OneWorld xONEx guaranteed by OW?
Jul 5, 2008 | 12:20 pm
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OneWorld xONEx guaranteed by OW?
With the airline industry being in turmoil the way it is the following question seems legitimate. Are OW products guaranteed after issuing?
Suppose I buy a DONE4 with CX (or AA, BA, etc) and CX goes bankrupt I can still use my ticket right? Of course not on the CX routes, but they should be guaranteed by the other participating airlines.
In other words: a Circle Pacific is a OW product, not an AA, CX, BA product and thus not affected by possible Chapter 11s. True?
Suppose I buy a DONE4 with CX (or AA, BA, etc) and CX goes bankrupt I can still use my ticket right? Of course not on the CX routes, but they should be guaranteed by the other participating airlines.
In other words: a Circle Pacific is a OW product, not an AA, CX, BA product and thus not affected by possible Chapter 11s. True?
Jul 5, 2008 | 5:36 pm
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With the airline industry being in turmoil the way it is the following question seems legitimate. Are OW products guaranteed after issuing?
Suppose I buy a DONE4 with CX (or AA, BA, etc) and CX goes bankrupt I can still use my ticket right? Of course not on the CX routes, but they should be guaranteed by the other participating airlines.
In other words: a Circle Pacific is a OW product, not an AA, CX, BA product and thus not affected by possible Chapter 11s. True?
Suppose I buy a DONE4 with CX (or AA, BA, etc) and CX goes bankrupt I can still use my ticket right? Of course not on the CX routes, but they should be guaranteed by the other participating airlines.
In other words: a Circle Pacific is a OW product, not an AA, CX, BA product and thus not affected by possible Chapter 11s. True?
Check your travel insurance.
Jul 5, 2008 | 5:54 pm
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Circle Pacific fares are published (and ticketed) by each individual airline participant:
[KVS Availability Tool 3.1.2/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/ZUJ/SG]
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SYD Sydney Kingsford Smith NS AU [YSSY] SYD Sydney Kingsford Smith NS AU [YSSY] RTW Jul-Jun Carrier From To Fare Cur Expiry Min Max Fare Basis --------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------- QF SYD SYD 5418 USD Wed 12M DAS13 BA SYD SYD 5418 USD Wed 12M DAS13 CX SYD SYD 5418 USD Wed 12M DAS13 QF SYD SYD 6289 USD Wed 12M DAS17 BA SYD SYD 6289 USD Wed 12M DAS17 CX SYD SYD 6289 USD Wed 12M DAS17 QF SYD SYD 8998 USD Fri 12M DCIR22 LA SYD SYD 8998 USD Fri 12M DCIR22 CX SYD SYD 8998 USD Fri 12M DCIR22 AA SYD SYD 8998 USD 12M DCIR22 BA SYD SYD 8998 USD Fri DCIR22 AY SYD SYD 8998 USD Fri 12M DCIR22 MA SYD SYD 9095 USD 10 12M DONEWC3 IB SYD SYD 9095 USD 12M DONEWC3 RJ SYD SYD 9578 USD 10 12M DONEWC3 QF SYD SYD 9578 USD 10 12M DONEWC3 BA SYD SYD 9578 USD 10 12M DONEWC3 CX SYD SYD 9578 USD 10 12M DONEWC3 AY SYD SYD 9578 USD 10 12M DONEWC3
Jul 5, 2008 | 5:58 pm
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As you are trying to buy your xDONEx ticket from AA (not CX) look at this thread AA tickets How safe ?
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Jul 6, 2008 | 12:43 am
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But theoretically if I buy a DONE4 from AA and I have no flights on AA, the other airlines will still honor the ticket if AA goes bust? I am not worried, just curious how this is arranged.
Jul 6, 2008 | 2:24 am
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If you not worried why did you ask the question ?
Check your travel insurance policy
Jul 6, 2008 | 5:14 am
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Because I am just curious how this is arranged. OneWorld 'advertises' special air travel options on its site. It can be argued that I am bying a OW product through a reseller. If the reseller goes out of business I am still allowed to use the product it sold me. Especially if the use is not limited by the inability of the reseller to supply part of it.
It is more a legel 'inquiry'. My ticket is bought with BA. It was triggered by the AA safety thread, but that went in a completely different direction.
So to be clear: I am interested in the legal aspects of it.
It is more a legel 'inquiry'. My ticket is bought with BA. It was triggered by the AA safety thread, but that went in a completely different direction.
So to be clear: I am interested in the legal aspects of it.
Jul 6, 2008 | 6:29 am
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Of course you could argue this way. Only problem is, it is not true. Oneworld just creates rules for a fare which an airline sells to you. They do not sell anything to an airline which they can re-sell.
Jul 6, 2008 | 7:10 am
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Trying to be clear in a commercial transaction is equivalent to flying to the moon in a hot air balloon. If there is ever a dispute, lawyers will spend endless time and copious amounts of your money to prove you are either wrong or right depending on the side they are paid by to argue for or against. 
That said, I assume the marketer, oneworld, would have no liability for failure to provide the the contracted services since the services are actually sold by an airline directly to you. If you bought them from an airline and one of the other airlines fail to deliver as promised, the airline that you bought the tickets from would have some liability similar to a store having sold you a defective iPod. I suppose, in this case, oneworld is sort of like a newspaper who publishes good deals but is not responsible if you buy an iPod that is defective based on a ad in the paper.
OTOH, see the first paragraph. Anybody can sue anybody for anything and frequently do, at least in the USA.
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That said, I assume the marketer, oneworld, would have no liability for failure to provide the the contracted services since the services are actually sold by an airline directly to you. If you bought them from an airline and one of the other airlines fail to deliver as promised, the airline that you bought the tickets from would have some liability similar to a store having sold you a defective iPod. I suppose, in this case, oneworld is sort of like a newspaper who publishes good deals but is not responsible if you buy an iPod that is defective based on a ad in the paper.
OTOH, see the first paragraph. Anybody can sue anybody for anything and frequently do, at least in the USA.
Cheers
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Jul 6, 2008 | 9:21 am
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As I raised in the other thread regarding AA issued DONE4s you will have the risk of losing the whole IF the carrier goes under (EVEN if you don't have any flights) then you loose the whole ticket as AA is the carrier that issued the whole tix and took ur payment. They will redistribute the money to other carriers.
Jul 7, 2008 | 1:21 pm
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I hear what you are saying, but I am still not convinced. Neither is a lawyer friend of mine. He thinks it is a two edged sword. Ah well, we will see.
Jul 7, 2008 | 5:18 pm
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Jul 8, 2008 | 1:24 pm
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Jul 8, 2008 | 3:15 pm
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If you don't mind paying extra then issuing on CX/BA/QF stocks will be much safer than AA.
Jul 9, 2008 | 8:09 am
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I have asked for a quote from both BA and AA for the same itinerary. If the price difference is not too great I am sticking with BA. Is there anybody here that has compared the two before? I would be surprised if the difference was more than $500,- especially since we now are allowed 'only' 16 segments.
I will keep you posted.
I will keep you posted.