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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 10:05 pm
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DONE4 ex-ICN, first flight as surface segment?

Hello all,

Am looking to book a DONE4 ex-ICN and am wondering whether I can have the first segment ICN-HKG or ICN-NRT as a surface segment, and avoid having to actually fly into ICN and overnight it prior to starting the DONE4?

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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 10:22 pm
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I'm going to guess not, but it's an interesting and creative idea, and I'll be very interested to see what others, more informed than I, have to say.
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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 11:24 pm
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Computer says no ......

If you try it in the online tool, it'll tell you that "Your itinerary must start with a flight segment".
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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 11:28 pm
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FWIW the MileageMonkey lets you use a surface sector on the last sector, but not on the first. I believe the origin of the XONEX is defined as the country of departure of the first flight.

I'd love to hear that it is possible though, that would be very interesting.
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Old Mar 5, 2009 | 12:59 am
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The oneworld rules state that your first segment can not be a surface segment.

Nice try
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Old Mar 5, 2009 | 3:39 am
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Well...it was worth a try!

Guess the good folks at OW figured out that game. Ahh well...guess overnighting in Seoul won't be so bad.
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Old Mar 5, 2009 | 5:25 am
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Originally Posted by ACN Consultant
Guess the good folks at OW figured out that game. Ahh well...guess overnighting in Seoul won't be so bad.
You can do HKG-ICN-HKG in one day, even in F on some days of the week.
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Old Mar 5, 2009 | 12:20 pm
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If you want to save on accommodation you could always take the red-eye in to ICN from HKG.
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Old Mar 5, 2009 | 12:49 pm
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Originally Posted by ACN Consultant
Guess the good folks at OW figured out that game. Ahh well...guess overnighting in Seoul won't be so bad.
As we (potentially) have the same issue, I'd started to look at this - it appears that (like Changi in Singapore) there is a transit hotel inside security at ICN, which should make it a lot easier.

ICN Transit Hotel
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Old Mar 5, 2009 | 4:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
You can do HKG-ICN-HKG in one day, even in F on some days of the week.
I have to get the HKG portion lined up with future biz travel as I'm based out of SYD. Although I do have a planned trip towards the middle/end of May, with corporate travel budgets squeezed, I might have to fly asiana on the direct from SYD to ICN...which means overnighting it as the flight would arrive at 18:45.
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Originally Posted by tt7
As we (potentially) have the same issue, I'd started to look at this - it appears that (like Changi in Singapore) there is a transit hotel inside security at ICN, which should make it a lot easier.

ICN Transit Hotel
Awesome. Thanks for the heads-up. I might just take up a night in this hotel.
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Old Mar 7, 2009 | 4:15 am
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Awesome. Thanks for the heads-up. I might just take up a night in this hotel.
Or the Hyatt outside which is very nice. And QF codeshare on the OZ flights and has the right hand side of the plane normally.
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 9:46 am
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Originally Posted by wijomas
The oneworld rules state that your first segment can not be a surface segment.
But can the last segment be a surface segment?

i.e. Can I end up anywhere within my continent of origin (Europe/ME) and as long as I have only used 15 segments take my 16th as a surface segment to get back to my country of origin? Could be useful...
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 11:50 am
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You must end you travel at any oneworld serviced airport in your contry of origin. There are exceptions:
(c) Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point,
except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows
(a) within the country of origin
(b) within the Middle East
(c) between the United States and Canada
(d) between HKG and China
(e) between Malaysia and SIN
(f) within Africa
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 12:13 pm
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Of Course you can just no-show for your last sector.

I did that a couple of times when flying PEK-LHRx-AUH on the old OneWorld AAward rules. This routing always meant an overnight at LHR so having bag checked to LHR instead of AUH was never disputed.

The benefit used to be, AAwards only charged the PEK-AUH Mileage..sadly that loophole was changed 1 Sept 2008
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