Please check these itineraries:
Jan 16, 2008 | 3:51 am
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Please check these itineraries:
HKG-NRT-DEL-NRT-SIN-SYD-AKL-SYD-JFK-LAX-SJO-LAX-SAL-LAX-LHR-MCT-LHR-CPT-JNB-HKG
67756 miles
HKG-NRT-DEL-NRT-SIN-SYD-AKL-SYD-JFK-LAX-DFW-ANC-DFW-PHX-LHR-MCT-LHR-CPT-JNB-HKG
65677 miles
Would like suggestions on maximising the mileage. Trips will be in F.
Thanks!
67756 miles
HKG-NRT-DEL-NRT-SIN-SYD-AKL-SYD-JFK-LAX-DFW-ANC-DFW-PHX-LHR-MCT-LHR-CPT-JNB-HKG
65677 miles
Would like suggestions on maximising the mileage. Trips will be in F.
Thanks!
Jan 16, 2008 | 5:46 am
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Some Ideas:
Instead of LHR-CPT-JNB-HKG you could do LHR-HKG and in addition DFW-EZE-DFW or JFK-EZE-JFK.
Would result in 2500 additional miles, same amount of continents (no stop at one US entry, so you need to change segments around). Same number of continents, but you have tu suffer AA F vs. BA/CX F.
Also keep in mind that some of the US flights are on single aisle flights on AA - F is torture on long (esp. night) flights.
Instead of LHR-CPT-JNB-HKG you could do LHR-HKG and in addition DFW-EZE-DFW or JFK-EZE-JFK.
Would result in 2500 additional miles, same amount of continents (no stop at one US entry, so you need to change segments around). Same number of continents, but you have tu suffer AA F vs. BA/CX F.
Also keep in mind that some of the US flights are on single aisle flights on AA - F is torture on long (esp. night) flights.
Jan 16, 2008 | 9:40 am
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HKG-NRT-DEL-NRT-SIN-SYD-AKL-SYD-JFK-YVR-DFW-ANC-DFW-MIA-PHX-LHR-MCT-LHR-MRU-JNB-HKG
If you need to get to CPT or LAX those flights are cheap from JNB and PHX respectively. Uses the CX JFK-YVR flight and LHR-MRU. Note YVR-DFW doesn't have F.
Is there F on NRT-DEL?
Last edited by Gardyloo; Jan 16, 2008 at 9:48 am
Jan 16, 2008 | 4:16 pm
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Here's a variant with 20 segments and 69,586 mi per GCM -
HKG-NRT-DEL-NRT-SIN-SYD-AKL-SYD-JFK-YVR-DFW-ANC-DFW-MIA-PHX-LHR-MCT-LHR-MRU-JNB-HKG
If you need to get to CPT or LAX those flights are cheap from JNB and PHX respectively. Uses the CX JFK-YVR flight and LHR-MRU. Note YVR-DFW doesn't have F.
Is there F on NRT-DEL?
HKG-NRT-DEL-NRT-SIN-SYD-AKL-SYD-JFK-YVR-DFW-ANC-DFW-MIA-PHX-LHR-MCT-LHR-MRU-JNB-HKG
If you need to get to CPT or LAX those flights are cheap from JNB and PHX respectively. Uses the CX JFK-YVR flight and LHR-MRU. Note YVR-DFW doesn't have F.
Is there F on NRT-DEL?
Jan 16, 2008 | 11:32 pm
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I did not go through in details, but there are two items I would like to bring to your attention:
* What is the limit - 16 or 20 segments?
* For SYD-JFK, there is a stop in LAX. Is this flight considered a 1-segment or 2-segment flight? If it is a 2-segment flight, that should be factored in for the 20-segment calculation.
* What is the limit - 16 or 20 segments?
* For SYD-JFK, there is a stop in LAX. Is this flight considered a 1-segment or 2-segment flight? If it is a 2-segment flight, that should be factored in for the 20-segment calculation.
Jan 17, 2008 | 2:21 am
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Backtracking is no problem on the AONEx.
There is a restriction of only 1 transcon in the US - there is a list of the end points for transcons in the rules.
Also as long as it is one flight number it counts as one segment - even if the flight stops somewhere.
There is a restriction of only 1 transcon in the US - there is a list of the end points for transcons in the rules.
Also as long as it is one flight number it counts as one segment - even if the flight stops somewhere.
Jan 17, 2008 | 5:04 am
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20 segments may soon disappear...
I'd consider booking this sooner rather than later. This was posted online via Business Traveller Magazine:
The arrival of e-ticketing means that possible flight sectors offered by the Explorer round-the-world ticket will be cut from 20 to 16. This will make this particular deal less attractive because the ticket will still be charged at the same price.
Right now one of the multi-continent Explorer tickets big selling points is that it provides passengers with more flights than any other RTW offer (a maximum of 20 compared with the 15 of its rivals). The ticket features major carriers like British Airways, Qantas, JAL and Cathay Pacific and is a popular option for travellers heading for the US, Asia and Australasia.
The reason is all down to technology. Travel agents now issue a paper ticket to passengers booking more than 16 sectors as that is the greatest number of flights which can be e-ticketed. But the imminent phasing out of paper tickets will spell an end to the practice.
A Oneworld spokesperson says: Oneworld is having to reduce the number of sectors available in its multi-continent [Explorer] fares to 16 because this is the maximum number of sectors which can be supported under the IATA standard for electronic tickets.
The industry, led by IATA [the industry trade body], moves fully into electronic ticketing from the end of May this year. The reasons for the 16-sector limit are mainly technological. Systems can handle only a specific amount of data per ticket and trips involving more than 16 sectors would exceed that limit. Over time, as technology advances, this restriction will hopefully be eased.
According to Oneworld, only a very, very few people booked itineraries in excess of 16 sectors so the impact of this restriction will be limited. Passengers planning a 20-sector ticket from June onwards should book as soon as possible before paper tickets are consigned to the scrapheap.
The arrival of e-ticketing means that possible flight sectors offered by the Explorer round-the-world ticket will be cut from 20 to 16. This will make this particular deal less attractive because the ticket will still be charged at the same price.
Right now one of the multi-continent Explorer tickets big selling points is that it provides passengers with more flights than any other RTW offer (a maximum of 20 compared with the 15 of its rivals). The ticket features major carriers like British Airways, Qantas, JAL and Cathay Pacific and is a popular option for travellers heading for the US, Asia and Australasia.
The reason is all down to technology. Travel agents now issue a paper ticket to passengers booking more than 16 sectors as that is the greatest number of flights which can be e-ticketed. But the imminent phasing out of paper tickets will spell an end to the practice.
A Oneworld spokesperson says: Oneworld is having to reduce the number of sectors available in its multi-continent [Explorer] fares to 16 because this is the maximum number of sectors which can be supported under the IATA standard for electronic tickets.
The industry, led by IATA [the industry trade body], moves fully into electronic ticketing from the end of May this year. The reasons for the 16-sector limit are mainly technological. Systems can handle only a specific amount of data per ticket and trips involving more than 16 sectors would exceed that limit. Over time, as technology advances, this restriction will hopefully be eased.
According to Oneworld, only a very, very few people booked itineraries in excess of 16 sectors so the impact of this restriction will be limited. Passengers planning a 20-sector ticket from June onwards should book as soon as possible before paper tickets are consigned to the scrapheap.
Jan 17, 2008 | 9:50 am
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SYD-JFK is one coupon (just as SYD-LHR etc.) and does not count against the transcon rule.
The 16-segment change has been known for some time; current betting is that June is the drop-dead date. 20-segment RTWs are still being booked all the time. But of course rule changes (and fare increases) can happen any time, so snooze = lose.
The 16-segment change has been known for some time; current betting is that June is the drop-dead date. 20-segment RTWs are still being booked all the time. But of course rule changes (and fare increases) can happen any time, so snooze = lose.
Jan 17, 2008 | 12:45 pm
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*A RTW has 24 segments. Unlike OW, *A has not been saying they need to reduce it to 16 (although that doesn't rule it out either).
Jan 17, 2008 | 3:56 pm
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Are those (>16 segment) tickets currently issued electronically? My understanding was that Sabre couldn't handle more than 16 segments electronically (which kills it for AA and, by extension, OW). If *A can currently issue >16 segment tickets electronically, then there would presumably be no reason for them to change. Whether or not they can currently issue such tickets is presumably a "known" fact?
Jan 17, 2008 | 5:12 pm
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SYD-JFK is one coupon (just as SYD-LHR etc.) and does not count against the transcon rule.
The 16-segment change has been known for some time; current betting is that June is the drop-dead date. 20-segment RTWs are still being booked all the time. But of course rule changes (and fare increases) can happen any time, so snooze = lose.
The 16-segment change has been known for some time; current betting is that June is the drop-dead date. 20-segment RTWs are still being booked all the time. But of course rule changes (and fare increases) can happen any time, so snooze = lose.
IATA is mandating a very simple solution for the >16 segment problem: all IATA airlines must support linked PNRs by mid-2008. Many do now already; even AA has had this capability for years (but most Aagents are unfamiliar with it). The ticket can be arbitrarily long, split into 16 segment PNRs. This also allows for unlimited open jaws, if desired, as well as handling most other restrictions. And the ticket pieces can clear independently, so none of the back-end processes have to change, making this a fairly bullet-proof solution. So now you know why the airlines have mainly ignored this "problem", as it is a non-issue (or rather, already solved). Does make for good fodder for FT threads, I suppose.
Here's the thread:It seems oneworld Airlines are trying to pull the wool over our eyes, possibly justifying it with one(?) month lag between the "end of May" and "mid 2008".
Last edited by serfty; Jan 18, 2008 at 12:08 am
Jan 17, 2008 | 9:42 pm
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Are those (>16 segment) tickets currently issued electronically? My understanding was that Sabre couldn't handle more than 16 segments electronically (which kills it for AA and, by extension, OW). If *A can currently issue >16 segment tickets electronically, then there would presumably be no reason for them to change. Whether or not they can currently issue such tickets is presumably a "known" fact?
Admittedly my last *A RTW was paper ticket, but I know I had some non-eticketable destinations included so I am unsure whether they can handle 24 segments electronically.