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Aug 25, 2003 | 4:19 pm
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Randy,
I understand your position, but have one "problem".
In my opinion, opening OMNI up to a "select" few members is a BAD idea. All members of FT should be treated as equally as possible.
Just as I disagree with the "Advisory Board" and it's very secret nature, I disagree with the idea of a group of people who are "better suited" to return to OMNI.
I understand your position, but have one "problem".
In my opinion, opening OMNI up to a "select" few members is a BAD idea. All members of FT should be treated as equally as possible.
Just as I disagree with the "Advisory Board" and it's very secret nature, I disagree with the idea of a group of people who are "better suited" to return to OMNI.
Aug 25, 2003 | 4:20 pm
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OMNI was a fun forum although I must admit I did more reading than posting 
Aug 25, 2003 | 4:27 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CameraGuy:
Just as I disagree with the "Advisory Board" and it's very secret nature....</font>
Just as I disagree with the "Advisory Board" and it's very secret nature....</font>
Aug 25, 2003 | 4:32 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by techgirl:
You disagree with it yet you are running for it?
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You disagree with it yet you are running for it?
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Aug 25, 2003 | 4:37 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ScottC:
Advisory Board IS NOT Talk Board.
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Advisory Board IS NOT Talk Board.
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The TalkBoard is one method of receiving advice. Hopefully the members of the TB will offer content that Randy finds useful.
Aug 25, 2003 | 4:50 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gleff:
Randy can ask whomever he wants for advice, and listen to whomever he chooses from among those offering advice.
The TalkBoard is one method of receiving advice. Hopefully the members of the TB will offer content that Randy finds useful.</font>
Randy can ask whomever he wants for advice, and listen to whomever he chooses from among those offering advice.
The TalkBoard is one method of receiving advice. Hopefully the members of the TB will offer content that Randy finds useful.</font>
Aug 25, 2003 | 4:58 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by techgirl:
You disagree with it yet you are running for it?
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You disagree with it yet you are running for it?
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As ScottC has already pointed out, I am referring to the Advisory Board (Whatever that is). NOT the TalkBoard.
Aug 25, 2003 | 5:10 pm
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I respect the opinion of RP but hope that OMNI does come back sometime in the future. If not, sadly I know I will drift away from FT altogether as that is what kept me coming back for more.
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Aug 25, 2003 | 5:32 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ScottC:
HUH?? Gary, my answer was in reference to the question from Techgirl, I was merely pointing out that Cameraguy is running for the talkboard and that is not the same as the advisory board...</font>
HUH?? Gary, my answer was in reference to the question from Techgirl, I was merely pointing out that Cameraguy is running for the talkboard and that is not the same as the advisory board...</font>
It seemed as though CameraGuy was criticizing the idea of the Advisory Board (which, as you point out, is different than the TalkBoard). And I was just saying that Randy can take advice from and listen to whomever he chooses.
Sorry if it seemed as though my comment was directed at you (it wasn't).
Cheers,
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Aug 25, 2003 | 5:34 pm
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Okay, Randy. Whatever. It seems rash and a bit of overkill, IMO, to cave in to those who wish to pull the plug on OMNI just because they can't always get their way.
To me, FT is 1. travel/miles talk; and 2. OMNI, and the issues (whatever those issues pertain to) are the most important thing, above and beyond us as individuals - anonplz, docsucksbigtime (or whatever), etc. People come and go, squabbles play out, but "at the end of the day" there are still issues to discuss, and if you can't discuss them here amongst a friendly, intelligent group, there are indeed other places to do it. I enjoyed doing it here, because not only do I enjoy discussing issues which are important to me with other intelligent people, but also because, believe it or not, I love traveling, and like keeping that hobby close to my surf-habits. I also feel kind of like I've gotten to actually know people who participate here, even though I've never, ever met any FTer in the flesh (to my knowledge).
Anyway, it would be great if you decided to bring it back! I like the idea about giving more time-out power to moderators, so that even if they don't make money doing it, the power they get from doing it can be compensation itself.
To me, FT is 1. travel/miles talk; and 2. OMNI, and the issues (whatever those issues pertain to) are the most important thing, above and beyond us as individuals - anonplz, docsucksbigtime (or whatever), etc. People come and go, squabbles play out, but "at the end of the day" there are still issues to discuss, and if you can't discuss them here amongst a friendly, intelligent group, there are indeed other places to do it. I enjoyed doing it here, because not only do I enjoy discussing issues which are important to me with other intelligent people, but also because, believe it or not, I love traveling, and like keeping that hobby close to my surf-habits. I also feel kind of like I've gotten to actually know people who participate here, even though I've never, ever met any FTer in the flesh (to my knowledge).
Anyway, it would be great if you decided to bring it back! I like the idea about giving more time-out power to moderators, so that even if they don't make money doing it, the power they get from doing it can be compensation itself.
Aug 25, 2003 | 5:39 pm
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Gary,
I was not critisizing the idea of an Advisory Board, just the secret nature of it.
Who is on this advisory board?
What is their agenda?
Do they speak for all FT'ers, or just a clique?
IMHO, Randy should do everything possible to discourage cliques. Allowing "select" people to post in a secret "Advisory Board" forum, or OMNI is a bad idea.
I was not critisizing the idea of an Advisory Board, just the secret nature of it.
Who is on this advisory board?
What is their agenda?
Do they speak for all FT'ers, or just a clique?
IMHO, Randy should do everything possible to discourage cliques. Allowing "select" people to post in a secret "Advisory Board" forum, or OMNI is a bad idea.
Aug 25, 2003 | 5:39 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gleff:
Scott, my post was not a criticism of you! (Sorry if it seemed otherwise?)
It seemed as though CameraGuy was criticizing the idea of the Advisory Board (which, as you point out, is different than the TalkBoard). And I was just saying that Randy can take advice from and listen to whomever he chooses.
Sorry if it seemed as though my comment was directed at you (it wasn't).
Cheers,
Gary</font>
Scott, my post was not a criticism of you! (Sorry if it seemed otherwise?)
It seemed as though CameraGuy was criticizing the idea of the Advisory Board (which, as you point out, is different than the TalkBoard). And I was just saying that Randy can take advice from and listen to whomever he chooses.
Sorry if it seemed as though my comment was directed at you (it wasn't).
Cheers,
Gary</font>
Aug 25, 2003 | 5:43 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Doppy:
* * * maybe there should be a minimum number of posts new members have to reach before they can post in OMNI.
At least if people have to post 50 or 100 or whatever posts on the rest of FT before you're allowed to post in OMNI, it will cut down on the trolls who register a new account just to be jerks. * * *
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* * * maybe there should be a minimum number of posts new members have to reach before they can post in OMNI.
At least if people have to post 50 or 100 or whatever posts on the rest of FT before you're allowed to post in OMNI, it will cut down on the trolls who register a new account just to be jerks. * * *
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How about also ruling out of order on OMNI the meta-posting (e.g., posting 8 or 10 new topics simply to make a point about someone else's topic) and encouraging the OMNI moderators to not just lock them but to delete them?
Aug 25, 2003 | 5:51 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CameraGuy:
Who is on this advisory board?</font>
Who is on this advisory board?</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">What is their agenda?</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Do they speak for all FT'ers, or just a clique?</font>
FWIW, I am not on the Advisory Board. But it seems to me that using a forum for a group of informal advisors seems to be a technical convenience, rather than forcing everyone to have ongoing discussions by email.
I guess it could be accomplished MORE secretly (use a different URL) in order to not be so obtrusive...
Randy has chosen to ask a closely held group for input. That's certainly his right! And for technical convenience, he's created a forum for that group's discussion.
I'm not sure where I would even have the grounds to complain about such a thing? Seems eminently within Randy's purview...
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Allowing "select" people to post in a secret "Advisory Board" forum, or OMNI is a bad idea.</font>
TalkBoard members have their own forum. Only Talkboard members get to post there.
The good news: there are nearly 2 million posts that all FTers have access to.
Aug 25, 2003 | 6:00 pm
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I have no problem whatsoever with Randy asking for or inviting advise.
My problem is with the secretive/clique nature.
Just as I have a problem with allowing "Select" members to have access to OMNI.
It invites cliques. And lord knows FT already has enough of those.
My problem is with the secretive/clique nature.
Just as I have a problem with allowing "Select" members to have access to OMNI.
It invites cliques. And lord knows FT already has enough of those.