Route Check - Open-Date & LON
#1
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Route Check - Open-Date & LON
I'm trying to firm up a route. I understand surface segments are now included, but using open-date segments may be used by specifying LON rather than wasting a segment on LHR-LGW. (I may be wrong on this though.)
Anyway, I've put this route to my TA:
wlg-syd-jfk-mia-sfo-dfw-sea-dfw-lax-lon-krk-lon-nrt-hkg-nrt-syd-wlg
The TA comes back with 2 problems:
1. I've 2 too many segments as LAX flies into LHR and KRK goes from LGW. Can I put LON if I say LAX-LON-KRK-LON are open-dated?
2. Can I have SYD appearing twice? I only want one stopover from that, the other is a transit.
Mileage Monkey is OK with it...?
Thanks.
Anyway, I've put this route to my TA:
wlg-syd-jfk-mia-sfo-dfw-sea-dfw-lax-lon-krk-lon-nrt-hkg-nrt-syd-wlg
The TA comes back with 2 problems:
1. I've 2 too many segments as LAX flies into LHR and KRK goes from LGW. Can I put LON if I say LAX-LON-KRK-LON are open-dated?
2. Can I have SYD appearing twice? I only want one stopover from that, the other is a transit.
Mileage Monkey is OK with it...?
Thanks.
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1. This might be pushing it a bit. I've only ever done this sort of thing where there were multiple alternatives (e.g. LON-WAS-NYC).
2. No problem with SYD twice that I can see. You could even stop there both times if you want since you have no other stopovers in SWP.
2. No problem with SYD twice that I can see. You could even stop there both times if you want since you have no other stopovers in SWP.
#3



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If you had to, you can simplify the last few segments of your itinerary:
...lon-nrt-hkg-akl instead of lon-nrt-hkg-nrt-syd-wlg
3 segments instead of 5; the 2 freed up can be used to solve your LGW-LHR surface sector problems
...lon-nrt-hkg-akl instead of lon-nrt-hkg-nrt-syd-wlg
3 segments instead of 5; the 2 freed up can be used to solve your LGW-LHR surface sector problems
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Using pandaperth's idea, you could also get a cheap return WLG-AKL and do something like:
akl-hkg-jfk-mia-sfo-lax-dfw-sea-lhr,lgw-krk-lgw,lhr-nrt-hkg-akl
where the first visit to HKG is a transit without stopover, and you have an additional sector left over to add in wherever is appropriate (or to finish with NRT-HKG-SYD-WLG I suppose). Another option might be to fly directly in and out of LGW; my first effort for this is:
akl-hkg-lax-sfo-dfw-mia-dfw-sea-jfk-lgw-krk-lgw-fco-nrt-hkg-akl
again with a sector to add in to taste. Note that MM says there is no JFK-LGW flight but the oneworld timetable says there is one daily. Also note that while JFK-LGW is not ideal for mileage-earning purposes compared to LAX-LHR, flying in and out of LGW gives you two extra sectors with which to make up this loss.
akl-hkg-jfk-mia-sfo-lax-dfw-sea-lhr,lgw-krk-lgw,lhr-nrt-hkg-akl
where the first visit to HKG is a transit without stopover, and you have an additional sector left over to add in wherever is appropriate (or to finish with NRT-HKG-SYD-WLG I suppose). Another option might be to fly directly in and out of LGW; my first effort for this is:
akl-hkg-lax-sfo-dfw-mia-dfw-sea-jfk-lgw-krk-lgw-fco-nrt-hkg-akl
again with a sector to add in to taste. Note that MM says there is no JFK-LGW flight but the oneworld timetable says there is one daily. Also note that while JFK-LGW is not ideal for mileage-earning purposes compared to LAX-LHR, flying in and out of LGW gives you two extra sectors with which to make up this loss.
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I thought someone mentioned here that you can't use City codes when there are multiple airports in the city?
If you CAN get around the rule that will be great especially a lot of interesting Europe cities depart from LGW and wasting a surface sector (LHR-LGW) just does not make sense.
If you CAN get around the rule that will be great especially a lot of interesting Europe cities depart from LGW and wasting a surface sector (LHR-LGW) just does not make sense.
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So you cannot transit through HKG on your way from AKL to JFK
Leumas' starting segments of WLG-SYD-JFK are fine. Perhaps Leumas is thinking of taking the AA platinum challenge? Flying those first two segments on AA codeshares will gain >10,000 EQP enough to satisfy the challenge, even on a LONEx.
#7
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Thanks for everyone's input so far...
I'll be crediting towards QFF. SYD-JFK is one of the longest (if not the longest) flight you can have on QF with one flight number.
I'd like to try the HKG-JFK (or vv) flight on CX, but you can't really do that if you want to start in the SWP...
Another question - I just want to double check that I can start and finish at different cities provided they're in the same country?
I'd like to try the HKG-JFK (or vv) flight on CX, but you can't really do that if you want to start in the SWP...
Another question - I just want to double check that I can start and finish at different cities provided they're in the same country?
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SYD-LHR 10,573
MEL-LHR 10,503
I'd like to try the HKG-JFK (or vv) flight on CX, but you can't really do that if you want to start in the SWP...
then inbound ...JFK-HKG-other Asian stops-finish back in SWP
or v.v.
Another question - I just want to double check that I can start and finish at different cities provided they're in the same country?
All the One World Explorer rules are here
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This will be fine for as long as the segments remain as just open dated segments. If you really wanted, you could have TPE-SXM as a single, open sector. However, once you confirm your flight, the e-ticket would be validated as :
LAX LHR
ARNK
LGW KRK
This will bite you on the bum big time. The e-ticket will automatically go above 16 sectors and give an error response when the user tries to revalidate the e-ticket. .
LAX LHR
ARNK
LGW KRK
This will bite you on the bum big time. The e-ticket will automatically go above 16 sectors and give an error response when the user tries to revalidate the e-ticket. .
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Well all I can say is that I have done it and it works. No problems, no pushback from anyone. The case where I can recall all the specific details was an ex-TPE CX-issued DONE3 which had LHR-WAS-NYC-LAX. In the end I flew LHR-BWI, IAD-LGA, JFK-LAX simply checking in with open-dated paper coupons. The BA and AA staff had absoultely no issue at all with this.
For taxes, if I recall they simply price the most expensive possibility. I was fine with that as a price of getting the flexibility.
For taxes, if I recall they simply price the most expensive possibility. I was fine with that as a price of getting the flexibility.

