Community
Wiki Posts
Search

Unethical Move by Travel Agent?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 21, 2023, 8:39 am
  #1  
Original Poster
Marriott Contributor Badge
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Bainbridge Island, WA
Posts: 9,041
Unethical Move by Travel Agent?

I apologize in advance if this is not the right forum.

I was looking into booking an Hawaiian hotel on Kauai. In my research I contacted the hotel directly as well as a Virtuoso travel agent that I have had no dealings with. ( Only an ad I saw) Both came back with rates and booking the hotel directly was the best deal and perk package for us. I wrote the travel agent and said we decided to book directly and would keep him in our rolodex for future trips.

I learned yesterday from the hotel reservation manager that the TA reached out to her asking for the commission on our booking ..." because I have been working with him for weeks". ( Several emails and one initial phone call each time explaining to him am still waiting on rates from the hotel directly) The reservations manager sensed something was off and said no and then let me know.

Having never engaged a TA before... is this typical behavior? Are they due some compensation for making a rate inquiry? I have an email ready to send to the TA saying how disappointed I am....or should I just let it go.

I
david55 is offline  
Old Jun 21, 2023, 8:42 am
  #2  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Programs: AA
Posts: 14,944
It's absolutely unethical. Merely asking for a quote doesn't make him your travel agent, doesn't obligate you to book through him, and definitely does not mean he is entitled to any commission on your bookings. I would reach out to Virtuoso and make a complaint.
SPN Lifer, Buster and Icecat like this.
wrp96 is offline  
Old Jun 21, 2023, 8:48 am
  #3  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Over the Bay Bridge, CA
Programs: Jumbo mas
Posts: 39,118
That's not right. If an agency wants to get paid no matter the booking result, it would have charged you a service/planning fee.
gaobest, SPN Lifer and wrp96 like this.
Eastbay1K is offline  
Old Jun 21, 2023, 9:12 am
  #4  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: San Francisco
Programs: GM on VX, UA, AA, HA, AS, SY; Budget Fastbreak
Posts: 28,599
I would block this agent from my life.

happy Hawaii trip!!!
bensyd, Icecat and momoflyingguy like this.
gaobest is online now  
Old Jun 21, 2023, 9:56 am
  #5  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: SEA & RDM
Programs: UA - 1MM, DL Diamond, AS MVP75, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Gold
Posts: 8,123
I could understand if the agent had helped you choose the hotel or some other service, but not just comparing rates.
gaobest likes this.
andyh64000 is offline  
Old Jun 21, 2023, 10:10 am
  #6  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 4,188
Originally Posted by david55
I apologize in advance if this is not the right forum.

I was looking into booking an Hawaiian hotel on Kauai. In my research I contacted the hotel directly as well as a Virtuoso travel agent that I have had no dealings with. ( Only an ad I saw) Both came back with rates and booking the hotel directly was the best deal and perk package for us. I wrote the travel agent and said we decided to book directly and would keep him in our rolodex for future trips.

I learned yesterday from the hotel reservation manager that the TA reached out to her asking for the commission on our booking ..." because I have been working with him for weeks". ( Several emails and one initial phone call each time explaining to him am still waiting on rates from the hotel directly) The reservations manager sensed something was off and said no and then let me know.

Having never engaged a TA before... is this typical behavior? Are they due some compensation for making a rate inquiry? I have an email ready to send to the TA saying how disappointed I am....or should I just let it go.

I
I should charge you a fee because I reply to your posting here.
Icecat, DoB840, tentseller and 2 others like this.
Mama is offline  
Old Jun 21, 2023, 11:10 am
  #7  
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: California
Programs: AA EXP...couple hotels and cars too
Posts: 4,548
Originally Posted by wrp96
It's absolutely unethical. Merely asking for a quote doesn't make him your travel agent, doesn't obligate you to book through him, and definitely does not mean he is entitled to any commission on your bookings. I would reach out to Virtuoso and make a complaint.

Agree.

Im guessing they thought you'd never find out, and the only one being 'hurt' was the hotel.

Play it right with the hotel manager (ie "I just want to make sure this will not become a problem for you if I report it") and you might be surprised at check in.
gaobest and SPN Lifer like this.
Exec_Plat is offline  
Old Jun 21, 2023, 3:26 pm
  #8  
Original Poster
Marriott Contributor Badge
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Bainbridge Island, WA
Posts: 9,041
Originally Posted by Exec_Plat
Agree.

Im guessing they thought you'd never find out, and the only one being 'hurt' was the hotel.

Play it right with the hotel manager (ie "I just want to make sure this will not become a problem for you if I report it") and you might be surprised at check in.
I actually reached out to the hotel Reservation Manager ( the one who told me about his request) to ask if I pursued this with the TA would it create any problems for them. ( The last thing I want to do is to create a uncomfortable situation for her ) She said the TA actually contacted the sales team at the hotel to make the request ( I never had any dealing with them only the manager directly as I had a connection to her) and she happened to catch it and refused his request. She asked that I not contact the TA as they would prefer that my knowledge of what happened not come from them. I understand and she was very appreciative that I reached out to her to ask. They have already upgraded us from a nice room to a suite....so I feel good.
david55 is offline  
Old Jun 21, 2023, 6:26 pm
  #9  
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: DCA, lived MCI, SEA/PDX,BUF (born/raised)
Programs: Marriott (Silver/Gold), IHG, Carlson, Best Western, Choice( Gold), AS (MVP), WN, UA
Posts: 8,912
Originally Posted by david55
I apologize in advance if this is not the right forum.

I was looking into booking an Hawaiian hotel on Kauai. In my research I contacted the hotel directly as well as a Virtuoso travel agent that I have had no dealings with. ( Only an ad I saw) Both came back with rates and booking the hotel directly was the best deal and perk package for us. I wrote the travel agent and said we decided to book directly and would keep him in our rolodex for future trips.

I learned yesterday from the hotel reservation manager that the TA reached out to her asking for the commission on our booking ..." because I have been working with him for weeks". ( Several emails and one initial phone call each time explaining to him am still waiting on rates from the hotel directly) The reservations manager sensed something was off and said no and then let me know.

Having never engaged a TA before... is this typical behavior? Are they due some compensation for making a rate inquiry? I have an email ready to send to the TA saying how disappointed I am....or should I just let it go.

I
my mom worked as a TA when they actually had roles in the 90s.

this TA doesn’t get any sort of fee.

it would be different if you contacted the TA, try gave you a list, then you booked on your own.

since your email records show you reached out to both independently before getting a replay from a TA shows you established the connection before the TA leg work.
djp98374 is offline  
Old Jun 21, 2023, 7:16 pm
  #10  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: YEG
Programs: HH Silver
Posts: 56,470
Originally Posted by djp98374
my mom worked as a TA when they actually had roles in the 90s.
As a former TA in the biz since the 90's through last year, they still have a role if not as wide a one as they once did.

What OP's TA did was beyond the pale.
wrp96, SPN Lifer, TWA884 and 1 others like this.
tcook052 is offline  
Old Jun 21, 2023, 7:35 pm
  #11  
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: PHX
Programs: UA *Alliance
Posts: 5,788
What the TA did took some major cojones on their part, but I have no idea why the hotel would feel the need to contact the OP and give them something to potentially worry about or stress over. Clearly they are if they are taking the time to post here. Hotel should have told the TA to pound sand and if you think you're due some compensation for your time and efforts, that is between you and your client.
WeekendTraveler likes this.
SWCPHX is offline  
Old Jun 21, 2023, 7:50 pm
  #12  
Original Poster
Marriott Contributor Badge
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Bainbridge Island, WA
Posts: 9,041
Originally Posted by SWCPHX
.....but I have no idea why the hotel would feel the need to contact the OP and give them something to potentially worry about or stress over.
Good point. And probably in hindsight regretted telling me which is the reason they asked me not to take it up with the TA.
david55 is offline  
Old Jun 21, 2023, 10:59 pm
  #13  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Colorado
Programs: UA Gold (.85 MM), HH Diamond, SPG Platinum (LT Gold), Hertz PC, National EE
Posts: 5,902
Originally Posted by david55
Good point. And probably in hindsight regretted telling me which is the reason they asked me not to take it up with the TA.
Personally, I’d call the TA and question them. What can they do? Zero zip nada. A good TA earns your business, not work some back door method. Tell them to go pound sand.
COSPILOT is offline  
Old Jun 21, 2023, 11:27 pm
  #14  
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: PHX
Programs: UA *Alliance
Posts: 5,788
Originally Posted by COSPILOT
Personally, I’d call the TA and question them. What can they do? Zero zip nada. A good TA earns your business, not work some back door method. Tell them to go pound sand.
Why? What outcome would you want or expect? Just don't do business with them again.
SWCPHX is offline  
Old Jun 25, 2023, 9:55 am
  #15  
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,808
Originally Posted by david55
I learned yesterday from the hotel reservation manager that the TA reached out to her asking for the commission on our booking ..." because I have been working with him for weeks". ( Several emails and one initial phone call each time explaining to him am still waiting on rates from the hotel directly) The reservations manager sensed something was off and said no and then let me know.

Having never engaged a TA before... is this typical behavior? Are they due some compensation for making a rate inquiry? I have an email ready to send to the TA saying how disappointed I am....or should I just let it go.

I
Moral of the story: when declining to do business with someone, a polite "No, thanks, that doesn't work for us" is all you should say. Don't give them unnecessary info, excuses, your actual plans, etc. Stick with just a polite "No".

Further contact with that unethical TA will only cause trouble, and they have your contact info - how many times do you want to be harassed by them? Do not contact them again.
CDTraveler is offline  


Contact Us - Manage Preferences Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.