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KathyWdrf Aug 29, 2003 9:07 pm

Questionable contest results???
 
Did the winner (ptpinit) cast his/her vote five days or more ahead of the actual date?

If so, why didn't their handle appear in the list, sorted by date/time? I took a copy of a couple pages of the list (with August 28-30 dates) earlier today and greagseattle's guess was the closest in time (4:20 PM). ptpinit's entry does not appear on it.

So, either the display of entries was incorrect (or not sorted correctly), or the winner put in a guess at the last minute. (The contest rules required entry at least five days before the actual date of the 2,000,000th post.)


Kathy

KathyWdrf Aug 29, 2003 9:28 pm

The interesting thing is, ptpinit's entry DOES appear now on www.flyertalk.com/contest .
This suggests that his/her entry was made at the last minute.

Also, the contest rules themselves state: "The five day date and time will be made public at the time the winner is announced." I don't see any mention of this in the announcement, though!


Kathy

ozstamps Aug 29, 2003 10:37 pm



The Florida Electorial Commission is working on this as we speak. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

ozstamps Aug 29, 2003 11:12 pm

Disclaimer - my math is so hopeless I was a week or more out. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

I think 2 million posts is a superb and impressive milestone, and who posted WHEN - to me is not the important part of it. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thumbsup.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thumbsup.gif

However, without making any editorial comment whatever on this post or the accuracy of it, made August 28, at 7.35pm, ... I paste it here unedited:


http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/009210.html



<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by bLuJaay:

List of contestants who have guessed tomorrow as the date:

MatthewClement August 29, 2003 - 5:35am
veryfewmiles August 29, 2003 - 7:11am
highflyer88 August 29, 2003 - 7:20am
IndustrialPatent August 29, 2003 - 8:47am
chexfan August 29, 2003 - 9:16am
kid August 29, 2003 - 9:18am
timf August 29, 2003 - 9:32am
KathyWdrf August 29, 2003 - 10:25am
B747-437B August 29, 2003 - 10:37am
El Cid August 29, 2003 - 11:10am
pmcg August 29, 2003 - 12:13pm
pz August 29, 2003 - 12:25pm
seat 50J August 29, 2003 - 1:14pm
anim8r August 29, 2003 - 2:11pm
Comicwoman August 29, 2003 - 3:03pm
JAWS_II August 29, 2003 - 3:21pm
BoSoxFan45 August 29, 2003 - 3:47pm
xchow August 29, 2003 - 3:50pm
gregseattle August 29, 2003 - 4:20pm
ScottC August 29, 2003 - 5:17pm
jimc_usa August 29, 2003 - 6:00pm
luxurio August 29, 2003 - 7:07pm
eviltwin August 29, 2003 - 7:30pm
TravelWeary August 29, 2003 - 7:48pm
ORD1Kguy August 29, 2003 - 7:54pm
Mac Attack August 29, 2003 - 8:03pm
bjorn_brown August 29, 2003 - 8:15pm
roesner August 29, 2003 - 9:34pm
markbach August 29, 2003 - 11:44pm </font>

Gaucho100K Aug 29, 2003 11:20 pm

It was just a contest.... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif

KathyWdrf Aug 29, 2003 11:34 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Gaucho100K:
It was just a contest.... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif</font>
With a cash prize. Which evidently has been (or will be) awarded to someone who either didn't read the rules, or cheated.


Kathy


gleff Aug 30, 2003 4:59 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by KathyWdrf:
Which evidently has been (or will be) awarded to someone who either didn't read the rules, or cheated.</font>
Let's not jump to conclusions.

As you observed in your initial post, the explanation could also be that the data we were seeing wasn't real-time or wasn't sorting properly.

Since there are a variety of possible explanations, I think for the moment it's enough to have asked the question and flagged the issue. No doubt the question will be seen.

And then when Webflyer folks come back to their office (Tuesday?) they might clarify. In the meantime, anything more is pure speculation.

The most meaningful thing in all of this is how successful and impressive Flyertalk has become.

The introduction of a cash prize -- a very generous move by Randy -- is just another element that builds excitement.

Let's just wait and see what happened.

Gaucho100K Aug 30, 2003 7:41 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by KathyWdrf:
Which evidently has been (or will be) awarded to someone who either didn't read the rules, or cheated.
</font>
Thats quite a bold statement... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/eek.gif

Should you not have some solid proof before saying something like that... ???!!!!!

ptpinit Aug 30, 2003 10:59 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by KathyWdrf:
Did the winner (ptpinit) cast his/her vote five days or more ahead of the actual date?

If so, why didn't their handle appear in the list, sorted by date/time? I took a copy of a couple pages of the list (with August 28-30 dates) earlier today and greagseattle's guess was the closest in time (4:20 PM). ptpinit's entry does not appear on it.

So, either the display of entries was incorrect (or not sorted correctly), or the winner put in a guess at the last minute. (The contest rules required entry at least five days before the actual date of the 2,000,000th post.)


Kathy
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Don't worry KathyWdrf, I have already emailed Randy and alerted him to this matter. It will get resolved correctly and honestly.

flamboyant 1 Aug 30, 2003 2:29 pm

You deserve the fair-play price!

When did you post your guess ?

KathyWdrf Aug 30, 2003 2:53 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by flamboyant 1:
When did you post your guess ?</font>
I posted my guess on August 23, 2003, approximately 2:37 AM MT.

(Too bad the time/date that each entry was made wasn't displayed also.)


Kathy

P.S.: In case there was any ambiguity in my post above, the word "evidently" has two meanings: 1) "clearly or obviously;" 2) "on the basis of available evidence." I meant the latter definition, of course. See www.m-w.com , the Merriam-Webster Dictionary online.

Wingnut Aug 31, 2003 5:51 am

I just entered my guess...

dhammer53 Aug 31, 2003 11:14 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gleff:
Let's not jump to conclusions.

And then when Webflyer folks come back to their office (Tuesday?)
</font>
Gary,

By Tuesday, this post will be 6 pages long. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Thanks to the winner for shedding some light on this situation.
I'm still waiting for all those losers to complain about how Omni's clsoing affected their winning time. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/tongue.gif

Dan


ScottC Aug 31, 2003 11:20 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by dhammer53:
Gary,

By Tuesday, this post will be 6 pages long. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Thanks to the winner for shedding some light on this situation.
I'm still waiting for all those losers to complain about how Omni's clsoing affected their winning time. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/tongue.gif

Dan

</font>
Closing Omni actually HELPED me get my guess closer to the actual winning time http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Perhaps people will now claim I was behind getting Omni closed http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

KathyWdrf Aug 31, 2003 2:24 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ScottC:
Closing Omni actually HELPED me get my guess closer to the actual winning time http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Perhaps people will now claim I was behind getting Omni closed http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif
</font>
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

I thought so all along!!! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Actually, it was markbach!!!

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif


Kathy http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif



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