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Originally Posted by Sparth3103
(Post 36871269)
Hi, first time booking one of these RTW fares. I'm trying to book the following:
MAA -xHKG- SIN SIN - xHKG- SFO SFO - NYC NYC - LON LON - LYS LYS - LON LON - DXB DXB -xDOH- LON LON - SYD (qantas "direct" - all on QF2) SYD - xHKG- MAA (the x before the airport just means that it is a transit) I keep getting the 34000 mile error but I want to book this using the OWE fare instead of the global explorer fare. Is there something wrong with this routing or just the website playing up? Thanks In your particular itinerary there is an error, which will result in its failing to price up. The error is that you have too many flight segments in Europe. You have five and you're only allowed four. LON-LYS-LON-DXB-xDOH-LON. ETA. I see danger and Dr. HFH posted while I was slowly typing my reply. :D |
Thanks for the quick responses! Managed to get it to price up with your advice :)
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deleted as wrong forum - have reposted
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 36871314)
It's a bug - the tool seems to default to the "34,000 mile exceeded" error, when for whatever reason it cannot price up the itinerary.
In your particular itinerary there is an error, which will result in its failing to price up. The error is that you have too many flight segments in Europe. You have five and you're only allowed four. LON-LYS-LON-DXB-xDOH-LON. ETA. I see danger and Dr. HFH posted while I was slowly typing my reply. :D |
I think we discussed the Oneworld RTW guide sticky, that the tool does not recognize many of the cities/airports. It used to realially autofill the airport codes. Is there away to get it to do so again?
For example I can't get Jakarta or Panama City to appear. Yes, I know the tool is buggy but I can't find another no cost options to run preliminary ideas through. Suggestions welcome. Thanks |
For a complex fare product like xONEx, you will need to work with a travel agent if you are looking to price out multiple itineraries.
TA fees vary widely but overall the cost should not be a significant burden. I know it's hard to think about paying for services that you do not view as worthy of your money, but think of it as getting access to better technology.
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Yes, I understand the economics. I do use AA RTW to actually book. However in the past I have priced about 15 or so different options for each booking. The oneworld tool was buggy but it got me the information I needed to know before calling a human. Mainly alerting me to stupid mistakes that I was making and showing me different flight options. Now it is just not populating the different stops which it did before. Oh well, I will wait and try again. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by flyhurl
(Post 37127354)
Yes, I understand the economics. I do use AA RTW to actually book. However in the past I have priced about 15 or so different options for each booking. The oneworld tool was buggy but it got me the information I needed to know before calling a human. Mainly alerting me to stupid mistakes that I was making and showing me different flight options. Now it is just not populating the different stops which it did before. Oh well, I will wait and try again. Thanks.
I have in the past successfully priced out 3 of them in the tool that were quite complex but can't get it to do much anymore. But I still ended up paying $125 change fees right after booking on 2 of them to switch to code shares that were more friendly to AAdvantage earning. So for around that you could get quite a few travel agents to book it for you as you want up front without the headache of dealing with QF as your ticketing airline. As long as you've done a good bit of your homework up front. For example we all know that the tool won't put QR as your first carrier, so just pick something else to get a ballpark price then get your agent to use QR instead. Depending on a few variables it is unlikely to increase your cost when you switch it to QR, at least not significantly and may very well decrease. |
So I changed to Chrome as my browser and the tool started working again. What browser has everyone had luck with?
Also since FIJI Airways in now a Oneworld partner should they appear in the tool? I have been looking at New Zealand and Australia routes for my next booking and only American and Qantas appear. Anyone trying to use Fiji? Seems that would avid alot of surcharges. Thanks. |
Originally Posted by flyhurl
(Post 37153878)
So I changed to Chrome as my browser and the tool started working again. What browser has everyone had luck with?
Also since FIJI Airways in now a Oneworld partner should they appear in the tool? I have been looking at New Zealand and Australia routes for my next booking and only American and Qantas appear. Anyone trying to use Fiji? Seems that would avid alot of surcharges. Thanks. CXI-NAN-SYD-LHR-LAX-HNL-CXI The tool flagged it as valid but failed to price it FYI:
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The tool actually seems to have become *much* more performant in the last day or so, and it seems there's some progress on fixing some of the rule glitches. I no longer see the Distance limit when adding in too many segments in a specific zone. So... progress :)
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Originally Posted by rob_88
(Post 37218290)
The tool actually seems to have become *much* more performant in the last day or so, and it seems there's some progress on fixing some of the rule glitches. I no longer see the Distance limit when adding in too many segments in a specific zone. So... progress :)
[bit more context: the tool in Oneworld Itinerary Validator Thread is long dead but I think I have the code somewhere (iirc I hosted it for a while) which would be a fair starting point. It would be nice to have a way to validate and/or price a route even if you can't then book. It could also make an agent more willing to provide cost effective booking services (the tool could kick out a validated available route which they require to service a request). Very much idle musing at this point but might have been worth a chat if we thought the official tool was near certain to remain borderline unuseable] |
Originally Posted by zoombee
(Post 37220525)
It would be nice to have a way to validate and/or price a route even if you can't then book. It could also make an agent more willing to provide cost effective booking services (the tool could kick out a validated available route which they require to service a request).
Fare Construction (can be useful to travel agents) LON QR DOH BA BKK Q30.00 Q17.60 460.38VLXF80S7 NUC 507.98 END ROE 0.738519 XT 121.20GB 69.60UB 16.50G4 4.10PZ 16.50QA 2.70R9 1.10E7 0.50G8 155.30YQ 10.00YR |
Originally Posted by zoombee
(Post 37220525)
That's promising! May get new bugs as old issues are worked on but hopefully after a period of changes it'll settle and actually work 🤞 -- I was about to ask if someone with access to a GDS and was slightly technically might be interested in a brainstorm call to discuss what an itineray validator tool needs. I've been looking at using AI to write application specifications and then having AI produce the app so this might have been a fun and useful real world test case but not if someone is finally fixing the official tool.
[bit more context: the tool in [url=https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/oneworld/401874-new-oneworld-itinerary-validator.html]Oneworld Itinerary Validator Thread is long dead but I think I have the code somewhere (iirc I hosted it for a while) which would be a fair starting point. It would be nice to have a way to validate and/or price a route even if you can't then book. It could also make an agent more willing to provide cost effective booking services (the tool could kick out a validated available route which they require to service a request). Very much idle musing at this point but might have been worth a chat if we thought the official tool was near certain to remain borderline unuseable] Here it is if anyone's interested in playing with it: https://pastebin.com/nbuBPgBu Could probably hook it up to a route/airport database and make it identify the type of each segment automatically. As for pricing, I've got another script that takes a list of segments (origin-destination + marketing carrier + whether it's a stopover or not) and converts it into a request to the OW RTW backend API for pricing. It's useful for getting a rough estimate of YQ/YR and how that varies depending on the route and marketing carriers, and unlike the frontend you don't have to bother with actual dates or flight numbers and codeshares aren't an issue, but unfortunately it's still got some of the limitations present on the website (e.g. the first segment can't be marketed by QR and it seems to reject some valid routes). Not sure how useful that one is though... it'll probably require actual access to a GDS to make something better than the official tool. ps: not really convinced AI would be capable of doing what you want properly. |
Originally Posted by headinclouds
(Post 37220624)
Do you mean the fare consturction info that itamatrix displays?
Fare Construction (can be useful to travel agents) LON QR DOH BA BKK Q30.00 Q17.60 460.38VLXF80S7 NUC 507.98 END ROE 0.738519 XT 121.20GB 69.60UB 16.50G4 4.10PZ 16.50QA 2.70R9 1.10E7 0.50G8 155.30YQ 10.00YR |
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