Timeout?
 

This thread is getting a little heated and I personally don't appreciate the personal attacks being made by PineyBob against Quiet Lion. I know neither gentlemen, and I may be using the term loosely, but I find PineyBob's antics to be way out of line.

I think someone needs a timeout.

You may wish to email Randy or a moderator directly...

I have read that thread and kept up on it... and I would say that there might be a few people who deserve a timeout... not just one.

Someone called someone else a troll in a round-a-bout way... so we have to be careful how we read the thread.

William

Thanks. I've tried to clean up the differnces that PineyBob and QL have in this thread so that it remains alive for members to post to. When possible (and sometimes it is not), I'd rather try to edit the noise so that the signal survives. I'll work at it a little later but i think it's a little better now. I'm sorry that you and other members were interupted.

Cheers,
Randy

Hey Randy - hope I'm not making too much light of an annoying situation, but I'm lovin' the edits/commentary you're making these last couple of days.

Hysterical. Funny how the mood brightens as the first days of the season approach (6 inches fresh at BC/BG).

As always, Thank You Randy!

William

Thank you very much, Randy, I know how much harder that selective form of moderation is as opposed to just locking or moving threads. I also know that it takes a lot more of your precious time. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/eek.gif I know how very busy you are and truly appreciate your making this extra effort to make FlyerTalk an even more pleasant place to hang out in cyberspace. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif



[This message has been edited by Punki (edited Nov 14, 2003).]

Thanks, Randy.

But I'm not sure the message got through. One of the offenders has now posted an apology that isn't. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif


Kathy

Maybe I read it wrong, but I don't see where the apology was ever directed at QL in the first place.

Since my reading of the apology was for the strength of his opinion, and had nothing to do with any of his comments directed at QuietLion, I fail to see how this comment is particularly constructive in either instance.

Mike

In it was VERY FAR from an apology telling someone anywhere " I wouldnt piss in your mouth if you were on fire.." should be deemed offensive to all and a real apology for that statement alone should be demanded by all on these boards including those here who find the need to defend the individual.
mike


[This message has been edited by MIKESILV (edited Nov 15, 2003).]

Moderator flipside has now edited out the flame portion of the post I mentioned above. Thank you.


Kathy

IMHO, anyone making such an inflammatory post should be banned from FT. That is beyond the pale.

But we who take offense at such things are not making constructive comments. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif


Kathy

Anyone??????????????????

Or, Anyone who is not one of your buddies???????

anyone (Rudi, a proud buddie of Punki and many/most/all? FlyerTalkers).

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thumbsup.gif

And a thumbs up also to Randy because it seems like the recent posts to the thread are more substantive and less personal. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thumbsup.gif

Absolutely anyone!!! (Punki, a proud buddy of Rudi, Gleff and many, almost all FlyerTalkers around the world (lucky me). http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

In the past, you have defended similar actions.

I just wanted to clarify that you had changed your position.

Thanks for the laugh, CameraGuy. That was a real "When did you stop beating your wife?" statement. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Beyond its amusement value, however, your statement mystifies me. Anyone who knows me even vaguely knows that I have no tolerance for flaming, insults and/or negative remarks on any public website.

My only guess is that you are referring to an incident that happened over a year ago on another website where I edited several posts (some of yours among them) and you were upset that I did not, at the same time, edit a post by another member who made a negative comment on a forum for which I had no moderator access.

I have been informed that another Moderator from that site, who I was further told is a friend of yours, initially misunderstood the circumstances and may have conveyed that misinformation along to you. I been further informed that the administrator of that site has advised you that your understandings were inaccurate.

IIRC, you have alluded to this incident many times here in Randy's forum to the bafflement of many, so it would appear that this issue still bothers you a great deal. While I would be more than happy to continue to discuss it with you further, either via e-mail or on the appropriate website, I do not believe that continually bringing this to Randy's table is appropriate. He has enough FlyerTalk moderation issues to which he must attend, without the additional burden of dealing with issues from other websites.



[This message has been edited by Punki (edited Nov 18, 2003).]

You are once again WRONG and once again, Posting knowingly false information. That is a violation of the TOS.

I am not in any way refering to your pathetic little web site. I am refering to the MANY times you have defended members HERE on FT who have flamed, insulted and been suspended.

But, you already knew that.

Well, I must admit that I, like Randy, am indeed guilty of defending persons who have been suspended or banned. I have not, however, ever condoned any insults and/or flaming, as I am sure that those to whom you refer will happily attest. Especially if you are referring to my friend Ozstamps, who I am confident I have censored more than any other poster on FlyerTalk. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif I will add that he has always taken my input with extreme graciousness, when I have told that IMHO a post of his was over the line

Beyond that, every word of my previous post is the absolute truth as I understand, and as at least 20 other FlyerTalkers with inside information on this matter can attest.

Again, whatever problems you may have with me, I am most happy to deal with privately and spare Randy ongoing exposure to uneccessary displays of unhappiness and frustration.



[This message has been edited by Punki (edited Nov 18, 2003).]

I stand compltetely behind what I wrote and know, as do you, the true story.

But, as I stated in my previous post, this is NOT about your pathetic little web site. Your constant reference to the mistakes made on that site are NOT at issue here.

What is at issue is that you HAVE in the past condoned behaviour that has resulted in members being suspended. I am quite sure I can find a large number of FT'er whou can attest to that.

Would you please be so kind as to provide a link to any FlyerTalk post that I have made condoning insults, flaming and/or other activity that resulted in a member being suspended?

Doesn't this thread belong in OMNI? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

No, I will not. I am not going to waste my time finding what we both know exists.

Do these terms ring a bell?

Overexuberence misunderstood
Possibly crossed a line, but not as bad as some of the pack that is out to get him

I am paraphrasing, but not too far from exact. We both know that.

Another question: What is your stance on an FT'er who posts under a different handle while on suspension?

Changed my mind. Did not take long to find.

http://www.flyertalk.com/pasttalk/ft...ML/001591.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/pasttalk/ft...ML/002687.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/pasttalk/ft.../000754-3.html

Just 3 examples. I accept your apology in advance.

I know I shouldn't, but just couldn't resist.

Sometimes, for the sake of good health, it's just good practice to let things drop. You don't necessarily have to forget, but just let it drop. Eventually these things become unimportant (as they truly are in the scheme of things).

I remember punki and I had a disagreement a while back (cough). Don't even remember how long ago it was (cough). http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif But life is way to short for me to constantly remind myself of our disagreement. I might add, as you get older, time has a way of softening the way you remember the past. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Now if that disagreement were about something sunstantial (say, like a theft), that would be different.

So while it's important to never forget; it's also important to move on. CameraGuy, please move on. The last thing anyone wants is for any flyertalker to keep bringing up the past over and over again. (advice to self when re-reading ...)

The oldtimers remember. The new folks will just have to learn.

Written in the spirit of Flyertalk!!

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Dan,

This has nothing to do with "Moving On". This has to do with an FT'er who consistently attempts to rewrite history.

I am not willing to stand by and watch this happen.

I made every attempt to not bring up the past, but was forced to when challenged. Punki knew the threads were there, so I have no idea why she challenged me.

In my opinion, Punki's statements regarding the behaviour of other members and moderating should be taken with a grain of salt. As long as I make my thoughts known without personally attacking Punki, there is nothing wrong with what I am doing.

I am so much older than you Dan, that I don't even remember having a disagreement with you. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

You are, however, absolutely correct, life is way too short to be upset about things that are unimportant, let alone totally irrelevant, like someone you don't know, and never will know, being upset about something that in no way affects your life.

Go back and read those threads again, CameraGuy, carefully and without prejudice, and I think it will become clear to you that I have never condoned flaming and or insults on the part of anyone.

I do, however, like Ozstamps tremendously and honestly do believe that there was a time when he was treated unfairly. To be perfectly fair, there have also been times when he was a royal PITA, but I haven't seen much of that lately, so it would seem that he has moved on. Good for him!!! Growth is good.

If, however, CameraGuy, it brings you some sort of satisfaction to continue to be upset with him for something he did years ago, or with me for discovering early on that he is one heck of a neat guy (who is soley responsible for getting Hunki and I free flies on the Concorde), http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif please feel free to go for it.

Personally I think it is grand waste of time and energy to be upset about anything much less than cancer, death and/or taxes, so I will simply wish you well in your endeavors, turn on my Ignore User switch back and go out and enjoy myself. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Try to be as Happy as possible every day, you certainly won't get any reruns. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Punki

P.S. Ignore User switch is now on.

[This message has been edited by Punki (edited Nov 18, 2003).]

I had no desire to make this about any one FT'er. You did that.

As long as you continue to rewrite history, I will shine the light.

Been away from the boards for a while.

Excuse me for dropping in - I had the silly idea this thread was about a current thread in Miles Buzz. Must have been mistaken. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Last time i checked, it still was. One member of FT made a statement I think to be a stretch of the truth.

I challenged that statement, said member went on a tangent.

So you're still sore about getting banned from More Miles, eh Camera? Give it a rest already. You're not generating any sympathy from anybody by going after Punki.

[This message has been edited by OttoGraham (edited Nov 18, 2003).]

Wow, that took longer than usual.

Posting knwingly false information is a violation of the TOS.

I was NEVER banned or suspended from the pathetic little site. I ASKED to be unregistered due to the biased cowardly moderating.

But, you already knew that.

To be perfectly accurate, OttoGraham, no one has ever been banned from More Miles. There have been folks suspended but, although he had several posts edited, I do not believe that CameraGuy was among them, IIRC.

I am confusing my bulletin boards, of course. That Alzheimers is getting to me.

Of course, we do know that CameraGuy was permanently banned from posting on FlyerTalk on May 8, 2001.

Sorry for confusing things. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif



[This message has been edited by OttoGraham (edited Nov 18, 2003).]

To bring page 2 of this thread back to the actual topic again, I'd be amused to see what amount of billable legal hours have been involved in the last few pages of the referenced thread. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

A few First Class revenue tickets to Europe worth right there is my guess. Never knew FT hosted so many qualified attorneys. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../009531-8.html

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~ Glen ~ sipping bubbly from UA 747-400 exit row 15A near you SOON!

In the interests of accuracy, Mikesilv needs to read the thread again. The quotation cited above was not made by PineyBob about QL but by PineyBob about Mr Gitomer, who is not (yet?!) a participant on the thread. Incidentally, the thread carries the word pee rather than p*ss.

There may have been another flame in the thread, this time by PineyBob about QL, but it has already been edited out so we cannot know.

Both PB and QL seemed to have calmed down now, and the conversation continues at a muted level. I suggest that there is no need for timeout. Until the facts debated in the referenced thread actually become clear, there's no point in getting ourselves upset about it.

With reference to the public spat between Punki and CameraGuy, can I suggest that we all display different facets of our personalities on different occasions. Sometimes they're attractive, sometimes they're less than attractive. Sometimes they're face-to-face, sometimes they're online or in print. Mr Gitomer seems to be a prime example of this.

Jungian psychology would say that the things we like least about others are precisely the things present in our own dark side that we don't want to acknowledge. So, whether it's Punki or CameraGuy or Ozstamps or Gitomer or anyone else, beware of pouncing on the less attractive aspects when they sneak in (as they sometimes do): your pouncing only serves to prove that part of you is like that too.....

<sermon off> http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

(edited for typos by 1P)

[This message has been edited by 1P (edited Nov 19, 2003).]

As long as we're off-topic: Glen, how do you always know when a topic is about to go on to the next page?

1P, to be perfectly accurate, the statement made by PineyBob on November 14th at 11:16 p.m., was:

Sounds quite clearly directed to QuietLion to me. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/eek.gif

OBTW, Jungian psychology notwithstanding, I have read FlyerTalk almost daily for about 5 years now and I honestly do not recall a single incident where either QuietLion or I have ever exposed the negative side of our personalities (not to say that we don't have negative sides, but we are smart enough not to display them in public for the whole wide world) http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif .

OK, there was a time when my dear friend Ozstamps acted a great deal like an exuberant Australian (duh? isn't that exactly what he is?), but he now appears to have been tamed to behave like an almost politically correct new century American. Is this necessarily a good thing???

gleff, I have no clue how Ozstamps knows the things he knows, but have just come to accept the fact that ozstamps, much like QuietLion, is a quirky genius. I don't worry or wonder about their talents anymore, but just try to benefit from their truly astounding insights.

They have both offered me great knowledge which has resulted in planting my tired old bottom in first more times that I can recall, even on the Concorde once, and in elegant suites all around the world, more times than I can recall. OK, I am a true capitalist, and/or hedonist.

Got to love the amazing free advice you can pick up on the internet. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif



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