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Feb 9, 2009 | 3:47 am

TDB

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calculation surface miles with no direct flight availble

We are planning to do the following route (Global Explorer)

London LON
Moscow MOW (surface to Delhi)
Delhi DEL
Tokyo TYO
Hanoi HAN
Hong Kong HKG
Melbourne MEL (surface to Sydney)
sydney SYD
papeete PPT
easter island IPC
Santiago SCL (surface to RIO)
Rio de Janeiro RIO
London LON

The problem is that there is no direct flight between Moskouw and Delhi. How do they calculate the miles??

Greetings,

Fred.

Feb 9, 2009 | 3:57 am

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They would do it as if there was a direct flight on an eligible carrier. This is close to what would be calculated:
http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=m...avy&MAP-STYLE=

Are you really travelling overland MOW to DEL - what a great trip!

Feb 9, 2009 | 7:56 am

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Originally Posted by og

Are you really travelling overland MOW to DEL - what a great trip!

I know that this is the wrong forum ---- but what's you route and form(s) of transportation for your surface trip from MOW to DEL?

Feb 9, 2009 | 8:24 am

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Originally Posted by jbalmuth

I know that this is the wrong forum ---- but what's you route and form(s) of transportation for your surface trip from MOW to DEL?

The Trans Mongolian Train to Beijing. By train via Xi'an to Lhasa. Over land to Nepal and over land to Delhi. This will take about 3 to 4 months because we want to visit a lot op places and do some trekkings

Feb 9, 2009 | 9:33 am

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Originally Posted by og

Thanks for the link. With that the total is 32,405 miles....
from-to-surface-Miles
Londen-Moskou-no-1582
Moskou-Delhi-yes-2701
Delhi-Tokyo-no-3676
Tokyo-Osaka-yes-250
Osaka-Hanoi-no-2011
Hanoi-Hong Kong-no-523
Hong Kong-Melbourne-no-4596
Melbourne-Sydney-yes-447
Sydney-Papeete-no-3820
Papeete-Easter Island-no-2645
Easter Isl.-Santiago-no-2340
Santiago-Rio de Jan.-yes-1827
Rio-Londen-no-5987
Total miles = 32405

Feb 9, 2009 | 11:52 am

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I don't know how it works in OW but in *A it is the nonstop distance only if a fare is filed for that route, otherwise it is the shortest filed routing.

Feb 9, 2009 | 5:20 pm

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I don't know how it works in OW but in *A it is the nonstop distance only if a fare is filed for that route, otherwise it is the shortest filed routing.

You are probably correct, it appears to be the same for oneworld. It's not specific in the "Rules" but is specified in the "Planning your Trip" section of the Global Explorer information page:

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If you choose to travel by surface transport between two airports, the most direct flown distance between the origin and destination point of the surface sector will be counted towards your total flown mileage.

It is probably an "IATA" thing.

Feb 18, 2009 | 11:53 pm

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We've changed the route a little bit (thanks to the ticket center):

Londen-Moskou
Moskou over land to Delhi
Delhi - Hong Kong (visit Hong Kong)
Hong Kong - Hanoi (visit Vietnam)
Hanoi - Tokyo (visit Japan)
Tokyo - Sydney
Sydney - Christchurch
Christchurch over land to Auckland
Auckland - Papeete
Papeete - Easter Island
Easter Isl. - Santiago
Santiago - La Paz (visit Bolivia and Peru)
La Paz via Santiago - Rio de Jan
Rio de Jan - Londen
Total miles = 33552

Can't wait

Feb 19, 2009 | 1:21 pm

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Is this really allowed? It directly conflicts with the programme as stated on the oneworld site

http://www.oneworld.com/ow/air-trave...lobal-explorer

where we find

Planning Your Trip
Routings

...

* You may choose to travel by surface transport instead of flying, under the following conditions:
1. Within the country of origin
2. Between the USA and Canada
3. Between Hong Kong and another point in the People's Republic of China
4. Within Africa
5. Between Malaysia and Singapore

If you choose to travel by surface transport between two airports, the most direct flown distance between the origin and destination point of the surface sector will be counted towards your total flown mileage.

_____

?????

cheers,

Henry

Feb 19, 2009 | 4:10 pm

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Originally Posted by henry999

I'm no expert on the Global Explorer product and had never noticed the above wording on the One World web page - but it is in direct conflict with the wording in the Global Explorer Technical Rule Sheet:
"Rule 4

D. Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows:

(a) within country of origin
(b) between USA and Canada
(c) between HKG and China
(d) between Malaysia and SIN
(e) within Africa

...
G. A maximum of 16 segments, including surface segments between any 2 airports, are permitted for the entire journey. Intermediate surface sectors are permitted at passenger’s expense. Surface sectors must be included in
the total mileage."

Looks like the web page creator managed to mix up these two rules.

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