better the community. I'd like to be wrong, but history is stronger than the desire of any one man.

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[This message has been edited by ClueByFour (edited Feb 02, 2004).]

Hmmm. Just did a search and you had no comment whatever to make that I can see when kokonutz originally did just this, and he did so repeatedly again just this weekend.

So what is your specific definition of "every" forum?

Never mind. 'Selective memory' is like bird flu - it is widespread. I have made my point, and stand by it, will let others judge your credibility against mine, and will NOT anger Randy by continuing to engage you here.

I will simply turn on my shiny new "ignore user" filter to you from now on in this thread. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

(p.s. - isn't that what good moderators are advised to tell others?) http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif



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~ Glen ~ sipping bubbly from a UA 747-400 exit row 15 near you SOON!

Oh, pluh-eease http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif

Star Chamber, you been watching way too many conspiracy movies.

If we talked in there about other members was regarding ways of handling issues with trouble makers.

There were a couple of threads about you if I remember correctly http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

So please, let's not blow things out of proportion.

Whoever this troll was he/she posted in this forum were a bunch of half lies, posted only partial information that suited his purposes, and twisted the truth to make his point.

Every single place on this planet, needs a place for the people who are trying to help run it and have a private conversation.

If we wanted to keep things a secret as you insinuated we did, we would have taken it to email. But instead we choose a forum that was created for all moderators, so we could share that information and get everyones input. Not all of us have a vendetta against other users.

If we were really conspiring about you, you would not know about it.

So please, everyone here that is relishing that this information got out and somehow your life got validated , take a chill pill.

We moderators are here to help, and we will continue to do so until Randy decides otherwise.


I am sick and tired of people just taking cheap shots at us.


I might regret this post later, but right now this is the way I feel http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/mad.gif

jfe writes:

I resemble that remark. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

You know, "this particular issue" refers to your massive violation of the house of flyertalk. You know that, but just can't stop. Turning on the ignore-user barb simply indicates to Randy, myself, and everyone that can read that you know you are wrong, as evidenced by the fact that you never did address the bolded issues posted in this thread.

I won't touch the credibility issue--mine is fine, I am and remain proud to be associated with the current group of moderators.

I won't touch the behavior barb either--I urge you to take any concerns you might have to Randy privately. I have faith, based on some of the decisions that he has made in the past regarding the behaviors of various FT members that he will do whatever is best for the FT community, and I'm fully prepared to support those actions, whatever they may be. I am far more concerned with the good of the flyertalk community than I am about the cliques, egos, and troublemaking that some seem to enjoy.


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Don't feed the trolls.

Imagine that three men were running for office today.

All three are excellent orators but have little else in common.

Man # 1 is tremendously overweight, smokes cigars incessently, drinks daily (often finishing a bottle of brand in a single day), loves beef, and has, a poodle named "Rufus".

Man # 2 is the youngest of the three, looks to be in good physical condition, does not smoke nor drink alcohol, is a vegetarian, and has a manly-type dog (Alsatian) called "Biondi". Additionally, while he has a girlfriend, it is a serious relationship and he does not cheat on her.

Man # 3 is is severely physically handicapped. He is a chain smoker and actually uses a long cigarette holder. He, like Man # 1, likes to drink -- albeit not quite as much. He enjoys meat and his preferences run to gourmet food. He has one of those tiny dogs -- a Scottie named Fala. Although married, he has been having an affair for years.

Which of these three would gather the most votes -- especially from the Politically Correct set?

# 1 = Winston Churchill
# 2 = Adolph Hitler
# 3 = Franklin Roosevelt

Hmm.........

Not taking your own advice to heart? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/confused.gif

Aaahh. Another Moderator with selective /reading memory disorder? As I said to your colleague above (now on "ignore user" feature) - like Bird Flue .. that disorder spreads fast. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

jfe. I think you are a decent kind of guy, and we have never had any runs-ins of any kind, on any Forum IIRC, and from what I have seen of your actions and postings you have been pretty balanced and even-handed.

But IMO you are now getting caught up in the: "All bad things in the world including El Niño, the weak dollar, and Bird Flue are all due to ozstamps" camp.

This camp is about 1% the size it used to be here, but it certainly exists.

If you care to READ this thread you might have noticed that the term "Star Chamber" was used first, not by me, but by kokonutz. So why not highlight HIS quote ... not mine? Gets back to El Niño answer I think,. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Well now I have stopped laughing let me respond that that FT classic line.

Moderators were taking both cheap shots at me (and others) AND conspiring. And ONLY because they THOUGHT I and others did not know about it.

They, as history now shows us, were totally and completely wrong.

As they say in the Army - "the ONLY way a secret between 2 people stays a secret is when one of those persons is dead".

Did you happen to glance at this Board on the weekend? There were a half dozen or so threads outlining this and other back-stabbing .... word for word. Randy confirmed today the words were all real.

I did not post the threads and have absolutely no clue who did, and Randy knows and accepts this AFAIK. Whomever was stealing passwords and ID's etc deserves to be drop-kicked to Mongolia with a steel capped boot, and I still am not sure how it was possible to do that.

However these threads were quoting real defamatory stuff IMO. Word for word. From Moderators. About other Flyertalkers. Behind their backs.

Were some threads akin to a "Star Chamber". YES - they were. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/mad.gif And sorry - neither you nor anyone else can re-write history and claim they were NOT.

I screen saved them as I felt sure they'd be archived Monday - want me to email them to refresh your memory of them? Glad to assist. Not one word of apology or contrition from any Mod quoted on there - not to other FT'ers they'd defamed, or to Randy as a matter of record. Lots of finger pointing at many others though. Like kids with their hands caught in a cookie jar. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

So the VERY few apparently power drunk moderators who turned the Mods board into a B grade Jerry Springer for a while got it closed down for all the non-controversial Mods - those IMO being the great majority I might add. Closed down by THEIR posts - no-one esle's posts. Too bad. Blame them, not anyone else.

Hey ... maybe they caused El Niño? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/tongue.gif


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[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited Feb 02, 2004).]

I think the focus is on the "bad thing" you did by posting a record of the private moderator forum in a public place.

That's the point Clue's making, and it's a good one.

Randy created the forum and he was aware of the content. It operated with his approval.

You pooped on his dinner table. He'll have to decide what (if any) punishment that may deserve, but I think a lot of us are shocked that you don't "get" the fact that you've done something inappropriate.

As far as I know, Randy already made that decision, and the decision was no punishment.

Where should Randy start? By now, he would need to ban a bunch of his moderators and several other people if he really wanted to have some consistent enforcement.

At the same time, some of these moderators seem to have formed a coalition with the main agenda of trying to force certain posters they don't like off the board.

At the same time, one person keeps starting new threads about why this thread was moved, why that thread was closed, etc., and keeps these threads alive until people just get tired of answering.

One person keeps calling for the FBI and secret service http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif.

It's a bit of a mess...even though I would love to have Randy's mileage balance and his knowledge about loyalty programs, for once I have to say I really would not want to be in his shoes.

I would suggest everyone just slowly backs away from their keyboards and gets some sleep.

At least that's what I will do http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif.

Well balanced, and even handed http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/confused.gif, you need to talk to my shrink to get the whole truth http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

[quote]<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ozstamps:
[b]Moderators were taking both cheap shots at me (and others) AND conspiring. And ONLY because they THOUGHT I and others did not know about it. They, as history now shows us, were totally wrong.

Cheap shots, the only ones I am looking at are the ones taking to moderators as a whole. And no, we were not conspiring, but venting the frustration that this job sometimes bring


Of course I read them, and I read them inside the now defunct board originally, and I can tell you, that some people made some of the moderators mad, so which better way to see if someone is overreacting than to share that with your fellow moderators, and see what everyones reaction is.

I don't know who posted them either, and not sure if we ever will.

But whoever did it, their whole purpose was to create a negative image of moderators.

And no, we are not prefect, we do get pissed of at people who act mightier that thou, and cannot recognize that their actions are wrong.

I have admitted being wrong in my actions in the past, nobody here is perfect.

Acting in a cowardly way as to posting under a fake ID is as bad as the people who think who condone such actions under the umbrella that now the truth has been exposed.

Please, everyone just chill out and let's keep using this board as it was intended to be.

You actually started posting stuff from a private forum before this past weekend.

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[This message has been edited by ClueByFour (edited Feb 02, 2004).]

Well I did say you were well-balanced. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Very good advice. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thumbsup.gif

It seems none of the moderators posting on this page have noticed, ( http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif) but this thread seems to had nothing whatever to do with the thread TOPIC for quite a while, so if I may put my unpaid and totally unofficial Ansett Forum moderator hat on, may I politely suggest we ALL give Randy one less ulcer today, and proceed to respond to just THAT topic? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

I imagine he has far more important and pressing things to deal with right now than considering timing out many of us posting so far on this thread.

So:

"Why was this thread moved?"