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Old Mar 20, 2009 | 2:13 pm
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CX/AY question

I'll be travelling from ICN to HEL via HKG with CX and AY in J class. My itinerary requires an over night stay in Hong Kong (late evening arrival, early morning departure). I was wondering if either company would be willing to provide me a hotel room or have a special promotion for that considering that I am travelling in business class and it is a ICN-HEL fare requiring a stopover.
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Old Mar 20, 2009 | 2:38 pm
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No, not that I am aware of. Are you flying on a day there is no direct flight?
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Old Mar 20, 2009 | 9:54 pm
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CX offers stopover packages through CX Holidays. Maybe get one of those, the rates are not unreasonable.
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Originally Posted by teme
I'll be travelling from ICN to HEL via HKG with CX and AY in J class. My itinerary requires an over night stay in Hong Kong (late evening arrival, early morning departure). I was wondering if either company would be willing to provide me a hotel room or have a special promotion for that considering that I am travelling in business class and it is a ICN-HEL fare requiring a stopover.
A volontary itenerary schedule with overnight connection, when other flights avaible, without overnight stay, no airline will feel obliged to pay your hotel stay.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 11:46 am
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So, I'm planning a DONE4 and have a similar dilemma to the OP, so I'll tack it on to this thread:

Basically, I can put together an itinerary with CX flying the Europe->Asia leg, but as a result I'll end up stuck in one of ICN, NRT or PVG overnight. Alternatively, I could fly on the AY nonstop to ICN and save the overnight.

Having never flown either CX or AY, I'm left to wonder: is CX's business class product sufficiently better that it's worth an extra overnight to choose it versus AY?
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by jordyn
So, I'm planning a DONE4 and have a similar dilemma to the OP, so I'll tack it on to this thread:

Basically, I can put together an itinerary with CX flying the Europe->Asia leg, but as a result I'll end up stuck in one of ICN, NRT or PVG overnight. Alternatively, I could fly on the AY nonstop to ICN and save the overnight.

Having never flown either CX or AY, I'm left to wonder: is CX's business class product sufficiently better that it's worth an extra overnight to choose it versus AY?
Extremely variable opinions, but mine is that the current CX J product is not especially comfortable. I haven't flown in longhaul J on AY (the new seats get fairly good reviews) but in your shoes I would probably take AY and avoid the overnight hassle. Could you save a net segment by doing so?

If you do decide to overnight someplace, I'd pick NRT as the airport hotels there are generally very inexpensive compared to other locations.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 2:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
Extremely variable opinions, but mine is that the current CX J product is not especially comfortable...
If you are substantial around the waist, the CX seat will prevent undue movement in turbulence. If you sleep on your side and are happy to stay on one side all night, then the CX seat will be fine. If you like to look out the window, avoid CX. If you want high partitions between seats that even someone at 188 cm struggles to see over when seated (to converse with their partner), then go for CX.

Sorry, not positive about this product. BUT, if you can get on a CX A340 with old long haul business class, you'll be fine.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 2:46 pm
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Is the CX seat substantially narrower than the NZ/VS seat? I find the NZ seat to be the most comfortable business class seat that I have tried, so I was perhaps optimistically hoping that the superficial similarities between the design of the seats would translate into similar levels of comfort as well...
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 3:02 pm
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I thought HKG-ICN will be on a regional J aircraft? In which case, the seat will be average at best (and I'm being generous here).

Is there a HKG-ICN on long-haul J?
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 3:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Leumas
I thought HKG-ICN will be on a regional J aircraft? In which case, the seat will be average at best (and I'm being generous here).

Is there a HKG-ICN on long-haul J?
I'm comparing doing something like LHR->HEL->ICN to LHR->HKG->ICN, so the useful comparison would be on the HEL->ICN sector versus something like LHR->HKG.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 3:46 pm
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PVG is a suitable overnight option because of the two new hotels between terminals 1 and 2 plus the quick Maglev connection to eastern parts of the city.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 3:50 pm
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Originally Posted by jordyn
I'm comparing doing something like LHR->HEL->ICN to LHR->HKG->ICN, so the useful comparison would be on the HEL->ICN sector versus something like LHR->HKG.
Sorry, I wasn't specifically referring to your post. My point was that if HKG-ICN is on regional J, rerouting to experience CX and having to overnight at HKG is not worth it, especially if a direct HEL-ICN is available.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 4:26 pm
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Originally Posted by jordyn
I'm comparing doing something like LHR->HEL->ICN to LHR->HKG->ICN, so the useful comparison would be on the HEL->ICN sector versus something like LHR->HKG.
In this circumstance I'd probably opt either for LHR HEL ICN, or more likely LHR BA NRT JL ICN.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 5:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
In this circumstance I'd probably opt either for LHR HEL ICN, or more likely LHR BA NRT JL ICN.
Unfortunately, the connections through NRT also end up requiring an overnight in Asia. AY through HEL is the only flight that can make the connections in ICN that I need.

(I think, all things being equal, I'd opt for CX over BA since I haven't tried CX in business, whereas I have/have had considerably more opportunity with BA.)
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Old Mar 24, 2009 | 3:21 am
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I do know that AY is making an extra effort to keep biz class passengers happy on the ICN and NRT flights. The experience is rather nice on the 343.
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