Some changes to xONEx rules? [02NOV2008]
Nov 2, 2008 | 11:45 am
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Some changes to xONEx rules? [02NOV2008]
Whilst casually scanning xONEx rules, I chanced upon the following:
Addition of booking code 'W' for LA/LP on DONEx bookings:
Extension of "Canadian exception" to the EU
Rerouting before departure in TC2/3 now attracts a fee:
No-show penalty:
Cancellation penalty:
That's all I could spot atm. Admittedly I've not been paying much attention for a while so I apologise in advance if some/all these are old news. 
Addition of booking code 'W' for LA/LP on DONEx bookings:
Code:
LA/LP A D/W L
Code:
WHEN TRAVEL ORIGINATES IN A COUNTRY FOR WHICH
THE SPECIFIC LOCAL CURRENCY FARES IS PUBLISED AND
THE TICKET IS SOLD IN ANOTHER COUNTRY THE FARE
WILL BE THAT PUBLISHED FOR THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
CONVERTED TO THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF SALE
AT THE BANK SELLING RATE.
THE RESULTANT FARE MUST NOT BE LOWER THAN FROM
THE COUNTRY OF SALE. EXCEPTION -
NOT APPLICABLE FOR SALE MADE AND/OR
TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN CANADA OR THE EUROPEAN
UNION.
Code:
CHANGES BEFORE DEPARTURE
...
ORIGIN TC2/3 -
AFTER TICKET ISSUE - DATE/TIME/ONEWORLD CARRIER/
INVENTORY CHANGES ARE PERMITTED PROVIDED TICKETED
POINTS REMAIN THE SAME.
CHANGES OTHER THAN TO DATE/TIME/ONEWORLD CARRIER
INVENTORY PERMITTED AT A CHARGE OF USD 125.00
PER TRANSACTION.
Code:
NO SHOW REQUIRES REBOOKING AT CHARGE OF USD 125.00
Code:
CANCELLATIONS AND REFUNDS
AFTER TICKET ISSUE -
FORFEIT 10PCT OF TICKETED FARE FOR ECONOMY CLASS
FARES.
FORFEIT 5PCT OF TICKETED FARE FOR BUSINESS/FIRST
CLASS FARES.
EXCEPTION -
11PCT INCLUDING GST EX AUSTRALIA FOR ECONOMY CLASS
FARES.
5.5PCT INCLUDING GST EX AUSTRALIA FOR BUSINESS/
FIRST CLASS FARES.
---
IN CASE OF REFUSAL OF OFFICAL DOCUMENTS/ENTRY
PERMIT/VISA A FULL REFUND WILL APPLY PROVIDED
OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION FROM THE APPROVED AUTHORITY
IS PRODUCED AND ATTACHED TO THE REFUND REQUEST.
Nov 2, 2008 | 2:07 pm
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The extension of the Canadian exception to the whole of the EU is a massive change. If the local airline office is difficult about credit cards or whatever, who (in the EU) will care? Currency fluctuations? No worries - just take today's BSR & buy locally.
So where's the bad news? Have the ghosts rattled their chains with price increases?
So where's the bad news? Have the ghosts rattled their chains with price increases?
Nov 2, 2008 | 2:12 pm
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The extension of the Canadian exception to the whole of the EU is a massive change. If the local airline office is difficult about credit cards or whatever, who (in the EU) will care? Currency fluctuations? No worries - just take today's BSR & buy locally.
So where's the bad news? Have the ghosts rattled their chains with price increases?
So where's the bad news? Have the ghosts rattled their chains with price increases?
Overall looks like good news
Dave
Nov 2, 2008 | 3:14 pm
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The extension of the Canadian exception to the whole of the EU is a massive change. If the local airline office is difficult about credit cards or whatever, who (in the EU) will care? Currency fluctuations? No worries - just take today's BSR & buy locally.
So where's the bad news? Have the ghosts rattled their chains with price increases?
So where's the bad news? Have the ghosts rattled their chains with price increases?
Nov 2, 2008 | 4:02 pm
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The change was probably prompted by a new EU Regulation (Reg 1008/2008) that prohibits, in certain circumstances, discrimination on grounds of residence or nationality for air fares except that the new rules seem to go further than required by the new Reg.
Nov 2, 2008 | 8:59 pm
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Book W for LAN is a hopeful sign. I'm still trying to sort out my invol downgrades from business to (regular not premium) economy.
I don't like the new rerouting and cancellation penalties. It is a bit odd that GST is included in the penalty for Australia.
I don't like the new rerouting and cancellation penalties. It is a bit odd that GST is included in the penalty for Australia.
Nov 2, 2008 | 10:44 pm
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Nov 3, 2008 | 12:12 am
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Yes, as long as they depart from that lower priced country, that is.
The change was probably prompted by a new EU Regulation (Reg 1008/2008) that prohibits, in certain circumstances, discrimination on grounds of residence or nationality for air fares except that the new rules seem to go further than required by the new Reg.
The change was probably prompted by a new EU Regulation (Reg 1008/2008) that prohibits, in certain circumstances, discrimination on grounds of residence or nationality for air fares except that the new rules seem to go further than required by the new Reg.
Nov 3, 2008 | 1:16 am
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But this opens up the possibility of trying an AA office in the EU if there's no local AA office at the cheap point of origin, or if the local AA office doesn't want to play ball with remote CC payment etc.
*A got rid of the restriction entirely, hoping OW will do the same at some point but I can understand why they won't.
Nov 3, 2008 | 10:22 am
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No-show penalty:
Code:
NO SHOW REQUIRES REBOOKING AT CHARGE OF USD 125.00
Nov 3, 2008 | 11:27 am
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Can anyone please explain to me this Canadian/EU Exception?
WHEN TRAVEL ORIGINATES IN A COUNTRY FOR WHICH
THE SPECIFIC LOCAL CURRENCY FARES IS PUBLISED AND
THE TICKET IS SOLD IN ANOTHER COUNTRY THE FARE
WILL BE THAT PUBLISHED FOR THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
CONVERTED TO THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF SALE
AT THE BANK SELLING RATE.
THE RESULTANT FARE MUST NOT BE LOWER THAN FROM
THE COUNTRY OF SALE. EXCEPTION -
NOT APPLICABLE FOR SALE MADE AND/OR
TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN CANADA OR THE EUROPEAN
UNION.
Does this mean that when buying in EU, I pay always the price of departing country?
a) Buy EU, start S.Africa = old rules EU price, new rules S.Africa price
b) Buy EU, start EU = no change
c) Buy S. Africa, start S. Africa = no change
d) Buy S. Africa, start EU = no change (you pay EU price)
Anyway, this is great news
I guess Mindpearl will be a bit less busy now.
WHEN TRAVEL ORIGINATES IN A COUNTRY FOR WHICH
THE SPECIFIC LOCAL CURRENCY FARES IS PUBLISED AND
THE TICKET IS SOLD IN ANOTHER COUNTRY THE FARE
WILL BE THAT PUBLISHED FOR THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
CONVERTED TO THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF SALE
AT THE BANK SELLING RATE.
THE RESULTANT FARE MUST NOT BE LOWER THAN FROM
THE COUNTRY OF SALE. EXCEPTION -
NOT APPLICABLE FOR SALE MADE AND/OR
TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN CANADA OR THE EUROPEAN
UNION.
Does this mean that when buying in EU, I pay always the price of departing country?
a) Buy EU, start S.Africa = old rules EU price, new rules S.Africa price
b) Buy EU, start EU = no change
c) Buy S. Africa, start S. Africa = no change
d) Buy S. Africa, start EU = no change (you pay EU price)
Anyway, this is great news
I guess Mindpearl will be a bit less busy now.
Nov 3, 2008 | 1:03 pm
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Can anyone please explain to me this Canadian/EU Exception?
WHEN TRAVEL ORIGINATES IN A COUNTRY FOR WHICH
THE SPECIFIC LOCAL CURRENCY FARES IS PUBLISED AND
THE TICKET IS SOLD IN ANOTHER COUNTRY THE FARE
WILL BE THAT PUBLISHED FOR THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
CONVERTED TO THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF SALE
AT THE BANK SELLING RATE.
THE RESULTANT FARE MUST NOT BE LOWER THAN FROM
THE COUNTRY OF SALE. EXCEPTION -
NOT APPLICABLE FOR SALE MADE AND/OR
TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN CANADA OR THE EUROPEAN
UNION.
WHEN TRAVEL ORIGINATES IN A COUNTRY FOR WHICH
THE SPECIFIC LOCAL CURRENCY FARES IS PUBLISED AND
THE TICKET IS SOLD IN ANOTHER COUNTRY THE FARE
WILL BE THAT PUBLISHED FOR THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
CONVERTED TO THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF SALE
AT THE BANK SELLING RATE.
THE RESULTANT FARE MUST NOT BE LOWER THAN FROM
THE COUNTRY OF SALE. EXCEPTION -
NOT APPLICABLE FOR SALE MADE AND/OR
TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN CANADA OR THE EUROPEAN
UNION.
Nov 3, 2008 | 1:25 pm
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There is a change when the country within the EU you depart from has a different price to the EU country you buy it in (not all EU countries have the same price for RTWs):
old rule: you pay the higher of the two.
new rule: you pay the fare from country of departure
eg: buy in UK and depart from Poland
old rule: you pay UK price (assuming UK price is higher than Poland price)
new rule: you pay Polish price.
old rule: you pay the higher of the two.
new rule: you pay the fare from country of departure
eg: buy in UK and depart from Poland
old rule: you pay UK price (assuming UK price is higher than Poland price)
new rule: you pay Polish price.
Nov 4, 2008 | 2:29 pm
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