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alect Jan 16, 2006 12:39 pm


Originally Posted by og
My DONE4s ex BKK have brought a string of SSSSs. Got'a love the LOTFAP.


Mine used to also, but never once since I have my AAdv in now!!

jerry a. laska Jan 16, 2006 11:11 pm


Originally Posted by Guy Betsy
I do not need to believe. I can see it on AA's CRS system. AA's Oneworld fare lists are the most up to date amongst all Oneworld carriers. There is definitely no fare for the 2 places mentioned above.

BA also flies to TIP. And it doesn't mean that once BA flies from TIP that a Oneworld fare has to exist from Libya either.

Last spring AA rtw desk quoted me a fare from Syria but I decided at the time it wasn't worth the effort (in terms of starting from a new city/country, lack of info, etc) as opposed to CAI. The latest starfiles I've seen still list a fare for origination from Syria. If the fare is no longer being offered I appreciate the information but I believe that your post is the first time that information has been posted on FT. In any event thanks for the information.

ak Jan 17, 2006 12:06 am


Originally Posted by Guy Betsy
I'd rather believe AA's fare info on their CRS... there is no Slovenia or Syria for that matter... so the fare does not really exist.

In regards to Slovenia, is it because no OW carrier flies to Slovenia? Is that the reason why the fare doesn't really exist?

manar Jan 17, 2006 12:21 am


Originally Posted by dafeiji
Nonsense, had Pakistan stamps in my passport last time I went back to the US and had no major issues with immigration or TSA. Got SSSS once (out of a half-dozen domestic segments), but that was when I bought a one way at the airport on the same day. I agree that it doesn't seem to matter where you bought the ticket (or where you have been) as much as how you bought the ticket and what kind of ticket it is.

Likewise - I had no major issues when passing through LAX of all places with two Pakistan visas in my passport. I was asked why I went (wedding) and that was it.

But I wonder what happens if I have many more stamps for Pakistan in the passport. I've been thrice in 12 months now (once was a 1 day transit but that may look worse).

Guy Betsy Jan 24, 2006 9:54 am

TO everyone here.. my apologies...

I found the fare from Syria. It would have helped if that person who programmed RTW fares into AA's computers would place Syria under alphabetical order! Syria was buried under Middle East... it's as if the person who programmed the fares had no idea where Syria is!

Fares as follows:
AONE3 SYR 293,960...AONE4 SYR 340,160...AONE5 SYR 403,160...AONE6 SYR445,160

DONE3 SYR 209,960...DONE4 SYR 251,960...DONE5 SYR 293,960...DONE6 SYR 335,960

LONE3 SYR 104,960...LONE4 SYR 121,760...LONE5 SYR 142,760...LONE6 SYR 167,960

Prices correct as of 24 JAN 2006. 0900 PST.

spotwelder Jan 26, 2006 2:49 pm

Hello all!
 

Originally Posted by headinclouds
Note to mention as well that there are no OW flights to Djibouti since the BA/Regional Air fiasco early this year. Somehow, I don't put much faith in what's on the OW web site. If they can't have correct information about one of their main products, can you trust anything else on the site.

Hi, possibly from summer timetable, BA via its BMED franchise will be serving Djibouti again.

Sorry I have been away. I will be away for a bit more whilst I get a DC 10 accident report off my desk. Back soon, and I hope to get the new CAI fares soon. If I get a day, I will update the sticky.

Happy landings and may the status points be with you.

spottie.

manar Jan 31, 2006 7:22 am


Originally Posted by moa999
Noting for the Aussies that Pakistation has moved up with Sri Lanka at the cheaper end of the DONE fares A$6800 DONE4 and A$7800 DONE5

Cathay flies into Karachi from Bangkok.
Appears that Malaysian airlines has some pretty cheap deals ex-Syd through KL to Karachi.

Anyone thought of this as a different option to Colombo ticketing??

BTW, flights from DXB to KHI are cheap. Including a a few low cost carriers. Some are listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DXB

Also potentially useful if you are nesting xONEx tickets and want a cheap way back into Asia from Europe/Middle East.

Assuming prices don't jump I'm quite likely to ticket ex-KHI in early summer. I've already mailed Cathay in KHI and they were able to quote me the same price as listed here/in the spreadsheet.

JohnAx Jan 31, 2006 8:13 am


Originally Posted by manar
BTW, flights from DXB to KHI are cheap. Including a a few low cost carriers. Some are listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DXB

Also potentially useful if you are nesting xONEx tickets and want a cheap way back into Asia from Europe/Middle East.

Assuming prices don't jump I'm quite likely to ticket ex-KHI in early summer. I've already mailed Cathay in KHI and they were able to quote me the same price as listed here/in the spreadsheet.

I've been trying to get the attention of the BMED agent in DAM for a week or so with no results. Seems a reasonable choice for AONE3 if not much else, and not too expensive from CMB via DXB. I guess I'll next see if BMED/London is willing to get into the loop.

Gardyloo Jan 31, 2006 9:00 am

Just for a lark, you might contact Blands Travel in Gibraltar. The Blands family owns BMed and they have a full service travel agency at GIB that knows how to issue xONExs. Maybe they know who the handling agent or GSA is in DAM.

JohnAx Jan 31, 2006 1:47 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo
Just for a lark, you might contact Blands Travel in Gibraltar. The Blands family owns BMed and they have a full service travel agency at GIB that knows how to issue xONExs. Maybe they know who the handling agent or GSA is in DAM.

Sounds more like golden advice than a lark - I appreciate it very much. BMED lists Sanadiki Travel Services as their Damascus contact.

jswong Feb 5, 2006 12:36 am

It seems a little hard to believe that Tonga has gone from one of the cheapest *A rtw to more than double the next most expensive :confused:

Jeff

Markie Feb 10, 2006 11:31 pm

Egypt fares as confirmed last week:

AONE (US$)
3- 6175
4- 9577
5- 10990
6- 12873

DONE (US$)
3- 4760
4- 6123
5 - 7065
6 - 8321

LONE (US$)
3- 2018
4 - 2371
5 - 2721
6 - 3079

JohnAx Feb 11, 2006 9:04 am

The planners must have been into some mind-altering substances when they came up with those ex-CAI numbers. Nearly half again the price for the fourth continent. Discriminates sharply against the southern-hemisphere destinations since afaik they're all impossible on -3, but access to southern hemisphere shouldn't cost 50% more.

Markie Feb 12, 2006 12:36 am

The question for me is - where is the cheapest now?

christep Feb 12, 2006 10:05 am


Originally Posted by Markie
The question for me is - where is the cheapest now?

The cheapest what? You need to specify the class and the number of continents for that to be a meaningful question.

Markie Feb 12, 2006 10:23 am


Originally Posted by christep
The cheapest what? You need to specify the class and the number of continents for that to be a meaningful question.

Apologies = a First Class, 5 continents I meant to say.

Gardyloo Feb 12, 2006 10:55 am


Originally Posted by Markie
Apologies = a First Class, 5 continents I meant to say.

Examine post no. 1 in this thread carefully.

Markie Feb 12, 2006 11:22 pm

Thanks for the advice - but I assume that several of them are out of date - as with Egypt? Or am I wrong?

SLF Feb 13, 2006 1:17 am

........deleted.....sent PM instead...

tallboy Feb 13, 2006 4:33 am


Originally Posted by WearyBizTrvlr
The new oneworld desktop timetable contains a RTW function complete with all fares. I've updated my RTW fare spreadsheet with the data culled from this file. As this is coming from oneworld, I would assume these fares are correct. The fares for Slovenia look too good to be true though... I feel a weekend in Ljubljana coming up!

Exchange rates have also been updated.


Can I ask a silly Q? If one buys a RTW ticket in a certain destination (eg., Dubai), does one actually have to commence the journey there/travel through there, or can you buy on site there and start/finish somewhere else?

Apologies if this has been covered earlier/elsewhere...

NoWindowSeat Feb 13, 2006 5:50 am


Originally Posted by tallboy
Can I ask a silly Q? If one buys a RTW ticket in a certain destination (eg., Dubai), does one actually have to commence the journey there/travel through there, or can you buy on site there and start/finish somewhere else?

Apologies if this has been covered earlier/elsewhere...

Yes, you have to start the trip from point A, if you want to pay the price of point A.

You're also right that this has been covered, reading the sticky FAQs could provide you with some fruitful info.

jerry a. laska Feb 13, 2006 10:39 am


Originally Posted by Markie
Thanks for the advice - but I assume that several of them are out of date - as with Egypt? Or am I wrong?

If you go to the spread sheet linked in the first post the fares seem to me to be correct.

GeneCMH Feb 22, 2006 7:09 am

Yikes!
 
Am I seeing this right... Is Egypt like doulbe AONEX from what it used to be just 2 or so years ago?

Really seems like OW is closing the noose on the very low cost countries. Guess I shouldn't have waited this long to really start planning out a RTW :(

What are the "realistic" best options? I see the price list, but are the lowest cost places doable? (PM me if discretion is needed in reply)

ps - I currently have enough award miles to get myself anywhere in the World I would need to go to get this thing started.

hvisti Feb 22, 2006 7:48 am


Originally Posted by WearyBizTrvlr
The Qantas Industry site which used to have the xONEx fares is now password protected, but some pages are still publicly accessible . Clicking around I found this:

(Emphasis added.)

Something tells me that it will not be a fare reduction.

So what are the new base prices for AONEx and DONEx in EGP?

/hv

Gardyloo Feb 22, 2006 8:18 am


Originally Posted by hvisti
So what are the new base prices for AONEx and DONEx in EGP?

/hv

Just convert those shown in post no. 52. 1 USD = 5.77 EGP.

hvisti Feb 22, 2006 8:55 am


Originally Posted by Gardyloo
Just convert those shown in post no. 52. 1 USD = 5.77 EGP.

At least the aones seem to be exactly the same as the pre 15.1. prices...

/hv

jerry a. laska Feb 22, 2006 12:04 pm


Originally Posted by hvisti
At least the aones seem to be exactly the same as the pre 15.1. prices...

/hv

The AONE3 is the same price. The AONE4, 5, and 6 went up substantially.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...4&postcount=41

johto Feb 28, 2006 11:35 am

I have a different stupid question than tallboy - can you blow off the last leg(s) that get you back to your origin? So if people are buying in Thailand or wherever, can they fly west around the world until they hit the US and then just stop? Thx!

NoWindowSeat Feb 28, 2006 11:58 am


Originally Posted by johto
I have a different stupid question than tallboy - can you blow off the last leg(s) that get you back to your origin? So if people are buying in Thailand or wherever, can they fly west around the world until they hit the US and then just stop? Thx!

A search will give you many more comments about this often discussed topic, it depends on the level of risk you are willing to take...I know most of us are not willing to risk throwing away a trans-pacific coupon.

johto Feb 28, 2006 12:03 pm

Realized I had one more (and I am reading up on the FAQs and searching)... none of the rules are exactly clear on if overland segments are allowed. I assume they are, because the desktop tool seems to allow you to add them, and places like Airtreks supports them?

Thanks!

headinclouds Feb 28, 2006 12:44 pm


Originally Posted by johto
Realized I had one more (and I am reading up on the FAQs and searching)... none of the rules are exactly clear on if overland segments are allowed. I assume they are, because the desktop tool seems to allow you to add them, and places like Airtreks supports them?

Thanks!

overland segments are allowed with a few exceptions. no surface segments betweeen hi and the mainland usa. no transoceanic surface segments.

the concept of rtw tickets is to travel 'round the world'. starting in asia, but stopping in usa is not a 'round the world' trip. again, with a few exceptions (middle east, africa, south america, usa/canada), one must end a trip in the same country as where one began the trip.

Gardyloo Feb 28, 2006 1:03 pm


Originally Posted by headinclouds
no transoceanic surface segments.

That was amended recently to allow one "transoceanic" surface seg for travel originating in the SWP. Not clear on the rationale.

NoWindowSeat Feb 28, 2006 1:12 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo
That was amended recently to allow one "transoceanic" surface seg for travel originating in the SWP. Not clear on the rationale.

Maybe a cruise or something...? Weird that it's only allowed from SWP, though...anyone with further information regarding this exception?

TravelGuy1965 Mar 1, 2006 2:33 pm

I get the part about not wanting to 'give up' a trans-pacific.

But what do you mean by risk?

If for example my start was bkk and it ended with scl-jfk-hkg-bkk and I decided not to take the last segment (hkg-bkk) and end at hkg. What could they do? Tell me I didn't complete the RTW that was ticketed and i owe them money? Doesn't sound right.



Originally Posted by NoWindowSeat
A search will give you many more comments about this often discussed topic, it depends on the level of risk you are willing to take...I know most of us are not willing to risk throwing away a trans-pacific coupon.


og Mar 1, 2006 2:39 pm


Originally Posted by TravelGuy1965
....If for example my start was bkk and it ended with scl-jfk-hkg-bkk and I decided not to take the last segment (hkg-bkk) and end at hkg. What could they do? Tell me I didn't complete the RTW that was ticketed and i owe them money? Doesn't sound right.

The collective wisdom here suggests that if you don't complete the RTW as per the coupons (ie the contract), they "could" charge you for the full fare cost of every sector - big $$ - especially if you paid by cc and they still have the number recorded. Really, with the cost of BKK-HKG fares, it is a small cost after a huge saving on the RTW fare.

ethan Mar 1, 2006 2:44 pm

Sorry if this has been asked before, but how do you buy an RTW with the Slovenia prices? I know the usual system from CMB say. Is there a workaround the fact that you have to start from Slovenia but no one-world carrier starts there? If there isn't then why are the prices quoted? Thanks.

edited a typo

Gardyloo Mar 1, 2006 2:53 pm


Originally Posted by ethan
Sorry if this has been asked before, but how do you buy an RTW with the Slovenia prices? I know the usual system from CMB say. Is there a workaround the fact that you have to start from Slovenia but no on-world carrier starts there? If there isn't then why are the prices quoted? Thanks.

Yes, cryptic, isn't it?

IIRC Malev flies there. Perhaps someone at OW knows something that they're not (yet) sharing?

WearyBizTrvlr Mar 1, 2006 3:08 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo
Yes, cryptic, isn't it?

IIRC Malev flies there. Perhaps someone at OW knows something that they're not (yet) sharing?

I fear it's the opposite: the Slovenia prices are a vestige from the days of yore when the current crop of OW members did fly there, and someone forgot to remove the prices from the system. By the same token, I'm also hoping that the same someone will prove equally forgetful in updating the prices once Malev joins. :D

nologic May 24, 2006 10:15 am

What is the current AONE fare ex-North America (is Canada cheaper than the US) vs. ex-LHR?

JohnAx May 24, 2006 10:39 am


Originally Posted by nologic
What is the current AONE fare ex-North America (is Canada cheaper than the US) vs. ex-LHR?

The fares are stated in the star files, given in the first few messages of this thread. They're several weeks old, but no one has volunteered anything different re the places you asked about. There's also a spreadsheet that nicely listes everything with a lot of sort macros - you'll see it mentioned near the beginning also, or can search for "spreadsheet" - it's not likely to be an overburdened search term, so you'll find it immediately. [Oops, sorry, it's the thread called OWE star file update ..."]


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