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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 12:11 am
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Importance of Ticketing

I am in the process of purchasing a DONE4 in conjunction with CX in CMB.

I have been using e-mails and the process has been quite painless so far; it is just about complete, only awaiting ticketing and payment.

The most recent email I received has the follwing sentence: "If above details are all satisfactory, I can go ahead and put your mail on file. Let me know the date you want me to issue the ticket as well.". It also had a text attachment which I assume is screen capture of a PNR; abridged version is included below.

The first day of travel is mid October; I have already advised I wish to pay in mid September.

As I have not purchased one of these fares nor dealt in this detail with such a large/complex booking before, I have a couple of questions. The answers may be obvious, but some level of clarification would be appreciated.

Does the attachment imply that seats have already been reserved?
Does one normally need to ante up with the payment in full before the ticket is issued.
What happens to the PNR when the ticket is issued?
Should I pay now, or wait another six weeks?
Do I risk losing some of the booked segments If I wait? (Any other risks in doing this?)

Thanks in anticipation for your responses.

Code:
 ..WEM     RCVD-CMB001
 HDQAA 9999 1223 26JUL /HDQRMAA 290423
   NM: 1.<serfty> MR
 2.SS:   CX710  D OCT  CMBHKG HK1   0100 1200
 3.SS:   CX500  D OCT  HKGNRT HK1   1505 2020    E
 4.SS:   CX505  D OCT  NRTHKG HK1   1830 2205    E
 5.SS:   CX107  D OCT  HKGAKL HK1   2035 1225+1  E
 6.SS:   QF134  D OCT  AKLMEL HK1   1715 1810    E  *QF*
 7.SS:   QF777  D OCT  MELPER HK1   1510 1710    E  *QF*
 8.SS:   QF1030 D OCT  PERCNS HK1   2245 0455+1  E  *QF*
 9.SS:   QF703  D OCT  CNSMEL HK1   1250 1710    E  *QF*
10.SS:   QF009  D MAR  MELLHR HL1   1710 0525+1  E
11.SS:   BA109  D MAR  LHRDXB HK1   2140 0825+1  E  *BA*
12.SS:   BA106  D MAR  DXBLHR HK1   0255 0635    E  *BA*
13.SS:   BA283  D MAR  LHRLAX HK1   1155 1455    E  *BA*
14.SS:   AA2442 A JUN  LAXDFW HK1   1143 1644    E  *AA*
15.SS:   AA1661 A JUN  DFWSEA HK1   1239 1446    E  *AA*
16.SS:   AA1900 A JUN  SEADFW HK1   0817 1407    E  *AA*
17.SS:   AAOPEN A JUN  DFWANC
18.SS:   AAOPEN A JUN  ANCDFW
19.SS:   AA1882 A JUN  DFWJFK HK1   1230 1652    E  *AA*
20.SS:   CX889  D JUN  JFKHKG HK1   2315 0800+2  E
21.CT: CMB/E/<email>
22.CT: CMB/E/<alt email>
23.OP: OP/OCT05/CMB001 FM CMB001 PLS REBOOK AS FLT OUT OF BKG RANGE - CX703/
    OCT06/HKGCMB X TKS
24.TK: TL/1200/01OCT/CMB001
25.RK: RMK QF 134 D OCT AKLMEL **
26.RK: RMK QF 777 D OCT MELPER **
27.RK: RMK QF1030 D OCT PERCNS **
28.RK: RMK QF 703 D OCT CNSMEL **
29.RK: RMK QF 009 D MAR MELLHR **
30.RK: RMK BA 109 D MAR LHRDXB **
31.RK: RMK BA 106 D MAR DXBLHR **
32.RK: RMK BA 283 D MAR LHRLAX **
33.RK: RMK AA2442 A JUN LAXDFW **
34.RK: RMK AA1661 A JUN DFWSEA **
35.RK: RMK AA1900 A JUN SEADFW **
36.RK: RMK AA1882 A JUN DFWJFK **
37.RP: CMB001

----------------------------------------------------------
(The October sectors will elevate me to Emerald status.)

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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 12:23 am
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A couple of reasons for ticketing early.

To lock in fare/taxes/surcharges.
To be protected for schedule changes.


A couple of reasons for ticketing late.

Hold onto the $$ longer.
Schedule changes may open up improved routing options.
Ability to change routing w/o charge until ticketed.


There are no doubt many other reasons.
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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 12:30 am
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"SS: QF009 D MAR MELLHR HL1 1710 0525+1 E"

I think this segment indicates that you are only on WL status for this flightm therefore you better check with the TA. You cannot ticket WL sectors on the ticket (but can ticket Open date segments)

Also I think you should take out your QF/BA and AA PNRs from the post as it is not wise to publish such things in the public.
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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 2:51 am
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Note also that when resvering and before ticketing, CX especially have givne me a deadline by which must be ticketed or reservation on their segments in cancelled. Apparently this can be extended, but something to note.
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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 5:10 am
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Originally Posted by oneworld744
"SS: QF009 D MAR MELLHR HL1 1710 0525+1 E"

I think this segment indicates that you are only on WL status for this flightm therefore you better check with the TA. You cannot ticket WL sectors on the ticket (but can ticket Open date segments) ...
Thankyou for that, I'll check with CMB. I am getting "F6 A5 Z0 P0 J9 C9 D7 I1 U0 " from expert flyer (and was similar beforehand). Obviously the flight is at a popular time, so the email is being sent.

Originally Posted by oneworld744
... Also I think you should take out your QF/BA and AA PNRs from the post as it is not wise to publish such things in the public.
Thanks for the advice. I did not realise that were booking codes , I thought they were fare codes. Used the QF ones with checkmytrip and there it is! . Gone they are off my post!!!
Originally Posted by alect
Note also that when resvering and before ticketing, CX especially have givne me a deadline by which must be ticketed or reservation on their segments in cancelled. Apparently this can be extended, but something to note.
Yeah, I'm getting to that point more and more.

I suppose my main question is (and alect has anwered it) is the first one:

"Does the attachment imply that seats have already been reserved?"
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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 5:48 am
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The HKs are confirmed, the HLs are waitlisted. Assuiming that there are PNRs on your original email, those are the confirmation numbers. So, yes, it appears that you have seats reserved. Personally, I would ticket it. Last thing youre going to want is someone to accidentally put in an auto-drop date that is earlier than your intended ticketing date thereby losing all your reservations. Although not for the same reasons, I had that happen and it is a huge pain in the arse.
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Originally Posted by serfty
"Does the attachment imply that seats have already been reserved?"
When I have booked my DONE4s through CX, I have had to specifically request certains seats as none have been pre-allocated. I did this after ticketting. Simple enough task. The emailed itinerary that CX has returned to me has shown the CX seats. They told me that they cannot book other OW seats. All I did in that case was to ask them to quote me the QF PNR that was generated, I rang QF and booked QF, BA and IB seats. I also rang AA in SYD to request the same.

The latest CX BKK would allow ticketting after making reservations was a week before travel - for reservations orignally made 3 months prior. I suspect that may be a bit negotiable, but they absolutely certainly would not do it the day before.

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Actually I don't think you can ticket a DONE4 that has HL in it.

When you want to allocate seats, you can actually use the aa.com online reservation retrieve tool and select your seats. Same for BA flights through MMB.

Unfortunately CX's CUPID does not link too well with other Oneworld partners.

As for the ticket deadline, CX's policy is 1 month prior to departure. But of course you can negotiate that (depedning on the mood of the CSO)
For DM MPO deadline are moved.

BTW, if you don't mind me asking what is the price for your DONE4 ex CMB, as I am planning my DONE4 ex BKK and I find CMB is too far and cost more $$$ to get there and the savings might not be worth it (only around 300USD?)
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Originally Posted by oneworld744
Actually I don't think you can ticket a DONE4 that has HL in it.
Just make the flight open for ticketing but waitlisted for reserving.
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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 6:34 pm
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Originally Posted by oneworld744
... BTW, if you don't mind me asking what is the price for your DONE4 ex CMB, as I am planning my DONE4 ex BKK and I find CMB is too far and cost more $$$ to get there and the savings might not be worth it (only around 300USD?)
No problem; standard SLR523,200 for DONE4 & SLR76150 in Tax/Levies/Charges for my routing. Total of SLR599350.

The Sri-Lankan Rupee "Is Tied" to USD and = 1 US .

So about USD6,000
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Originally Posted by serfty
Thankyou for that, I'll check with CMB. I am getting "F6 A5 Z0 P0 J9 C9 D7 I1 U0 " from expert flyer (and was similar beforehand). Obviously the flight is at a popular time, so the email is being sent. ...
Had a reply back from CX CMB:
Yes the MEL-LHR sector is not cnfmd. Our system shows the below availabity for QF009 QF 009 F6 A5 J9 C6 DL. ... I will call QF office tomorrow and check with them as well on the availability.
I tried the CX ITN booking tool and it returned no results at all. The AOW CWT shows "R0 F4 A4 J4 C4 D4 S4" and Expertflyer still shows "F6 A5 Z0 P0 J9 C9 D7 I1 U0".

As an alternative, Expertflyer is showing BA18 on the same day as "F7 A6 J9 C9 D9 I9 W9 T9". Anyone care to comment on BA J service and accomodations for this flight compared to QF9?
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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 7:50 pm
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Originally Posted by serfty
Had a reply back from CX CMB:I tried the CX ITN booking tool and it returned no results at all. The AOW CWT shows "R0 F4 A4 J4 C4 D4 S4" and Expertflyer still shows "F6 A5 Z0 P0 J9 C9 D7 I1 U0".

As an alternative, Expertflyer is showing BA18 on the same day as "F7 A6 J9 C9 D9 I9 W9 T9". Anyone care to comment on BA J service and accomodations for this flight compared to QF9?
You may want to check availability on BA7309 (same flight but BA codeshare) - although if QF D availability is L then unlikely BA has any either - but stranger things have happened.

As for comparisons of BA and QF J, there have been many both on this board and QF board. It comes down to a personal choice - and apparently if you are 5'10" or below BA is a better sleeper. I now prefer the Skybed as it is roomier. Crews are hit and miss and sort of about the same, although in my most recent experience BA crews were slightly better and helpful and did not forget as many things as the QF crews we had.
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Originally Posted by serfty
No problem; standard SLR523,200 for DONE4 & SLR76150 in Tax/Levies/Charges for my routing. Total of SLR599350.

The Sri-Lankan Rupee "Is Tied" to USD and = 1 US .

So about USD6,000
One world RTW tickets from India and SriLanka have become much too expensive since the new price increase. The Srilankan and Indian Rupees have also become very stable. The best at the moment for a DONE4 and AONE4 appears to be Zambia and Zimbabwe. Any better except cairo?
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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 7:09 pm
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Originally Posted by drbala
One world RTW tickets from India and SriLanka have become much too expensive since the new price increase. The Srilankan and Indian Rupees have also become very stable. The best at the moment for a DONE4 and AONE4 appears to be Zambia and Zimbabwe. Any better except cairo?
CMB works well for me as I live in MEL. This makes it so much easier to get to than Zimbabwe or Zambia. Also for a DONE4, it's USD140 less than both those places.

BKK for me was an option until I realised it's USD564 more to buy from Thailand.

Of course, If you are talking AONEx then it's a different story, but I'm happy to take my 2360 QF SC's @ USD2.54 each. (>140,000 qff points at AUD0.06 each)
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