One World needs better partners
Jul 20, 2008 | 8:56 am
#16
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Sorry to hear Turkish Air is not an option....sounds like another airline that once reciprocated with AA bites the dust. I miss being able to redeem AA miles on Swiss.
It seems that BA has a monopoly going with One World in Europe. I hope in the near future some European airlines drop *Alliance and Sky Team and switch to One World instead of the other way around (as it seems is happening).
It seems that BA has a monopoly going with One World in Europe. I hope in the near future some European airlines drop *Alliance and Sky Team and switch to One World instead of the other way around (as it seems is happening).
Jul 20, 2008 | 10:09 am
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How do you say that with Iberia, Finnair, and Malev, especially with Iberia, if you discount those other two?
Jul 20, 2008 | 10:24 am
#18
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Yes, if we're going to talk about oneworld monopolies, it might be fair to talk about AA in North America, LAN in South America (at least intra-South America), and QF in Oceania, but there are four airlines in Europe, one of the smallest of the world's continents.
Jul 21, 2008 | 1:24 am
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They lost Swiss Air too. I'm trying to plan a trip to Johannesburg with a stop over in Zurich for a few days. They're saying I need to go from Zurich BACK TO HEATHROW before flying to Johannesburg. All the best options seem to be with Star Alliance carriers. I want to stopover somewhere, anywhere but the UK.
IIRC Swiss Air was in talks with OW and they had already started to migrate IT systems and everything for membership. When they got bought out buy LH they were snapped out of the arms of OW and got into the arranged marriage with *A.
Last edited by DownUnderFlyer; Jul 21, 2008 at 1:47 am Reason: Forgot QF.
Jul 21, 2008 | 1:44 am
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actually Swiss announced back in June 2004 that they had decided not to proceed with OW membership
http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw..._20040603.aspx
it would be another 9 months until the negotiations with LH
http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw..._20050313.aspx
their decision not to proceed with OW membership had nothing to do with LH and apparently everything to do with BA
Jul 21, 2008 | 1:51 am
#21
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not quite
actually Swiss announced back in June 2004 that they had decided not to proceed with OW membership
http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw..._20040603.aspx
it would be another 9 months until the negotiations with LH
http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw..._20050313.aspx
their decision not to proceed with OW membership had nothing to do with LH and apparently everything to do with BA
actually Swiss announced back in June 2004 that they had decided not to proceed with OW membership
http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw..._20040603.aspx
it would be another 9 months until the negotiations with LH
http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw..._20050313.aspx
their decision not to proceed with OW membership had nothing to do with LH and apparently everything to do with BA
Jul 26, 2008 | 6:10 pm
#22
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To quote someone else on FT:
"I would rather walk or swimm than fly UA"
Count me in in that number.
Jul 26, 2008 | 7:03 pm
#23
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I get close to seven figures in Amex MR points a year which I transfer to Aeroplan. Then I redeem F awards on NH, SQ, LH, TG, LQ, etc.
I use my AA miles for OW awards to S.A. on LAN.
Excluding domestic carriers, *A is vastly superior to OW or ST.
Jul 26, 2008 | 7:30 pm
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Isn't Air Pacific (Fiji's flag carrier) a partner of AA? oneworld has very decent Asian members - CX and JL. Too bad CX don't fly between USA and Europe like SQ does JFK-FRA or AI JFK-LHR
I think JL does Vancouver-Mexico City and/or NYC-Sao Paolo?
Jul 26, 2008 | 8:28 pm
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Jul 27, 2008 | 3:57 pm
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I never thought about getting to South Africa going west instead of east, maybe I'll look into that. Anything to avoid connections in LHR.
Jul 27, 2008 | 4:14 pm
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I've read on multiple threads here that first and biz class award seats are readily available LHR-CPT or LHR-Jo'Burg, just have to plan in advance.
I never thought about getting to South Africa going west instead of east, maybe I'll look into that. Anything to avoid connections in LHR.
I never thought about getting to South Africa going west instead of east, maybe I'll look into that. Anything to avoid connections in LHR.
Jul 27, 2008 | 5:31 pm
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They lost Swiss Air too. I'm trying to plan a trip to Johannesburg with a stop over in Zurich for a few days. They're saying I need to go from Zurich BACK TO HEATHROW before flying to Johannesburg. All the best options seem to be with Star Alliance carriers. I want to stopover somewhere, anywhere but the UK.
Jul 27, 2008 | 5:47 pm
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It's related to the UK APD where it's basically up to an additional 80 to depart the UK unless in transit.