My reading of the rules is that the following two flights:
BOS-PHX on AA2435 (1 stop via ORD eff Feb 1)
PHX-BOS on AA2098 (1 stop via ORD eff Jan 31)
1) do not violate the "one transcon" rule for North America.
2) count as long-haul (>2,000) miles and thus give 180 BA tier points each way if booked as part of a DONE4 (BOS-PHX is 2,290 miles)
3) use only two of the 16 allowable segments (and two of the six NA segments)
If these are indeed bookable then one could, in principle, obtain 6X180=1,080 BAEC tier points from the 6 NA segments allowed in an XONEX that originates outside of NA.
Am I wrong to assume that this flights are permitted by the rules? Or is there a "gotcha" somewhere?
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The transcon excerpt from the technical rule sheet (which does not specifically mention PHX) is:
(k) Within the USA/Canada only one nonstop or single plane service transcontinental flight permitted. A transcontinental flight is defined as travel between a city in column A and a city in column B.
COLUMN A COLUMN B
Baltimore MD Las Vegas
Boston MA Los Angeles CA
Ft Lauderdale FL Oakland CA
Hartford CT Portland OR
Miami FL San Diego CA
Newark NJ San Francisco CA
New York NY San Jose CA
Orlando FL Seattle
Philadelphia PA Vancouver, BC
San Juan PR Santa Ana, CA
Toronto ON Long Beach, CA
Washington DC
Additionally, only one flight to Anchorage (ANC) and one flight from Anchorage (ANC) permitted.
BOS-PHX on AA2435 (1 stop via ORD eff Feb 1)
PHX-BOS on AA2098 (1 stop via ORD eff Jan 31)
1) do not violate the "one transcon" rule for North America.
2) count as long-haul (>2,000) miles and thus give 180 BA tier points each way if booked as part of a DONE4 (BOS-PHX is 2,290 miles)
3) use only two of the 16 allowable segments (and two of the six NA segments)
If these are indeed bookable then one could, in principle, obtain 6X180=1,080 BAEC tier points from the 6 NA segments allowed in an XONEX that originates outside of NA.
Am I wrong to assume that this flights are permitted by the rules? Or is there a "gotcha" somewhere?
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The transcon excerpt from the technical rule sheet (which does not specifically mention PHX) is:
(k) Within the USA/Canada only one nonstop or single plane service transcontinental flight permitted. A transcontinental flight is defined as travel between a city in column A and a city in column B.
COLUMN A COLUMN B
Baltimore MD Las Vegas
Boston MA Los Angeles CA
Ft Lauderdale FL Oakland CA
Hartford CT Portland OR
Miami FL San Diego CA
Newark NJ San Francisco CA
New York NY San Jose CA
Orlando FL Seattle
Philadelphia PA Vancouver, BC
San Juan PR Santa Ana, CA
Toronto ON Long Beach, CA
Washington DC
Additionally, only one flight to Anchorage (ANC) and one flight from Anchorage (ANC) permitted.
I am 99% sure that PHX was added to the transcon city list when AA started non-stop JFK-PHX service (since discontinued). I would be surprised that PHX was removed from the list subsequently, but if it has been then it is to your advantage, and you are correct in all of your questions. It is a single-sector high-TP flight as the intermediate stop does not count for these metrics.
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PHX is not on the transcon list. FWIW, neither are SMF, PSP or RNO, all of which from time to time have single-numbered service to or from the east coast.Originally Posted by number_6
I am 99% sure that PHX was added to the transcon city list when AA started non-stop JFK-PHX service (since discontinued). I would be surprised that PHX was removed from the list subsequently, but if it has been then it is to your advantage, and you are correct in all of your questions. It is a single-sector high-TP flight as the intermediate stop does not count for these metrics.
Care must be taken with these single-number stopping flights. They come and they go, and are often asymmetrical; e.g. you'll see SMF-BOS but not BOS-SMF. For example, at the moment AA lists LGA-PSP, but not PSP-LGA.
The best of these was LAX-SXM but that didn't last long and I never managed to fly it. AA changes the schedule quarterly and many of these through flights last for precisely 1 quarter. So book early; and once you are booked, AA will re-route you for free onto a 17th sector if necessary (though I guess that spoils the BA TP earning).
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Also remember that services to/from the USA to/from Canada, Mexico or the Caribbean all book into business class, not first class, so any 2000+ mi legs to/from those destinations will not earn FC TPs.Originally Posted by number_6
The best of these was LAX-SXM but that didn't last long and I never managed to fly it. AA changes the schedule quarterly and many of these through flights last for precisely 1 quarter. So book early; and once you are booked, AA will re-route you for free onto a 17th sector if necessary (though I guess that spoils the BA TP earning).
FWIW I flew PHX-BOS on a DONE4 2-3 years ago, with about 6 months between ticketing and flight. It remained in the schedule the whole time.
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LGA-PSP via ORD is AA 305 dep 0720 arr 1220. On AA.com it shows both sectors, but with the same flt. no on both. It will be treated as one segment in reality.Originally Posted by col747uk
I cannot see either BOS/PHX or LGA/PSP - not single plane services according to aa.com. Surely they cannot have disappeared already?
BOS-PHX or v.v. is not there; Kiwi said it was a couple of years ago.









