Aerolineas Argentinas and oneworld
Nov 4, 2004 | 1:59 am
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Aerolineas Argentinas and oneworld
Was Aerolineas Argentinas a member of oneworld?
If so, what happened?
I remember them once being a member. They might have even been a founding member. I am trying to remember, but I just cannot recall whether or not they were actually a member or were going to join. Maybe someone can assist me with this.
If so, what happened?
I remember them once being a member. They might have even been a founding member. I am trying to remember, but I just cannot recall whether or not they were actually a member or were going to join. Maybe someone can assist me with this.
Nov 4, 2004 | 3:30 am
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Google search...
Aerolineas Argentinas belonging to Oneworld prior to going "bankrupt" did ring a bell......
After having a look at the archives on the Oneworld Alliance site I did a google serach and found this (From:
http://usca.es/atcmag/27/mercado.htm)
OneWorld se cre en 1998 y fue apadrinada por British Airways (BA), American Airlines, Quantas, Cathay Pacific y Canadian Airlines. En septiembre de 1999 se unieron a ella Iberia y Finnair, y en junio de 2000 lo hicieron Aer Lingus y Lan Chile.
El tndem British Airways-American Airlines es tan fuerte, que el tribunal de la competencia no les permiti unificar sus vuelos transatlnticos con origen en Inglaterra, ya que entre los dos hubieran sumado ms del cincuenta por ciento de las frecuencias.
Uno de los socios fundadores, Canadian Airlines, abandon el grupo el ao pasado al ser absorbida por Air Canada, que forma parte de otra alianza competidora: StarAlliance.
OneWorld cuenta adems con la compaa Aerolneas Argentinas como empresa asociada, aunque por el momento no es socia de pleno derecho, debido fundamentalmente a sus dificultades econmicas y a la incertidumbre de su viabilidad. Sin embargo, su papel de gran transportista en Latinoamrica con conexiones a Europa, Norteamrica y el Pacfico, la convierten en parte importante de OneWorld.
Last paragraph roughly translates as : Aerolineas is an associated company, not yet with full rights, due to it's financial difficulties and the uncertainty of it's viability. However, it's role as a great carrier in Latin America with connections to Europe, North America and the Pacific, makes it an important part of OneWorld.
Note: I forgot to mention that this text appears to have been written in 2001 as the third paragraph mentions "Canadian Airlines abandoned Oneworld the previous year" (i.e. 2000)
After having a look at the archives on the Oneworld Alliance site I did a google serach and found this (From:
http://usca.es/atcmag/27/mercado.htm)
OneWorld se cre en 1998 y fue apadrinada por British Airways (BA), American Airlines, Quantas, Cathay Pacific y Canadian Airlines. En septiembre de 1999 se unieron a ella Iberia y Finnair, y en junio de 2000 lo hicieron Aer Lingus y Lan Chile.
El tndem British Airways-American Airlines es tan fuerte, que el tribunal de la competencia no les permiti unificar sus vuelos transatlnticos con origen en Inglaterra, ya que entre los dos hubieran sumado ms del cincuenta por ciento de las frecuencias.
Uno de los socios fundadores, Canadian Airlines, abandon el grupo el ao pasado al ser absorbida por Air Canada, que forma parte de otra alianza competidora: StarAlliance.
OneWorld cuenta adems con la compaa Aerolneas Argentinas como empresa asociada, aunque por el momento no es socia de pleno derecho, debido fundamentalmente a sus dificultades econmicas y a la incertidumbre de su viabilidad. Sin embargo, su papel de gran transportista en Latinoamrica con conexiones a Europa, Norteamrica y el Pacfico, la convierten en parte importante de OneWorld.
Last paragraph roughly translates as : Aerolineas is an associated company, not yet with full rights, due to it's financial difficulties and the uncertainty of it's viability. However, it's role as a great carrier in Latin America with connections to Europe, North America and the Pacific, makes it an important part of OneWorld.
Note: I forgot to mention that this text appears to have been written in 2001 as the third paragraph mentions "Canadian Airlines abandoned Oneworld the previous year" (i.e. 2000)
Last edited by Dani; Nov 4, 2004 at 9:03 am Reason: forgot to mention the date article appears to have be written
Nov 4, 2004 | 5:58 am
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Originally Posted by SFO-SJC Flyer
Was Aerolineas Argentinas a member of oneworld?
If so, what happened?
I remember them once being a member. They might have even been a founding member. I am trying to remember, but I just cannot recall whether or not they were actually a member or were going to join. Maybe someone can assist me with this.
If so, what happened?
I remember them once being a member. They might have even been a founding member. I am trying to remember, but I just cannot recall whether or not they were actually a member or were going to join. Maybe someone can assist me with this.
Edit: Which year was OneWorld established?
Last edited by GUWonder; Nov 4, 2004 at 6:02 am
Nov 4, 2004 | 6:37 am
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This might have been related to Iberia's ownership in Aerolineas. According to Argentinians Iberia almost ruined Aerolineas and left them in a bad condition. Many of the aircrafts AR had acquired were transfered to IB, whereas AR got the old fleet from IB.
Nov 4, 2004 | 6:43 am
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No, Aerolineas was never a member. There was talk and speculation because they were partnered with AA but realistically Oneworld's formation and expansion were during the Argentinian crisis and the talk wasn't taken all that seriously. In fact, Aerolineas shut down ops for a bit during that period. I want to say in 2001 but I can't remember for sure.
This is from memory so things might be slightly off but close enough for government work. Oneworld was formed in 1999 (hence the current 15k promo) by American, British, Cathay, Qantas, and Canadian Pacific. Not long after, Iberia and Finnair joined and the following year Lan Chile and Aer Lingus joined (when I started flying the alliance). I believe that Lan is technically the newest member. Sometime in 2000, Canadian Pacific was unfortunately bought by Air Canada and went away. In 2003, Swiss gets provisional membership but ends up being dropped supposedly due to BA's demands regarding the Swiss Travel Club.
This is from memory so things might be slightly off but close enough for government work. Oneworld was formed in 1999 (hence the current 15k promo) by American, British, Cathay, Qantas, and Canadian Pacific. Not long after, Iberia and Finnair joined and the following year Lan Chile and Aer Lingus joined (when I started flying the alliance). I believe that Lan is technically the newest member. Sometime in 2000, Canadian Pacific was unfortunately bought by Air Canada and went away. In 2003, Swiss gets provisional membership but ends up being dropped supposedly due to BA's demands regarding the Swiss Travel Club.
Nov 4, 2004 | 9:11 am
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From oneworldalliance.com
From the news archives....(March 2000)
Canadian to withdraw from oneworld on June 1
March 14, 2000
The oneworld airline alliance governing board has confirmed that Canadian Airlines International will no longer participate in the alliance or offer customer benefits as of June 1, 2000.
Canadian Airlines was a founding member of oneworld, along with American Airlines, British Airways, Cathay Pacific Airways and Qantas. Canadian announced late last year that it would withdraw from oneworld after it was purchased by Air Canada.
Since oneworld's launch in February 1999, Finnair and Iberia have joined. LanChile and Aer Lingus will also begin offering oneworld customer services and benefits in mid-2000.
**No mention of Aerolineas Argentinas.....by the way, I found it interesting reading some of the archived news.
Canadian to withdraw from oneworld on June 1
March 14, 2000
The oneworld airline alliance governing board has confirmed that Canadian Airlines International will no longer participate in the alliance or offer customer benefits as of June 1, 2000.
Canadian Airlines was a founding member of oneworld, along with American Airlines, British Airways, Cathay Pacific Airways and Qantas. Canadian announced late last year that it would withdraw from oneworld after it was purchased by Air Canada.
Since oneworld's launch in February 1999, Finnair and Iberia have joined. LanChile and Aer Lingus will also begin offering oneworld customer services and benefits in mid-2000.
**No mention of Aerolineas Argentinas.....by the way, I found it interesting reading some of the archived news.
Nov 4, 2004 | 5:02 pm
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Darren's version is the most accurate
Indeed, it was AA, BA, CP, CX and QF who founded OW. Canadian (not Canadian Pacific which was what it was formerly named) was reportedly a tagalong with AA.
AR was definitely not part of the group.
AR was definitely not part of the group.
