Total Sectors for AONE3 ex ICN
Dec 25, 2008 | 6:57 am
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Total Sectors for AONE3 ex ICN
Planning on taking an AONE3 ex ICN in May. Want to include in the North American sectors PHX/ATL & ATL/IAH. According to Expertflyer both these operate as a single flight number with a stop enroute. Do these count as one or two sectors for the purposes of the RTW with the stop enroute?
Are prices ex ICN likely to increase soon as will book if this is likely?.
ICN seems to be the cheapest price to start at the moment or have I missed something?
What is the likelyhood that I will be able to get an F redemption seat on Cathay ( on a 74A) from LHR to ICN (via HKG) using BA Miles?
Are prices ex ICN likely to increase soon as will book if this is likely?.
ICN seems to be the cheapest price to start at the moment or have I missed something?
What is the likelyhood that I will be able to get an F redemption seat on Cathay ( on a 74A) from LHR to ICN (via HKG) using BA Miles?
Dec 25, 2008 | 7:18 am
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I can only answer your first question: if it is a single flight number from PHX-IAH then it will count as one sector; a stop enroute is no problem so long as you are ticket on a single flight number and a single ticket coupon.
Dec 25, 2008 | 7:43 am
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AA flies from PHX only to ORD and DFW and sometimes MIA (seasonal?). A single flight number PHX-ORD-IAH is not plausible, but PHX-DFW-IAH could be a through flight. I just checked aa.com and it doesn't operate for the date I tried, however AA changes the through flights every quarter. If you do see it, book it right away with a fixed date; as long as you can travel on that date, AA will reroute you (onto 2 flights) and it will count as 1 flight for the OWE rules (whereas without such protection you would have to pay a change fee of USD 125 and find a routing with 1 sector or change other routings in your ticket).
Historically there have been fare increases in OWE during the first quarter of each year, often in Jan. When Oneworld thinks a currency change is permament and not just a blip then it raises the fare (often to higher than the ex-US fare, to allow for future currency fluctuation), or switches to USD. If the ex-ICN fare is important to you, booking it now (before Dec. 31) is the only safe strategy.
As for redeeming an F ticket on CX LHR-HKG, the chances are zero in my estimation. CX is reducing F capacity out of LHR and award availability has been running at close to zero for a long time. BA should be much easier to get, also you can route via NRT on JL or BA. Of course "impossible" awards do exist -- a few people get them each year, it just depends on your luck and persistence. But remember that Asiamiles members can waitlist for an award, whereas the rest of Oneworld cannot -- so seats go to the waitlist, as they become available. And even Asiamiles Diamonds (a "higher" tier than BA Gold, in practice) cannot get F awards LHR-HKG these days.
Historically there have been fare increases in OWE during the first quarter of each year, often in Jan. When Oneworld thinks a currency change is permament and not just a blip then it raises the fare (often to higher than the ex-US fare, to allow for future currency fluctuation), or switches to USD. If the ex-ICN fare is important to you, booking it now (before Dec. 31) is the only safe strategy.
As for redeeming an F ticket on CX LHR-HKG, the chances are zero in my estimation. CX is reducing F capacity out of LHR and award availability has been running at close to zero for a long time. BA should be much easier to get, also you can route via NRT on JL or BA. Of course "impossible" awards do exist -- a few people get them each year, it just depends on your luck and persistence. But remember that Asiamiles members can waitlist for an award, whereas the rest of Oneworld cannot -- so seats go to the waitlist, as they become available. And even Asiamiles Diamonds (a "higher" tier than BA Gold, in practice) cannot get F awards LHR-HKG these days.
Dec 25, 2008 | 8:24 am
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AA flies from PHX only to ORD and DFW and sometimes MIA (seasonal?). A single flight number PHX-ORD-IAH is not plausible, but PHX-DFW-IAH could be a through flight. I just checked aa.com and it doesn't operate for the date I tried, however AA changes the through flights every quarter. If you do see it, book it right away with a fixed date; as long as you can travel on that date, AA will reroute you (onto 2 flights) and it will count as 1 flight for the OWE rules (whereas without such protection you would have to pay a change fee of USD 125 and find a routing with 1 sector or change other routings in your ticket).
Historically there have been fare increases in OWE during the first quarter of each year, often in Jan. When Oneworld thinks a currency change is permament and not just a blip then it raises the fare (often to higher than the ex-US fare, to allow for future currency fluctuation), or switches to USD. If the ex-ICN fare is important to you, booking it now (before Dec. 31) is the only safe strategy.
As for redeeming an F ticket on CX LHR-HKG, the chances are zero in my estimation. CX is reducing F capacity out of LHR and award availability has been running at close to zero for a long time. BA should be much easier to get, also you can route via NRT on JL or BA. Of course "impossible" awards do exist -- a few people get them each year, it just depends on your luck and persistence. But remember that Asiamiles members can waitlist for an award, whereas the rest of Oneworld cannot -- so seats go to the waitlist, as they become available. And even Asiamiles Diamonds (a "higher" tier than BA Gold, in practice) cannot get F awards LHR-HKG these days.
Historically there have been fare increases in OWE during the first quarter of each year, often in Jan. When Oneworld thinks a currency change is permament and not just a blip then it raises the fare (often to higher than the ex-US fare, to allow for future currency fluctuation), or switches to USD. If the ex-ICN fare is important to you, booking it now (before Dec. 31) is the only safe strategy.
As for redeeming an F ticket on CX LHR-HKG, the chances are zero in my estimation. CX is reducing F capacity out of LHR and award availability has been running at close to zero for a long time. BA should be much easier to get, also you can route via NRT on JL or BA. Of course "impossible" awards do exist -- a few people get them each year, it just depends on your luck and persistence. But remember that Asiamiles members can waitlist for an award, whereas the rest of Oneworld cannot -- so seats go to the waitlist, as they become available. And even Asiamiles Diamonds (a "higher" tier than BA Gold, in practice) cannot get F awards LHR-HKG these days.
If I cannot get LHR/ICN via HKG on CX then what will redemption HKG/ICN be like in F ( on a day with an F service) & then BA LHR/HKG which is usually easy to get in F.