Feedback on Proposed FlyerTalk Program Levels
Jun 4, 1999 | 12:44 am
#61
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Hear-eye-goe mak point. knot guud won tho. arturo wan to kno who es goin to reed posties an desid ef they guud or bad an thin gev postor kubos an mimbershep lebel?
arturo awlredy two bizy two doo thes fore awl posties hear. mebe randy hire tin or leben peepl to doo thes job.
arturo awlredy two bizy two doo thes fore awl posties hear. mebe randy hire tin or leben peepl to doo thes job.
Jun 4, 1999 | 12:55 am
#62
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OK, Madame Tree, yes I do admire your pajamas and especially the T-1 in there.
Perhaps y'all are right about the graphics debilitating the server. The Texas Ranger knows the server has suffered enough lately. So, JAWs still votes for "no levels".
Perhaps y'all are right about the graphics debilitating the server. The Texas Ranger knows the server has suffered enough lately. So, JAWs still votes for "no levels".
Jun 4, 1999 | 2:52 pm
#63
Commander Catcop
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And I vote for NO STARS...
*A post may be outstanding or significant for some but not for all.
*Stars belong with Starwood, not this software (It may crash it.)
*I thought stars went out with kindergarden (I never went, that's just what I've heard.)
OK, not more furry clutter.
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MEOW! MEOW! MEOW!!!
*A post may be outstanding or significant for some but not for all.
*Stars belong with Starwood, not this software (It may crash it.)
*I thought stars went out with kindergarden (I never went, that's just what I've heard.)
OK, not more furry clutter.
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MEOW! MEOW! MEOW!!!
Jun 4, 1999 | 2:57 pm
#64
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I am with you Catman - against stars on this board.
I am opposed to you Catman - don't underestimate a Kindergarten (my oldest daughter is a Kindergarten teacher!)
I am opposed to you Catman - don't underestimate a Kindergarten (my oldest daughter is a Kindergarten teacher!)
Jun 4, 1999 | 3:37 pm
#65
Commander Catcop
Join Date: May 1998
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Rudi... I will write you an apology about kindergarten.
I think it's very very very very important.
The problem was when I first entered school I tested so well the school said I was beyond kindergarten and put me in the first grade.
And I think the kindergartens in Europe are so much more interesting and the children probably learn more than in some U-S variations.
In Vienna it was the Kindergarten students who helped me find the right street car to where I was going!
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MEOW! MEOW! MEOW!!!
I think it's very very very very important.
The problem was when I first entered school I tested so well the school said I was beyond kindergarten and put me in the first grade.
And I think the kindergartens in Europe are so much more interesting and the children probably learn more than in some U-S variations.
In Vienna it was the Kindergarten students who helped me find the right street car to where I was going!
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MEOW! MEOW! MEOW!!!
Jun 4, 1999 | 5:27 pm
#66
Join Date: Jan 1999
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I say just include the number of posts under the name. You can always use hex to keep some people happy :-)
Jun 5, 1999 | 9:27 am
#67
Join Date: May 1999
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Welllll.... I don't think I made my point.
The point is not "stars.."
It is recognizing something of value.
How many quick posts will it take from how many new members to clutter the boards beyond the point anyone wants to read them?
The point is not "stars.."
It is recognizing something of value.
How many quick posts will it take from how many new members to clutter the boards beyond the point anyone wants to read them?
Jun 5, 1999 | 6:15 pm
#68
Join Date: Feb 1999
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Hmmmmmm. That would be a problem. Maybe a new forum should be created for meaningless posts. These posts would count towards the elite levels but would be in a place where nobody would have to bother going to.
Jun 5, 1999 | 11:26 pm
#69
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Well, if a "Meaningless Posts" category is created, wouldn't it seem logical to create a category like "There is Some Question About These Posts" and a category "These Posts are Meaningful". And the artificial intelligence of the FT Server could decide how to categorize the posts. YEAH, RIGHT!!!
OK Randy, Sorry I had to post a "Meaningless Post" to show how ridiculous some of these posts really are. Let's just lock this thread and, as we say in Texas, "Get On With It!!!"
OK Randy, Sorry I had to post a "Meaningless Post" to show how ridiculous some of these posts really are. Let's just lock this thread and, as we say in Texas, "Get On With It!!!"
Jun 6, 1999 | 1:40 am
#70
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OK, I'll delurk on this one, even though I think Here-I-Go said it best.
There's an old rule in government bureaucracy - if you reward something, you encourage it; therefore be careful to specify what exactly you are rewarding. If (as Randy says) the only criterion the software will recognize is quantity, if you reward quantity then quantity is what you will get.
If that's all you want (like some sites strive for "hits" by adding a list of words so search engines will pick them up even though the words have nothing to do with the subject of the site), then set levels based on number of posts. You will find the number of posts will increase.
However, quantity is not quality, and indeed can reduce quality with clutter - "chaff" if you will - generated by those who are posting like crazy for the simple sake of running up their numbers. We do not have a problem with that now (well, not a big problem, although occasionally it does seem that some "junior" members strive mightily to remove the perceived "stigma" associated with that status), but we sure will if quantity is the sole criterion for elite status.
And I don't see how we could equitably add quality as a criterion. It is simply quite subjective, especially on the "iffy" cases. Arturo's suggestion, tongue in cheek though it might have been, was (as usual) right on. We would need an arbiter acceptable to the community, and arturo (clearly acceptable, I would say) has wisely declined. Would we need also an appellate body to review the arbiter's decisions in close cases? If so who, and under what standards? What I may see as frivolous another may see as deep insight.
And we would undoubtedly get embroiled in second-order fusses about the quality or lack thereof in a particular post instead of focussing on the end-all and be-all, => MORE MILES. The result would likely be lower quality discourse on the main point of the Board instead of improved participation.
So, I come down on the side of no elites. However, just as a new driver in many countries displays a symbol to tell others to show him (or her) more consideration, so also it might be useful to have some designation for the newly-arrived to our community - not as a stigma, but as a service. Maybe it's the name (and the connotations appurtenant thereto) that is the problem. Maybe change "junior member" to "Honored visitor" or some such.
As for me, I'd be satisfied with nice distinctive luggage tags.
There's an old rule in government bureaucracy - if you reward something, you encourage it; therefore be careful to specify what exactly you are rewarding. If (as Randy says) the only criterion the software will recognize is quantity, if you reward quantity then quantity is what you will get.
If that's all you want (like some sites strive for "hits" by adding a list of words so search engines will pick them up even though the words have nothing to do with the subject of the site), then set levels based on number of posts. You will find the number of posts will increase.
However, quantity is not quality, and indeed can reduce quality with clutter - "chaff" if you will - generated by those who are posting like crazy for the simple sake of running up their numbers. We do not have a problem with that now (well, not a big problem, although occasionally it does seem that some "junior" members strive mightily to remove the perceived "stigma" associated with that status), but we sure will if quantity is the sole criterion for elite status.
And I don't see how we could equitably add quality as a criterion. It is simply quite subjective, especially on the "iffy" cases. Arturo's suggestion, tongue in cheek though it might have been, was (as usual) right on. We would need an arbiter acceptable to the community, and arturo (clearly acceptable, I would say) has wisely declined. Would we need also an appellate body to review the arbiter's decisions in close cases? If so who, and under what standards? What I may see as frivolous another may see as deep insight.
And we would undoubtedly get embroiled in second-order fusses about the quality or lack thereof in a particular post instead of focussing on the end-all and be-all, => MORE MILES. The result would likely be lower quality discourse on the main point of the Board instead of improved participation.
So, I come down on the side of no elites. However, just as a new driver in many countries displays a symbol to tell others to show him (or her) more consideration, so also it might be useful to have some designation for the newly-arrived to our community - not as a stigma, but as a service. Maybe it's the name (and the connotations appurtenant thereto) that is the problem. Maybe change "junior member" to "Honored visitor" or some such.
As for me, I'd be satisfied with nice distinctive luggage tags.
Jun 6, 1999 | 6:46 am
#71
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OK, I'll delurk on this one, even though I think Here-I-Go said it best.
There's an old rule in government bureaucracy - if you reward something, you encourage it; therefore be careful to specify what exactly you are rewarding. If (as Randy says) the only criterion the software will recognize is quantity, if you reward quantity then quantity is what you will get.
If that's all you want (like some sites strive for "hits" by adding a list of words so search engines will pick them up even though the words have nothing to do with the subject of the site), then set levels based on number of posts. You will find the number of posts will increase.
However, quantity is not quality, and indeed can reduce quality with clutter - "chaff" if you will - generated by those who are posting like crazy for the simple sake of running up their numbers. We do not have a problem with that now (well, not a big problem, although occasionally it does seem that some "junior" members strive mightily to remove the perceived "stigma" associated with that status), but we sure will if quantity is the sole criterion for elite status.
And I don't see how we could equitably add quality as a criterion. It is simply quite subjective, especially on the "iffy" cases. Arturo's suggestion, tongue in cheek though it might have been, was (as usual) right on. We would need an arbiter acceptable to the community, and arturo (clearly acceptable, I would say) has wisely declined. Would we need also an appellate body to review the arbiter's decisions in close cases? If so who, and under what standards? What I may see as frivolous another may see as deep insight.
And we would undoubtedly get embroiled in second-order fusses about the quality or lack thereof in a particular post instead of focussing on the end-all and be-all, => MORE MILES. The result would likely be lower quality discourse on the main point of the Board instead of improved participation.
So, I come down on the side of no elites. However, just as a new driver in many countries displays a symbol to tell others to show him (or her) more consideration, so also it might be useful to have some designation for the newly-arrived to our community - not as a stigma, but as a service. Maybe it's the name (and the connotations appurtenant thereto) that is the problem. Maybe change "junior member" to "Honored visitor" or some such.
As for me, I'd be satisfied with nice distinctive luggage tags.
There's an old rule in government bureaucracy - if you reward something, you encourage it; therefore be careful to specify what exactly you are rewarding. If (as Randy says) the only criterion the software will recognize is quantity, if you reward quantity then quantity is what you will get.
If that's all you want (like some sites strive for "hits" by adding a list of words so search engines will pick them up even though the words have nothing to do with the subject of the site), then set levels based on number of posts. You will find the number of posts will increase.
However, quantity is not quality, and indeed can reduce quality with clutter - "chaff" if you will - generated by those who are posting like crazy for the simple sake of running up their numbers. We do not have a problem with that now (well, not a big problem, although occasionally it does seem that some "junior" members strive mightily to remove the perceived "stigma" associated with that status), but we sure will if quantity is the sole criterion for elite status.
And I don't see how we could equitably add quality as a criterion. It is simply quite subjective, especially on the "iffy" cases. Arturo's suggestion, tongue in cheek though it might have been, was (as usual) right on. We would need an arbiter acceptable to the community, and arturo (clearly acceptable, I would say) has wisely declined. Would we need also an appellate body to review the arbiter's decisions in close cases? If so who, and under what standards? What I may see as frivolous another may see as deep insight.
And we would undoubtedly get embroiled in second-order fusses about the quality or lack thereof in a particular post instead of focussing on the end-all and be-all, => MORE MILES. The result would likely be lower quality discourse on the main point of the Board instead of improved participation.
So, I come down on the side of no elites. However, just as a new driver in many countries displays a symbol to tell others to show him (or her) more consideration, so also it might be useful to have some designation for the newly-arrived to our community - not as a stigma, but as a service. Maybe it's the name (and the connotations appurtenant thereto) that is the problem. Maybe change "junior member" to "Honored visitor" or some such.
As for me, I'd be satisfied with nice distinctive luggage tags.
Jun 6, 1999 | 9:25 am
#72
Commander Catcop
Join Date: May 1998
Posts: 10,259
Or instead of any titles for any new member we can have the connotation "WELCOME!" to show the older FlyerTalkers that this is a new people we should make feel welcome.
I know it's a wierd title but it's better than Junior Member. Makes the newbees sound like children.
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MEOW! MEOW! MEOW!!!
I know it's a wierd title but it's better than Junior Member. Makes the newbees sound like children.
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MEOW! MEOW! MEOW!!!
Jun 6, 1999 | 10:11 am
#73
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Catman- does that mean that after some many contributions, one is no longer "welcome"?
In some cases I agree with that!
In some cases I agree with that!
Jun 6, 1999 | 10:59 am
#74
Commander Catcop
Join Date: May 1998
Posts: 10,259
No ranles... what I meant is after a certain number of postings you have established yourself as a member of Flyertalk and then you can join us and help welcome the new WELCOME people.
It was just a suggestion. I don't like the member titles and the number of posts title.
As I said... nothing is best!
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MEOW! MEOW! MEOW!!!
It was just a suggestion. I don't like the member titles and the number of posts title.
As I said... nothing is best!
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MEOW! MEOW! MEOW!!!
Jun 6, 1999 | 1:12 pm
#75
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Location: harbor springs, michigan, U.S.A.
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Randy,ladies and gentlemen:
You can call me what you want, junior member,senor member (thanx arturo),welcome member, or no member.
Lets get to the bottom line. We are all here to help one another with information that will improve our free ticket inventory. If some one has information and wishes to share it, I say "many thanks". Since following Flyer Talk I personally have gained knowledge and free ticket inventory that I would not have had. So, thank you...all, and call me what you you wish. I'll still read the posts and contribute my bit when appropriate.
You can call me what you want, junior member,senor member (thanx arturo),welcome member, or no member.
Lets get to the bottom line. We are all here to help one another with information that will improve our free ticket inventory. If some one has information and wishes to share it, I say "many thanks". Since following Flyer Talk I personally have gained knowledge and free ticket inventory that I would not have had. So, thank you...all, and call me what you you wish. I'll still read the posts and contribute my bit when appropriate.