Have a DONE5 that originated in DOH and interested in changing the tix to do a South America side trip from LAX. So, is this legal? DOH MEL HKG LAX GRU LAX LHR DOH All of these cities shown are stopovers -- ie, both times in LAX will be stopovers between the flights to/from GRU. Confirming this "side trip" is OK and doesn't require that LAX be a connection one of the two times I fly through. Recognise that this type of side trip to a different continent (HKG SYD HKG for example) as in that case one of the HKG visits would have to be a transit to a different continent rather than a stopover. Thx.

What you want do is legal
Your current ticket (without the South American side trip) must be a DONE4. Adding the side trip will change it to a DONE5. You will have to pay the fare difference between the two, and your taxes, fees and charges will be recalculated.

When visiting a continent twice (North America in your case), the requirement that one of the visits be a "transfer without stopover" was removed a year ago - see this post in this thread https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28695746-post461.html

Thanks, pandaperth!

This is totally correct, but some agents still don't know about it. If you run into trouble, ask the agent to consult tariffs. I currently have a ticket with two stop-overs in North America, going and coming from South America.

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I called AA RTW and an agent confirmed that each line can be flown only once, but multiple lines are permitted. Agent confirmed I can fly a triangular route such as SYD-PER-DRW-SYD.

I stand corrected.

Thank you for not believing me. :)

Enjoy your trip.

It's not that I didn't believe you, I just hadn't seen your reply when I called :).

I thought I saw something a few months ago saying that surface sectors and cross city connections no longer used up a sector on the overall 16 sector limit. Is this right?

No, that is not right.
The relevant rule is:The rule has been that way for a long time.

I think what you are misremembering is someone pointing out that in the case of one of the permitted origin-final destination open-jaws then a surface segment was not required to "close the jaw".

Don’t think any oneworld airline is technically capable of honouring etickets that have more than sixteen coupons. And each surface sector is represented by a voided flight coupon.

So I think this limitation will be around for a long time.

You might be thinking of a discussion some time back regarding origin-destination surface segments, which it seems do not count. So, for example, if you were to book JNB-HKG- ... -LHR-NBO, there is an implied surface segment NBO-JNB, but it doesn't count against the 16-segment limit.

equally one can start in HND and finish in NRT or anywhere else in Japan without exceeding the 16 sector rule

All these rules are really interpreted by the agent involved. Just need to find a willing agent to issue the ticket according to his/her understanding of the rule.

I find the rule quite vague in general.

2019-Jan-08 New Version of the Rule Sheet - small change only
 

2019-Jan-08 New Version of the Rule Sheet - small change only

According to diffchecker, the only change is to the list of AA-affiliated airlines
From:To:

Good to know!

Anyone have a link to the current rules? The link in this post gets a 404.

The web site got "enhanced" on Feb 1st
See this thread https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onew...-20-years.html

2019-Feb-11 New Version of the Rule Sheet
 

The rule sheet is again available on the Oneworld web site
(Home Page --> Global Travel --> Oneworld Explorer --> FAQ "How is my Fare Calculated" --> "Click here for full fare rules and conditions")

I'm not sure of the significance of this change. The following paragraph has been removed from Rule 15 "Sales restrictions"
Other than the above, there are only minor changes from the version of 2019-Jan-08, according to diffchecker)

A comment at the top:Part of Rule 4(j) has changed
From:To:Some changes to the list of affiliated airlines

Some other, very minor changes

I'd missed this.

Are the new ex-Egpypt fares interesting?

No, e.g. DONE4 US$8025.

Thanks for finding the rules again!
Reading the QF12 (JFK-SYD) with a short layover in LAX, it is ok to treat it as 1 segment within xONEx itinerary, right?

Yes ... same as the QF/BA 'direct' fights between London and Sydney/Melbourne..

Yes, it is one flight coupon. Provided you book it as a through-flight of course. If you stop for several days in LAX, it is two flights.

Yes, it is on 1 flight coupon. The layover in LAX is only about 2 hours.

Cool. Thanks.

There is no F on the North America segment, so F has to be booked as two flight coupons, one in D and the other in A

True - but it can be booked as a single segment JFK-SYD in D.

Wiki Created
 

I obviously have too much time on my hands - because I've created a wiki for this thread that lists in reverse chronological order the changes that have occurred to the Oneworld Explorer rule sheet - going back to 2009

I may well have missed some changes - so feel free to make corrections :D

2019-Mar-15 New Version of the Rule Sheet
 

I usually use diffchecker to find the changes, but for some reason this time diffchecker flags pretty much the whole document as being different (which it isn't)

So I scanned through the new version and the only change I've spotted is the removal of the highlighted words below:

Are things much the same coming up for June 2019, pandaperth?

I dunno
I don't have any insider information - I merely periodically check the on-line rule sheet for changes
However, it appears that @anabolism does have insider information - see this post

ETA
and as of this morning (June 6th) the rule sheet is unchanged
(changes usually occur around the start of the month)

Is it really D class
 

I have tried several times lately to book RTW tickets and both oneworld.com and expertflyer have shown availability in D class but BA have not agreed. I guess there is a suitably complicated reason for this but BA aren't forthcoming. Can anyone explain or point me to a post that will?

* Married segments
* Availability differs at different points of sale
* Agent confusion

Can you be more specific about your itinerary?

Don't forget possible codeshare issues.

Thanks for the comments. So specially this flight. Wanting to fly QF JFK to MEL via LAX and they say this segment is not available in D when Expertflyer says D class is available. Now, thanks to your help I think I see why. I can't make POS Belgium in Experflyer so I used France and it shows as D0 but US POS shows as D9. I guess that then is the issue.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...bc844e75eb.png

It may also be a "married segment" issue in that QF apparently requires a QF flight transPacific in order to book QF12.

Just wandering
Fred

Exactly. QF 11 and 12 cannot be booked other than as part of a TPAC itinerary.

So I already had a TPAC booked (MEL) from LAX and was connecting to that from SJC. But I needed to change the connection to JFK instead. That seems to me to be a correct booking (i.e. JFK>LAX>MEL....). No?