Feb 23, 2015, 2:47 pm
Last edit by: Mwenenzi
The information in this wiki is out of date - please see the information in the wiki in this new thread ---> The Oneworld Explorer User Guide
The oneworld explorer ticket thread.
Thanks to eamus in particular for the work in starting this thread and collating this information, which is taken from his two posts. This wiki supersedes the information in those first two posts. It is now community-maintained, please be bold and amend as you see fit.
The purpose of this thread is to collect some FAQs on the most popular oneworld ticket, the Explorer. This thread is not intended to be totally comprehensive, nor is it a substitute for using the search function for specific or obscure points (the search function is at the top right of your screen, in case you missed it!). It is an aid for planning your massive mileage-earning trip round the world on the airlines of the oneworld alliance. Once you have trawled through this thread you should be OK to start work on your itinerary. If you have any questions not covered here or in a search of old threads, don't be afraid to post and ask the experts here.
Please note that while we attempt to be as accurate as possible, the official rules do change. The airline who issues your ticket will have final say on what the rules are, and how they interpret them. Here goes:
Terminology:
Q: You people seem to like talking in code. Do you have a glossary?
A: Of course. Here are some basic terms:
ONE or OWE = oneworld Explorer ticket
DONE4 = D class (business class) oneworld Explorer ticket for 4 continents. The initial letter is A, D or L depending on whether it is First, Bus. or Economy, and the final number is the number of continents, 3-6 (sometimes a * is used to indicate a generic question/response, eg. *ONE4 or *ONE*)
Segment = a flight with a single flight number between two cities, whether or not it stops between the origin and destination, and whether or not there is a change of aircraft along the way. So for instance SYD-JFK is one segment even though it stops in LAX, but NRT-HKT is two segments (NRT-HKG, HKG-HKT) since there is no oneworld single flight number between NRT and HKT. Don't confuse "segment" with "sector," another term you often see. A sector is one take off and one landing, so SYD-JFK is two sectors but only one segment.
Other Useful Terms:
F, J, Y = the full price booking classes for first, business and economy classes respectively. Being discount tickets, *ONE* tickets generally use A, D or L for the respective classes, but sometimes people like to use "J" as a generic way of describing business class, for instance.
RTW = round the world
SWP = South West Pacific (one of the continents)
WT+ = World Traveller Plus, the premium economy cabin on some BA flights
The Airlines:
AA = American Airlines
AB = Air Berlin (HG for Niki) Shutdown 28 Oct 2017
AY = Finnair
AT = Royal Air Maroc (joined 1 April 2020)
BA = British Airways
CX = Cathay Pacific (and KA for Cathay Dragon)
IB = Iberia
JJ = LATAM Left OW alliance
JL = Japan Airlines (and NU for Japan Transocean AIr)
LA = Lan Chile (and XL, 4M for the other Lan's) Left OW alliance
MH = Malaysia Airlines
QF = Qantas (which DOES NOT HAVE A "U" IN IT !!!!!!!)
QR = Qatar Aiways
RJ = Royal Jordanian
S7 = S7 Airlines
UL = SriLankan Airlines
The Basics:
Q: What airlines can I fly with on a ONE ticket?
A: Any oneworld airline, as listed above, or their affiliate airlines (list below may not be up to date, see oneworld.com):
American Eagle (operated by Envoy Airlines, Republic Airlines, SkyWest Airlines, ExpressJet Airlines, Mesa Airlines, Compass Airlines, Trans States Airlines, PSA Airlines, Piedmont Airlines, and Air Wisconsin)
Belair
LGW
TUlfly
BA CitiFlyer including flights operated by Eastern Airways
Comair [South Africa](not to be confused with the Delta affiliate in the US with the same name)
SUN-AIR of Scandinavia
Open Skies
BA Limited
Nordic Regional Airlines (Norra)
Air Norstrum
Iberia Express
J-Air
HAC (Hokkaido Air System)
LATAM Express
LATAM Peru
LATAM Colombia
Alliance Airlines
QantasLink operated by Eastern Australia, Jetconnect (NZ), National Jet Systems, Sunstate Airlines, and Network Aviation
Globus
NOTE: Codeshare flights operated by other partner/affiliate airlines are not permitted on this ticket. So for example the QF flights that are codeshares operated by FJ (Air Pacific) are not eligible. However it is possible to fly on codeshares within the alliance. For example you can take an AA flight number that is actually operated by BA. The benefit of doing this is that it may help depending on which frequent flyer membership you are with, and what bonuses are given with these flights.
NOTE: If a ticket includes travel to/from/via Cuba it may not also include flight segments for travel on American Airlines/American Eagle/American Connection due to US Government restrictions. [this may have cha
Q: What are the basic rules of the fare?
A: It is a round the world ticket, so you must cross both the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean, but can only do so once for each ocean. The fare is calculated based on the number of continents you visit. The continents are counted even if you only change planes there (eg. stopping in Asia on a flight from Europe to Australia), and the continent count includes the continent of origin. See below for backtracking rules. You can fly up to 16 segments in total.
Q: Can I backtrack?
A: You can backtrack within countries and continents, but you cannot re-enter a continent after leaving it, except: (a) a transit without stopover in Asia on a flight between Europe and SWP or vice versa, (b) a transit without stopover in North America on a flight between South America and SWP, Asia or Europe or vice versa, (c) two permitted in Europe/Middle, for travel originating in Africa, Africa - Europe/Middle East - RTW - Europe/Middle East - Africa, for travel originating other than Africa, Europe/Middle East - Africa - Europe/Middle East, one of the visits to Europe/Middle East must be a transfer without stopover between Africa and the previous/next continent, if travel to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa.
Any of these transit without stopover benefits can be taken in either direction (eg. Europe-SWP or SWP-Europe) and either before or after you wish to enter the continent for the second time to use your stopovers there. You can only leave and re-enter the continent of origin once, except for North America where you may have an additional transit without stopover.
Q: What are the continents on which the fare is calculated? Which countries are in which continent?
A: Forget all your geography lessons, and take a look at the map accessible by clicking this hyperlink and you should see the continents. For those who prefer the text, oneworld defines the continents as follows:
North America = United States, Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean area, Central America and Panama
South America = all of South America other than Panama
Europe = all of Europe, including Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, and all of the Middle East including Egypt and Sudan
Africa = all of Africa other than Algeria, Egypt, Morocco and Tunisia
Asia = all of Asia excluding everything in the South West Pacific
South West Pacific = all of the South West Pacific, including Australia and New Zealand
Q: How many of those 16 segments can I use in each continent?
A: You get four (4) segments in each of Europe, Africa, Asia, South America and South West Pacific, and six (6) segments in North America. None of the intercontinental flights, including those across the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, count against any continent allowance, although obviously they do count against your 16 segment total allowance. There are, in addition, other restrictions you need to be aware of.
Q: What about surface segments (eg arrive at LGA and depart from JFK)?
A: These are counted towards the total of 16 segments.
Q: Are there any other restrictions that I have per region/continent?
A: Yes:
Europe - Not more than two Europe/Middle East segments may be used for journeys between the U.K. and the following: Algeria, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Georgia, Greece, Israel, Macedonia, Malta, Montenegro, Morocco, Funchal, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Tunisia, Ukraine, and the Middle East. You get four segments in Europe, so if you go from Heathrow to, say, Dubai, you cannot then go from Heathrow to Greece and back.
Americas - Within North America, only one transcontinental flight is allowed between selected cities on the East and West Coasts. "Transcontinental" is defined as a flight between one of ATL/BWI/BOS/CLT/FLL/BDL/MIA/EWR/NYC/ORL/PHL/PIT/SJU/RDU/TPA/YYZ/WAS/PBI and one of LAS/LGB/LAX/OAK/PHX/PDX/SAN/SFO/SJC/SNA/SEA/YVR. Also, in North America only one segment is permitted between the continental US and Hawaii (so if you want to visit Hawaii, you must go to/from Australia), and only one flight to/from ANC (Anchorage, Alaska) is permitted.
South West Pacific - within Australia only one flight is permitted between:
* Perth, and Brisbane, Canberra, Cairns, Melbourne or Sydney
* Darwin, and Canberra, Melbourne or Sydney
* Broome, and Brisbane, Melbourne or Sydney
* Dampier, and Brisbane, Melbourne or Sydney
Exceptions - there is no restriction between Sydney/Melbourne & Perth for passengers originating in:
* Perth, when in conjunction with travel to/from Jo'burg/Shanghai
* New Zealand, when in conjunction with travel to/from Jo'burg
Q: Can I take the QF flight from LAX-JFK (or vice versa) even if I don't have an onward flight with QF?
A: No. The rules would appear to allow it, but in actual practice QF does not. (Edited to add: The OWE rules don't prohibit it, but QF does not have 5th freedom rights to carry passengers solely between LAX and JFK, i.e., domestically within the U.S. The Passenger must originate/terminate in Australia.)
Q: Can I buy more segments?
A: This is no longer permitted. If you want to exceed the per-continent segment limit, one option is to add a "side trip" which are additional flights that are part of the ticket but calculated and priced per their own fare; you are still limited to a maximum of 16 sectors on one ticket. Another option is to include one or more flights in the booking record that are priced and ticketed separately; since such flights are on their own ticket, they do not count against the 16 segment limit of the main ticket. Not all agents or airlines are comfortable issuing separate tickets out of one booking record, so it is easier to book in a new record, but keeping al flights in one record and issuing separate tickets is often used to increase the ease of having connections protected when there are flight delays, schedule changes, etc.
Q: What about stopovers? What are the rules? And benefits?
A: A stopover is break in your journey of more than 24 hours. You can have as many stopovers as you like (one per segment if you like), but you cannot have more than two stopovers in the continent of origin. The key thing here is the 24-hour rule, and there are two main benefits. First, at some airports (eg. LHR) not having a stopover can save significant taxes as you will be classed as a passenger in transit, and second, you can stop for dinner and a night with friends, even if you are out of stopovers in the country of origin.
Q: Where can I fly on a ONE ticket?
A: You can get an idea of available destinations from the maps on the AA website at this hyperlink; just select oneworld cities once the relevant area has loaded. There is also a pretty bad map on the oneworld website here.
Q: What tools are available for working out my itinerary and the airline timetables?
A) You can access the official oneworld trip planner on https://rtw.oneworld.com/rtw/ - this includes the ability to book most itineraries online.
Q: Can I end my itinerary in a city other than the one where I started?
A: Yes. You can separate your origin and destination under any of the following circumstances: anywhere within the country of origin, between the US and Canada, anywhere within Africa, anywhere within the Middle East, between Hong Kong and China, between Malaysia and Singapore, or between Maldives and Sri Lanka or India. So you could start in CAI and end in DXB, but could not start in JFK and end in MEX.
Booking Tickets:
Q: The booking classes are A (first), D (business) and L (economy). If I buy a first class ticket and there is no first class on my flight, what happens?
A: That depends on what you mean by "no first class." If the seat inventory (A in this case, but the same goes for D) is not available for the flight you want and you can't get a flight that does have available inventory, you get downgraded to the next available inventory class (A goes down to D, and D goes down to L) and no compensation or refund is payable. Except on two class US domestic flights, if the plane is only one class (all economy) or two class (economy and business), then you get downgraded and no compensation or refund is payable. On two class US domestic flights and QR flights within the Middle East, if you hold a D class ticket you can book into the A (first) inventory, if it is available, at no extra charge. On domestic flights on AE (American Eagle), AY, and LA (which are one class except LA's SCL-IPC), all A and D tickets book into the Y (full fare economy) inventory bucket which means it is economy seating, but there should be plenty of availability.
Q: Can I upgrade some of the segments to fly business/first class?
A: In limited circumstances. Your options are: (a) you can upgrade your entire itinerary - subject to availability - by paying the higher class fare but otherwise without penalty, (b) flights operated by AA may be upgraded with AA miles, (c) US/Canada domestic flights operated by AA may be upgraded with 500-mile "sticker" upgrades issued by AA, (d) flights operated by CX may be upgraded using CX miles, (e) flights marketed and operated by JL may be upgraded using JL miles, and (f) flights operated by QF may be upgraded using QF miles/upgrade credits. BA also offers "on board" upgrades for prices ranging from GBP200 up if there is a spare seat on board. Talk to the purser when you board, but these upgrades only qualify for the mileage/status you originally booked. For instance if you were in BA economy and upgraded on board to WT+ for GBP200 on LHR-SIN, you only get the discount economy miles, not the WT+ miles.
Q: Can I upgrade some of the segments to fly premium economy class ?
A: Economy class can be upgraded to CX,JL,QF premium economy cabin or BA World Traveller Plus cabin for an additional charge, per flight segments.
USD1450 for SWP-Asia, SWP-Europe/Middle East, SWP-Norrh America, SWP-South America. USD350 for SEA-South Asian Subcontinent, SEA-Japan/Korea, USD250 for within SEA,Australia,Middle East. USD950 for all ohter sectors.
Booking class: BA(T), JL(E), CX(R), QF(R).
Q: What is an open segment and why would I book that?
A: An open segment is basically setting your itinerary in advance, but not confirming your seat on the plane. You do this by leaving the date on the flight coupon (eg. LHR-JFK) open, even though you have decided that you will at some point be flying that route. You might do this as it is easier to change your travel timing as you go. If you set all the flight dates and then needed to make a change at some point, you may have to change all the onward flights and not just the next one or two.
The downside is that you need the inventory to be available on the date you finally want to travel, and on some routes/carriers at certain times of the year, A and D inventory may have limited availability. Further, it gives you no protection should a route be discontinued. If a route between XXX and YYY is discontinued, you then will have to pay the reroute fee and use an additional segment to fly XXX-ZZZ-YYY.
Q: Can I change my mind?
A: Yes, you will find the *ONE* to be a reasonably flexible ticket. Date/time changes are permitted at no charge, and subject to availability you can change the oneworld carrier you want to use without charge as long as there is no change in origin/destination and intermediate points (eg. changing BA to QF for a flight SYD-LHR). Changes other than date/time (routing is the obvious change) incur a US$125 charge and the ticket is reissued, with some carriers charging you a service fee. Date/time changes are permitted at no charge, but routing changes incur a US$125 charge, and again some carriers charge you a service fee. The rules don't state that routing changes in this case are a reissue (see below about what happens if the rules change). The number of continents/extra flight segments may be increased or decreased and you will be charged/refunded accordingly. If you change the date or time of your first flight and the ticket price has increased since you bought the ticket, you'll pay the higher fare. If you need to cancel before departure, tickets originating in North or South America incur a penalty of 10% of the ticket price, tickets originating elsewhere incur no penalty. If you need to cancel after departure, all tickets other than those originating in SWP (no penalty) or Japan (lower of 10% penalty or JPY50,000) incur a 10% penalty. You may get a refund of the unused portion of your ticket based on the cost of the flights used to date and the penalty due.
Q: What happens if the rules on my ticket change, or are about to change?
A: If the rules change before your ticket is issued, then the new rules will apply and you will have to change any existing reservations that are not permitted under the new rules. If the rules change after your ticket is issued, the rules that apply are those that were in force when your ticket was issued. But be aware - if after the rules change you want to cancel the ticket, or to do something not permitted under the old rules, then the ticket will be cancelled and reissued, and the new rules will apply. If you are worried about rule changes and want to maximize your flexibility, set your last flight to be 12 months after the date of your first flight (which is permitted). This gives you 12 months' worth of flexibility once you start travelling since date changes are currently free of charge. To give yourself even more flexibility, get your ticket issued up to 12 months in advance of your first flight (which is also permitted), which gives you an effective 2 year lock on the rules as long as you don't change that first flight.
Q: How much does the ticket cost?
A: The base ticket price depends on the number of continents you visit, a minimum of three and a maximum of six, and the starting country. Oneworld no longer publishes a list of base ticket prices. Taxes and charges are added to this base ticket price as determined by your itinerary. Note that similar or even identical itineraries can thus have varied pricing depending on which airlines you fly and/or use to ticket as charges can vary between airlines flown and ticketing . Infants under 2 and not occupying a seat are charged 10% of the adult fare. Children 2-11 and occupying a seat are charged 75% of the adult fare, except for tickets originating in India where they pay 67% of the adult fare.
Q: If I pony up the money for an A ticket, which routes still have "real" first class?
A: This is a bit of a moving target, but essentially the following routes have traditional first class service on a three class plane (all include the reverse routes too):
AA - LHR to LAX, JFK, ORD, BOS and MIA; NRT to LAX, SJC and JFK; GRU to MIA and JFK; DFW to LGW and FRA; and some flights MIA to EZE
BA - LHR to SYD, HKG, SIN, NRT, HND, KUL, PEK, PVG, JFK, EWR, YYZ, YVR, BOS, PHL, ATL, AUS, DFW, DEN, IAH, LAX, LAS, SJC, SAN, IAD, PHX, SFO, SEA, MIA, JNB, CPT, DXB, AUH, MCT, DOH, ABV, LOS, ACC, BOM, NBO, GRU, SCL, MEX, DEL, BLR, BAH, JED, RUH, KWI, TLV and CAI; LGW to BGI, BDA, GND, POS, UVF
CX - HKG to LHR, JFK, LAX, YVR, FRA, SFO, and CDG; some flights HKG to HND, and unpredictably to NRT, SIN, BKK, MNL, KIX, SEL, TPE, and CGK.
JL - HND to CDG, LHR, and SFO; NRT to JFK, LAX, ORD, CGK, and SYD.
QF - LAX to JFK, SYD and MEL; SYD-SFO + SFO-YVR (seasonal), LHR to SIN, BKK, HKG, SYD and MEL; some flights HKG to SYD and MEL, SYD-JNB (seasonal F Class offering?), although one weekly SYD-JNB (Fridays?) and SYD-SFO service is operated by Qantas' 2-class 747-400s (no First Class, only J/Y).
QR - Any route served by the Airbus 380.
LA - SCL to MAD, FRA, AKL, and SYD
Q: Have there been any problems with handwritten tickets?
A: You need to confirm that each airline receives the ticket number for the flights that are booked on them. In particular, Cathay has been known to cancel space if it has not received the ticket number. Although the booking airline should send the ticket number to all airlines on the itinerary, it is best to call Cathay to assure they have received it.
Miles and Status:
This is a very difficult section, since what you will earn in terms of miles and elite status depends on which airline program you want to use. As a related point, you may find that a routing needs to be constructed using or avoiding certain oneworld airlines because of the mileage-earning implications. For instance, L class tickets on BA gets 25% miles when booked to the QF program, but the same L ticket on the QF codeshare earns 100% QF miles. All programs are geared off the booking class, so knowing the booking class and the flight number/operator are the key points. The best advice is to thoroughly check the earning rules for your preferred program(s), and if necessary, post questions on your local airline forum if you are unsure. That said, there a very general FAQ that the regulars on this forum thought should be posted.
Q: I know that the booking classes are A, D and L, but what happens to my miles if I am booked into another class?
A: Generally you will earn miles for the class in which you travel. If you are downgraded from A to D, you will earn D miles/status. Similarly, if you are on a domestic US flight and your D ticket is booked into the A inventory, you will earn A miles/status. If you upgrade individual flights, you receive the miles for the flight in which you were booked originally (ie. before the upgrade) except for pre-paid WT+ upgrades where you get the applicable WT+ miles/status. As said above, on board upgrades on BA earn miles/status for the class originally booked.
Q: Is there a consistent baggage limit, and if so, what is it?
A: The xONEx checked baggage allowance is 2 pieces. Each carrier can specify its own limit on the maximum weight allowed per piece. On some it is 32kg, on others it is 23kg, and there may be variations for some flights (eg QF domestic prop flights have a lower limit).
Further Information:
All the above information comes from the universal starfiles, which are the rules applicable to these (and other) tickets. Some very nice FTers have obtained copies of the rules and posted them on their websites. Note though that since the airlines do not routinely make the starfiles available to the public there may be a time lag in updated files becoming available to this community.
The oneworld.com does now routinely publish the rules which can be found by searching on their website via http://www.oneworld.com/search-results?q=rules
Validity Tools to check your routing
This tool is great for doing initial validity checks on your routing: http://www.slfft.org/mm/award.htm
If this location is inaccessible, see this thread for more information: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...ml#post6954703
Earning AA miles & status https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...-miles-aa.html
Edit
AB Air Berlin shut down 28 Oct 2017
LA Latam left OW May 2020
AT joined OW 1 April 2020
The oneworld explorer ticket thread.
Thanks to eamus in particular for the work in starting this thread and collating this information, which is taken from his two posts. This wiki supersedes the information in those first two posts. It is now community-maintained, please be bold and amend as you see fit.
The purpose of this thread is to collect some FAQs on the most popular oneworld ticket, the Explorer. This thread is not intended to be totally comprehensive, nor is it a substitute for using the search function for specific or obscure points (the search function is at the top right of your screen, in case you missed it!). It is an aid for planning your massive mileage-earning trip round the world on the airlines of the oneworld alliance. Once you have trawled through this thread you should be OK to start work on your itinerary. If you have any questions not covered here or in a search of old threads, don't be afraid to post and ask the experts here.
Please note that while we attempt to be as accurate as possible, the official rules do change. The airline who issues your ticket will have final say on what the rules are, and how they interpret them. Here goes:
Terminology:
Q: You people seem to like talking in code. Do you have a glossary?
A: Of course. Here are some basic terms:
ONE or OWE = oneworld Explorer ticket
DONE4 = D class (business class) oneworld Explorer ticket for 4 continents. The initial letter is A, D or L depending on whether it is First, Bus. or Economy, and the final number is the number of continents, 3-6 (sometimes a * is used to indicate a generic question/response, eg. *ONE4 or *ONE*)
Segment = a flight with a single flight number between two cities, whether or not it stops between the origin and destination, and whether or not there is a change of aircraft along the way. So for instance SYD-JFK is one segment even though it stops in LAX, but NRT-HKT is two segments (NRT-HKG, HKG-HKT) since there is no oneworld single flight number between NRT and HKT. Don't confuse "segment" with "sector," another term you often see. A sector is one take off and one landing, so SYD-JFK is two sectors but only one segment.
Other Useful Terms:
F, J, Y = the full price booking classes for first, business and economy classes respectively. Being discount tickets, *ONE* tickets generally use A, D or L for the respective classes, but sometimes people like to use "J" as a generic way of describing business class, for instance.
RTW = round the world
SWP = South West Pacific (one of the continents)
WT+ = World Traveller Plus, the premium economy cabin on some BA flights
The Airlines:
AA = American Airlines
AY = Finnair
AT = Royal Air Maroc (joined 1 April 2020)
BA = British Airways
CX = Cathay Pacific (and KA for Cathay Dragon)
IB = Iberia
JL = Japan Airlines (and NU for Japan Transocean AIr)
MH = Malaysia Airlines
QF = Qantas (which DOES NOT HAVE A "U" IN IT !!!!!!!)
QR = Qatar Aiways
RJ = Royal Jordanian
S7 = S7 Airlines
UL = SriLankan Airlines
The Basics:
Q: What airlines can I fly with on a ONE ticket?
A: Any oneworld airline, as listed above, or their affiliate airlines (list below may not be up to date, see oneworld.com):
American Eagle (operated by Envoy Airlines, Republic Airlines, SkyWest Airlines, ExpressJet Airlines, Mesa Airlines, Compass Airlines, Trans States Airlines, PSA Airlines, Piedmont Airlines, and Air Wisconsin)
LGW
TUlfly
BA CitiFlyer including flights operated by Eastern Airways
Comair [South Africa](not to be confused with the Delta affiliate in the US with the same name)
SUN-AIR of Scandinavia
Open Skies
BA Limited
Nordic Regional Airlines (Norra)
Air Norstrum
Iberia Express
J-Air
HAC (Hokkaido Air System)
Alliance Airlines
QantasLink operated by Eastern Australia, Jetconnect (NZ), National Jet Systems, Sunstate Airlines, and Network Aviation
Globus
NOTE: Codeshare flights operated by other partner/affiliate airlines are not permitted on this ticket. So for example the QF flights that are codeshares operated by FJ (Air Pacific) are not eligible. However it is possible to fly on codeshares within the alliance. For example you can take an AA flight number that is actually operated by BA. The benefit of doing this is that it may help depending on which frequent flyer membership you are with, and what bonuses are given with these flights.
NOTE: If a ticket includes travel to/from/via Cuba it may not also include flight segments for travel on American Airlines/American Eagle/American Connection due to US Government restrictions. [this may have cha
Q: What are the basic rules of the fare?
A: It is a round the world ticket, so you must cross both the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean, but can only do so once for each ocean. The fare is calculated based on the number of continents you visit. The continents are counted even if you only change planes there (eg. stopping in Asia on a flight from Europe to Australia), and the continent count includes the continent of origin. See below for backtracking rules. You can fly up to 16 segments in total.
Q: Can I backtrack?
A: You can backtrack within countries and continents, but you cannot re-enter a continent after leaving it, except: (a) a transit without stopover in Asia on a flight between Europe and SWP or vice versa, (b) a transit without stopover in North America on a flight between South America and SWP, Asia or Europe or vice versa, (c) two permitted in Europe/Middle, for travel originating in Africa, Africa - Europe/Middle East - RTW - Europe/Middle East - Africa, for travel originating other than Africa, Europe/Middle East - Africa - Europe/Middle East, one of the visits to Europe/Middle East must be a transfer without stopover between Africa and the previous/next continent, if travel to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa.
Any of these transit without stopover benefits can be taken in either direction (eg. Europe-SWP or SWP-Europe) and either before or after you wish to enter the continent for the second time to use your stopovers there. You can only leave and re-enter the continent of origin once, except for North America where you may have an additional transit without stopover.
Q: What are the continents on which the fare is calculated? Which countries are in which continent?
A: Forget all your geography lessons, and take a look at the map accessible by clicking this hyperlink and you should see the continents. For those who prefer the text, oneworld defines the continents as follows:
North America = United States, Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean area, Central America and Panama
South America = all of South America other than Panama
Europe = all of Europe, including Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, and all of the Middle East including Egypt and Sudan
Africa = all of Africa other than Algeria, Egypt, Morocco and Tunisia
Asia = all of Asia excluding everything in the South West Pacific
South West Pacific = all of the South West Pacific, including Australia and New Zealand
Q: How many of those 16 segments can I use in each continent?
A: You get four (4) segments in each of Europe, Africa, Asia, South America and South West Pacific, and six (6) segments in North America. None of the intercontinental flights, including those across the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, count against any continent allowance, although obviously they do count against your 16 segment total allowance. There are, in addition, other restrictions you need to be aware of.
Q: What about surface segments (eg arrive at LGA and depart from JFK)?
A: These are counted towards the total of 16 segments.
Q: Are there any other restrictions that I have per region/continent?
A: Yes:
Europe - Not more than two Europe/Middle East segments may be used for journeys between the U.K. and the following: Algeria, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Georgia, Greece, Israel, Macedonia, Malta, Montenegro, Morocco, Funchal, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Tunisia, Ukraine, and the Middle East. You get four segments in Europe, so if you go from Heathrow to, say, Dubai, you cannot then go from Heathrow to Greece and back.
Americas - Within North America, only one transcontinental flight is allowed between selected cities on the East and West Coasts. "Transcontinental" is defined as a flight between one of ATL/BWI/BOS/CLT/FLL/BDL/MIA/EWR/NYC/ORL/PHL/PIT/SJU/RDU/TPA/YYZ/WAS/PBI and one of LAS/LGB/LAX/OAK/PHX/PDX/SAN/SFO/SJC/SNA/SEA/YVR. Also, in North America only one segment is permitted between the continental US and Hawaii (so if you want to visit Hawaii, you must go to/from Australia), and only one flight to/from ANC (Anchorage, Alaska) is permitted.
South West Pacific - within Australia only one flight is permitted between:
* Perth, and Brisbane, Canberra, Cairns, Melbourne or Sydney
* Darwin, and Canberra, Melbourne or Sydney
* Broome, and Brisbane, Melbourne or Sydney
* Dampier, and Brisbane, Melbourne or Sydney
Exceptions - there is no restriction between Sydney/Melbourne & Perth for passengers originating in:
* Perth, when in conjunction with travel to/from Jo'burg/Shanghai
* New Zealand, when in conjunction with travel to/from Jo'burg
Q: Can I take the QF flight from LAX-JFK (or vice versa) even if I don't have an onward flight with QF?
A: No. The rules would appear to allow it, but in actual practice QF does not. (Edited to add: The OWE rules don't prohibit it, but QF does not have 5th freedom rights to carry passengers solely between LAX and JFK, i.e., domestically within the U.S. The Passenger must originate/terminate in Australia.)
Q: Can I buy more segments?
A: This is no longer permitted. If you want to exceed the per-continent segment limit, one option is to add a "side trip" which are additional flights that are part of the ticket but calculated and priced per their own fare; you are still limited to a maximum of 16 sectors on one ticket. Another option is to include one or more flights in the booking record that are priced and ticketed separately; since such flights are on their own ticket, they do not count against the 16 segment limit of the main ticket. Not all agents or airlines are comfortable issuing separate tickets out of one booking record, so it is easier to book in a new record, but keeping al flights in one record and issuing separate tickets is often used to increase the ease of having connections protected when there are flight delays, schedule changes, etc.
Q: What about stopovers? What are the rules? And benefits?
A: A stopover is break in your journey of more than 24 hours. You can have as many stopovers as you like (one per segment if you like), but you cannot have more than two stopovers in the continent of origin. The key thing here is the 24-hour rule, and there are two main benefits. First, at some airports (eg. LHR) not having a stopover can save significant taxes as you will be classed as a passenger in transit, and second, you can stop for dinner and a night with friends, even if you are out of stopovers in the country of origin.
Q: Where can I fly on a ONE ticket?
A: You can get an idea of available destinations from the maps on the AA website at this hyperlink; just select oneworld cities once the relevant area has loaded. There is also a pretty bad map on the oneworld website here.
Q: What tools are available for working out my itinerary and the airline timetables?
A) You can access the official oneworld trip planner on https://rtw.oneworld.com/rtw/ - this includes the ability to book most itineraries online.
Q: Can I end my itinerary in a city other than the one where I started?
A: Yes. You can separate your origin and destination under any of the following circumstances: anywhere within the country of origin, between the US and Canada, anywhere within Africa, anywhere within the Middle East, between Hong Kong and China, between Malaysia and Singapore, or between Maldives and Sri Lanka or India. So you could start in CAI and end in DXB, but could not start in JFK and end in MEX.
Booking Tickets:
Q: The booking classes are A (first), D (business) and L (economy). If I buy a first class ticket and there is no first class on my flight, what happens?
A: That depends on what you mean by "no first class." If the seat inventory (A in this case, but the same goes for D) is not available for the flight you want and you can't get a flight that does have available inventory, you get downgraded to the next available inventory class (A goes down to D, and D goes down to L) and no compensation or refund is payable. Except on two class US domestic flights, if the plane is only one class (all economy) or two class (economy and business), then you get downgraded and no compensation or refund is payable. On two class US domestic flights and QR flights within the Middle East, if you hold a D class ticket you can book into the A (first) inventory, if it is available, at no extra charge. On domestic flights on AE (American Eagle), AY, and LA (which are one class except LA's SCL-IPC), all A and D tickets book into the Y (full fare economy) inventory bucket which means it is economy seating, but there should be plenty of availability.
Q: Can I upgrade some of the segments to fly business/first class?
A: In limited circumstances. Your options are: (a) you can upgrade your entire itinerary - subject to availability - by paying the higher class fare but otherwise without penalty, (b) flights operated by AA may be upgraded with AA miles, (c) US/Canada domestic flights operated by AA may be upgraded with 500-mile "sticker" upgrades issued by AA, (d) flights operated by CX may be upgraded using CX miles, (e) flights marketed and operated by JL may be upgraded using JL miles, and (f) flights operated by QF may be upgraded using QF miles/upgrade credits. BA also offers "on board" upgrades for prices ranging from GBP200 up if there is a spare seat on board. Talk to the purser when you board, but these upgrades only qualify for the mileage/status you originally booked. For instance if you were in BA economy and upgraded on board to WT+ for GBP200 on LHR-SIN, you only get the discount economy miles, not the WT+ miles.
Q: Can I upgrade some of the segments to fly premium economy class ?
A: Economy class can be upgraded to CX,JL,QF premium economy cabin or BA World Traveller Plus cabin for an additional charge, per flight segments.
USD1450 for SWP-Asia, SWP-Europe/Middle East, SWP-Norrh America, SWP-South America. USD350 for SEA-South Asian Subcontinent, SEA-Japan/Korea, USD250 for within SEA,Australia,Middle East. USD950 for all ohter sectors.
Booking class: BA(T), JL(E), CX(R), QF(R).
Q: What is an open segment and why would I book that?
A: An open segment is basically setting your itinerary in advance, but not confirming your seat on the plane. You do this by leaving the date on the flight coupon (eg. LHR-JFK) open, even though you have decided that you will at some point be flying that route. You might do this as it is easier to change your travel timing as you go. If you set all the flight dates and then needed to make a change at some point, you may have to change all the onward flights and not just the next one or two.
The downside is that you need the inventory to be available on the date you finally want to travel, and on some routes/carriers at certain times of the year, A and D inventory may have limited availability. Further, it gives you no protection should a route be discontinued. If a route between XXX and YYY is discontinued, you then will have to pay the reroute fee and use an additional segment to fly XXX-ZZZ-YYY.
Q: Can I change my mind?
A: Yes, you will find the *ONE* to be a reasonably flexible ticket. Date/time changes are permitted at no charge, and subject to availability you can change the oneworld carrier you want to use without charge as long as there is no change in origin/destination and intermediate points (eg. changing BA to QF for a flight SYD-LHR). Changes other than date/time (routing is the obvious change) incur a US$125 charge and the ticket is reissued, with some carriers charging you a service fee. Date/time changes are permitted at no charge, but routing changes incur a US$125 charge, and again some carriers charge you a service fee. The rules don't state that routing changes in this case are a reissue (see below about what happens if the rules change). The number of continents/extra flight segments may be increased or decreased and you will be charged/refunded accordingly. If you change the date or time of your first flight and the ticket price has increased since you bought the ticket, you'll pay the higher fare. If you need to cancel before departure, tickets originating in North or South America incur a penalty of 10% of the ticket price, tickets originating elsewhere incur no penalty. If you need to cancel after departure, all tickets other than those originating in SWP (no penalty) or Japan (lower of 10% penalty or JPY50,000) incur a 10% penalty. You may get a refund of the unused portion of your ticket based on the cost of the flights used to date and the penalty due.
Q: What happens if the rules on my ticket change, or are about to change?
A: If the rules change before your ticket is issued, then the new rules will apply and you will have to change any existing reservations that are not permitted under the new rules. If the rules change after your ticket is issued, the rules that apply are those that were in force when your ticket was issued. But be aware - if after the rules change you want to cancel the ticket, or to do something not permitted under the old rules, then the ticket will be cancelled and reissued, and the new rules will apply. If you are worried about rule changes and want to maximize your flexibility, set your last flight to be 12 months after the date of your first flight (which is permitted). This gives you 12 months' worth of flexibility once you start travelling since date changes are currently free of charge. To give yourself even more flexibility, get your ticket issued up to 12 months in advance of your first flight (which is also permitted), which gives you an effective 2 year lock on the rules as long as you don't change that first flight.
Q: How much does the ticket cost?
A: The base ticket price depends on the number of continents you visit, a minimum of three and a maximum of six, and the starting country. Oneworld no longer publishes a list of base ticket prices. Taxes and charges are added to this base ticket price as determined by your itinerary. Note that similar or even identical itineraries can thus have varied pricing depending on which airlines you fly and/or use to ticket as charges can vary between airlines flown and ticketing . Infants under 2 and not occupying a seat are charged 10% of the adult fare. Children 2-11 and occupying a seat are charged 75% of the adult fare, except for tickets originating in India where they pay 67% of the adult fare.
Q: If I pony up the money for an A ticket, which routes still have "real" first class?
A: This is a bit of a moving target, but essentially the following routes have traditional first class service on a three class plane (all include the reverse routes too):
AA - LHR to LAX, JFK, ORD, BOS and MIA; NRT to LAX, SJC and JFK; GRU to MIA and JFK; DFW to LGW and FRA; and some flights MIA to EZE
BA - LHR to SYD, HKG, SIN, NRT, HND, KUL, PEK, PVG, JFK, EWR, YYZ, YVR, BOS, PHL, ATL, AUS, DFW, DEN, IAH, LAX, LAS, SJC, SAN, IAD, PHX, SFO, SEA, MIA, JNB, CPT, DXB, AUH, MCT, DOH, ABV, LOS, ACC, BOM, NBO, GRU, SCL, MEX, DEL, BLR, BAH, JED, RUH, KWI, TLV and CAI; LGW to BGI, BDA, GND, POS, UVF
CX - HKG to LHR, JFK, LAX, YVR, FRA, SFO, and CDG; some flights HKG to HND, and unpredictably to NRT, SIN, BKK, MNL, KIX, SEL, TPE, and CGK.
JL - HND to CDG, LHR, and SFO; NRT to JFK, LAX, ORD, CGK, and SYD.
QF - LAX to JFK, SYD and MEL; SYD-SFO + SFO-YVR (seasonal), LHR to SIN, BKK, HKG, SYD and MEL; some flights HKG to SYD and MEL, SYD-JNB (seasonal F Class offering?), although one weekly SYD-JNB (Fridays?) and SYD-SFO service is operated by Qantas' 2-class 747-400s (no First Class, only J/Y).
QR - Any route served by the Airbus 380.
Q: Have there been any problems with handwritten tickets?
A: You need to confirm that each airline receives the ticket number for the flights that are booked on them. In particular, Cathay has been known to cancel space if it has not received the ticket number. Although the booking airline should send the ticket number to all airlines on the itinerary, it is best to call Cathay to assure they have received it.
Code:
: 104N . * WHEN A TICKET MUST BE HANDWRITTEN, IT IS 105N . NECESSARY TO MANUALLY INSERT AN SSR MESSAGE TO 106N . ADVISE THE TICKET NUMBER TO ALL CARRIERS IN THE 107N . ITINERARY. THIS WILL PREVENT THE OTHER CARRIERS 108N . FROM CANCELING SPACE DUE TO NO TICKET NUMBER. Booking Class: AONEx DONEx IONEx LONEx AA(except AA2755-6099) A D I L AA2755-6099 D/Y D/Y I L BA/CX/KA/MH/QF/QR A D I LAB/HG/IB/RJ/UL D D I L S7 D D D L AY International D D I L AY Domestic Y Y Y L JL International A D I L JL/NU Domestic F J J Y JJ J/W D/W I/W LLA International J/W D/W I/W L XL/4M International J/W D I LLA IPC-SCL vv J/W D I L LA/XL/4M Domestic Y Y Y LAA PREMIUM ECONOMY P IB PREMIUM ECONOMY T BA WORLD TRAVELLER PLUS T CX/QF PREMIUM ECONOMY R JL PREMIUM ECONOMY E
Miles and Status:
This is a very difficult section, since what you will earn in terms of miles and elite status depends on which airline program you want to use. As a related point, you may find that a routing needs to be constructed using or avoiding certain oneworld airlines because of the mileage-earning implications. For instance, L class tickets on BA gets 25% miles when booked to the QF program, but the same L ticket on the QF codeshare earns 100% QF miles. All programs are geared off the booking class, so knowing the booking class and the flight number/operator are the key points. The best advice is to thoroughly check the earning rules for your preferred program(s), and if necessary, post questions on your local airline forum if you are unsure. That said, there a very general FAQ that the regulars on this forum thought should be posted.
Q: I know that the booking classes are A, D and L, but what happens to my miles if I am booked into another class?
A: Generally you will earn miles for the class in which you travel. If you are downgraded from A to D, you will earn D miles/status. Similarly, if you are on a domestic US flight and your D ticket is booked into the A inventory, you will earn A miles/status. If you upgrade individual flights, you receive the miles for the flight in which you were booked originally (ie. before the upgrade) except for pre-paid WT+ upgrades where you get the applicable WT+ miles/status. As said above, on board upgrades on BA earn miles/status for the class originally booked.
Q: Is there a consistent baggage limit, and if so, what is it?
A: The xONEx checked baggage allowance is 2 pieces. Each carrier can specify its own limit on the maximum weight allowed per piece. On some it is 32kg, on others it is 23kg, and there may be variations for some flights (eg QF domestic prop flights have a lower limit).
Further Information:
All the above information comes from the universal starfiles, which are the rules applicable to these (and other) tickets. Some very nice FTers have obtained copies of the rules and posted them on their websites. Note though that since the airlines do not routinely make the starfiles available to the public there may be a time lag in updated files becoming available to this community.
The oneworld.com does now routinely publish the rules which can be found by searching on their website via http://www.oneworld.com/search-results?q=rules
Validity Tools to check your routing
This tool is great for doing initial validity checks on your routing: http://www.slfft.org/mm/award.htm
If this location is inaccessible, see this thread for more information: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...ml#post6954703
Earning AA miles & status https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...-miles-aa.html
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The oneworld explorer ticket FAQs
Dec 8, 2012 | 3:45 pm
#451
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Programs: QF Gold, VA Gold, NZ Silver, A Club Gold, IHG Gold
Posts: 374
Welcome to FT Knusper
OKA? Osaka = OSA or KIX
Unfortunately you can not take more than one sector between a zone, in this case you are travelling Asia-SW Pacific-Asia-SW Pacific.
I'm not sure why you would want to open jaw (surface) between Japan and New Zealand. To buy that sector is not cheap!
Suggest SIN-HKG-KIX//NRT-SYD-AKL-SYD-HNL etc. with one SYD a transit.
// = open jaw/surface
Be aware that each open jaw counts as a sector towards the maximum permitted of 16. It would be much cheaper to buy a sidetrip to CNS than it would to buy NRT/AKL.
With regard to the taxes/fuel surcharges I suggest you play around with valid routings on http://matrix.itasoftware.com/ which allows you to view these charges and switch codeshares to try and reduce the total bill.
Good luck and enjoy!
OKA? Osaka = OSA or KIX
Unfortunately you can not take more than one sector between a zone, in this case you are travelling Asia-SW Pacific-Asia-SW Pacific.
I'm not sure why you would want to open jaw (surface) between Japan and New Zealand. To buy that sector is not cheap!
Suggest SIN-HKG-KIX//NRT-SYD-AKL-SYD-HNL etc. with one SYD a transit.
// = open jaw/surface
Be aware that each open jaw counts as a sector towards the maximum permitted of 16. It would be much cheaper to buy a sidetrip to CNS than it would to buy NRT/AKL.
With regard to the taxes/fuel surcharges I suggest you play around with valid routings on http://matrix.itasoftware.com/ which allows you to view these charges and switch codeshares to try and reduce the total bill.
Good luck and enjoy!
Dec 10, 2012 | 12:06 am
#452
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 7,220
Dec 10, 2012 | 1:21 am
#453
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 9
Hi guys,
thank you for your help. I just noticed that this a sticky thread, so sorry for posting in hier (I came here via google)
By the way: OKA = okinawa
Your are right, but strangely the online planning allows this itinerary. I think they count singapore to Asia. Funnily enough, when I skip the whole Japan thing and fly FRA-SIN-SYD the price is basically the same despite me havein a ONE3 now instead of a ONE4 - so under these circumstances SIN counts as asia???
The correct and tax improved itinerary looks like this and was verified with milage monkey:
1: FRA-HKG: 1st of 1 (intercontinental entry to Asia without immediate transit & departure)
2: HKG-SIN: 1st of 4 (Asia)
3: SIN-HKG: 2nd of 4 (Asia)
4: HKG-OKA: 3rd of 4 (Asia)
5: OKA-NRT: 4th of 4 (Asia)
6: NRT-SYD: intercontinental
7: SYD-ZQN: 1st of 4 (Southwest Pacific)
8: ZQN-AKL: surface
9: AKL-SYD: 2nd of 4 (Southwest Pacific)
10: SYD-CNS: surface
11: CNS-SYD: 3rd of 4 (Southwest Pacific)
12: SYD-HNL: 1st of 1 (intercontinental entry to North America without immediate transit & departure)
13: HNL-DFW: 1st of 6 (North America)
14: DFW-YVR: 2nd of 6 (North America)
15: YVR-LHR: intercontinental
16: LHR-FRA: 1st of 4 (Europe)
This costs me about 3200 € (= 4.137,50 $)
Sorry, I made a mistake here - my only surface segments are Queenstown - Auckland and Sydney - Cairns. No surface between Japan and New Zealand (see above)
I though that then I would have to pay the ticket in US $ and I could profit from the exchange rates - euro/US $ (minus the credit card currency exchange fees).
When this doesn't work, what advantages do I have with booking at the AA desk? Apparently a lot of people try to book with AA even if AA is only a minor carry on their itinerary.
If this posting here is at the wrong place, please tell me and I will post this in the newbie-thread ;-)
thank you for your help. I just noticed that this a sticky thread, so sorry for posting in hier (I came here via google)
By the way: OKA = okinawa
Originally Posted by dekonz
Unfortunately you can not take more than one sector between a zone, in this case you are travelling Asia-SW Pacific-Asia-SW Pacific.
The correct and tax improved itinerary looks like this and was verified with milage monkey:
1: FRA-HKG: 1st of 1 (intercontinental entry to Asia without immediate transit & departure)
2: HKG-SIN: 1st of 4 (Asia)
3: SIN-HKG: 2nd of 4 (Asia)
4: HKG-OKA: 3rd of 4 (Asia)
5: OKA-NRT: 4th of 4 (Asia)
6: NRT-SYD: intercontinental
7: SYD-ZQN: 1st of 4 (Southwest Pacific)
8: ZQN-AKL: surface
9: AKL-SYD: 2nd of 4 (Southwest Pacific)
10: SYD-CNS: surface
11: CNS-SYD: 3rd of 4 (Southwest Pacific)
12: SYD-HNL: 1st of 1 (intercontinental entry to North America without immediate transit & departure)
13: HNL-DFW: 1st of 6 (North America)
14: DFW-YVR: 2nd of 6 (North America)
15: YVR-LHR: intercontinental
16: LHR-FRA: 1st of 4 (Europe)
This costs me about 3200 € (= 4.137,50 $)
Originally Posted by dekonz
I'm not sure why you would want to open jaw (surface) between Japan and New Zealand. To buy that sector is not cheap!
Suggest SIN-HKG-KIX//NRT-SYD-AKL-SYD-HNL etc. with one SYD a transit.
Be aware that each open jaw counts as a sector towards the maximum permitted of 16. It would be much cheaper to buy a sidetrip to CNS than it would to buy NRT/AKL.
Suggest SIN-HKG-KIX//NRT-SYD-AKL-SYD-HNL etc. with one SYD a transit.
Be aware that each open jaw counts as a sector towards the maximum permitted of 16. It would be much cheaper to buy a sidetrip to CNS than it would to buy NRT/AKL.
I though that then I would have to pay the ticket in US $ and I could profit from the exchange rates - euro/US $ (minus the credit card currency exchange fees).
When this doesn't work, what advantages do I have with booking at the AA desk? Apparently a lot of people try to book with AA even if AA is only a minor carry on their itinerary.
If this posting here is at the wrong place, please tell me and I will post this in the newbie-thread ;-)
Last edited by Knusper; Dec 10, 2012 at 1:44 am
Dec 10, 2012 | 2:05 am
#454
Join Date: Jul 2007
Programs: QFF
Posts: 5,304
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale.
When this doesn't work, what advantages do I have with booking at the AA desk? Apparently a lot of people try to book with AA even if AA is only a minor carry on their itinerary.
If you want the local price and are not present in that country when buying, you need to use the online tool or find an agent in the country of departure willing to do an online electronic transaction.
I think they count singapore to Asia. Funnily enough, when I skip the whole Japan thing and fly FRA-SIN-SYD the price is basically the same despite me havein a ONE3 now instead of a ONE4 - so under these circumstances SIN counts as asia???
Dec 10, 2012 | 4:08 am
#455
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Programs: QF Gold, VA Gold, NZ Silver, A Club Gold, IHG Gold
Posts: 374
Often folk decide to write their own versions of IATA airport codes - AUK for AKL being one notable one!Any ONE itinerary that includes SWP has to be at least an xONE4. Even if you are ticketed on say a QF flight FRA-SIN-SYD and do not stopover in SIN you must count this flight as travelling through Asia.
I'm pleased to see you are making progress with your trip planning
Dec 10, 2012 | 4:10 am
#456
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 9
Hi Himeno, thanks for your help!
Why do I get the local price regarding taxes & fees when using the online tool? My understanding is that when booking online, the booking goes to the airline which is carrier of the first flight (in my case that would be Cathay Pacific or Japan Airlines). Do you mean that I can influence the taxes/fee of the entire ONE ticket (not only of the first flight) by chosing the carrier of the first flight? Or is it possible with the online booking to give the booking of the ONE ticket to an airlines of my choice (even when its not the carrier of the first flight) and I have not discovered this option yet?
@deconz: thanks, nevertheless I got the feeling that there is still plenty of room for improvment
People tend to book with AA to reduce the amount of taxes/fees (mostly fuel) paid on the ticket. Until a few weeks ago, people also went through the AA desk to set up the ticket for sale via an agent in Canada. The rule exemption which allowed that was removed. If you want the local price and are not present in that country when buying, you need to use the online tool or find an agent in the country of departure willing to do an online electronic transaction.
If you want the local price and are not present in that country when buying, you need to use the online tool or find an agent in the country of departure willing to do an online electronic transaction.@deconz: thanks, nevertheless I got the feeling that there is still plenty of room for improvment
Last edited by Knusper; Dec 10, 2012 at 4:22 am
Dec 10, 2012 | 5:25 am
#457
Join Date: Jul 2007
Programs: QFF
Posts: 5,304
My understanding is that when booking online, the booking goes to the airline which is carrier of the first flight (in my case that would be Cathay Pacific or Japan Airlines). Do you mean that I can influence the taxes/fee of the entire ONE ticket (not only of the first flight) by chosing the carrier of the first flight? Or is it possible with the online booking to give the booking of the ONE ticket to an airlines of my choice (even when its not the carrier of the first flight) and I have not discovered this option yet?
If the first carrier is JL, RJ or S7, it will send the booking to AA to ticket. However this has been creating a bug in the tool where it will fail on the last page of the booking process. I'm not sure if this has been fixed yet.
You can adjust fees to an extent depending on the ticketing carrier (that carrier may not pass on fees for other carriers) or by carefully selecting different codes for each flight (I was able to save around $300 on my last DONE3 by using an IB code on a BA LHR-DXB - but in order to use that, I had to fly IB instead of BA for my previous MAD-LHR sector).
Dec 11, 2012 | 5:10 am
#458
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 9
Thanks, I think I finally get that "start in a cheap country" thing now. Unfortunately, as I have maxed out my segments (16/16) already this doesn't seem to be an option for me.
Dec 11, 2012 | 6:41 am
#459
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: London, UK
Posts: 1,094
Click through for a larger version.
Dec 11, 2012 | 7:23 pm
#460
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: used to be PER, now it's nowhere/eveywhere
Programs: QFF NB, AA GLD
Posts: 3,685
A look at the most recent fare rules for the oneworld explorer makes me think that this map is still valid, which might help your visualisation of the different regions.
If you ever tweak it, can I make the following suggestions:
- Have the arrow pointing to Hawaii pointing from Nth America rather than from Asia (the current arrow could to be taken to mean Hawaii is part of Asia)
- Show Easter Island and Tahiti and draw the boundary between Sth America and SWP passing between them
- In the Indian Ocean, draw the line between Asia and SWP close to Indonesia (Christmas and Cocos Islands close to Indonesia but are in SWP)
Dec 11, 2012 | 10:34 pm
#461
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: MEL CHC
Posts: 22,909
This link is from the MM site (I sent link it to SLF some months ago). Or google C2852-4 poster
http://web.archive.org/web/200807200...2-4_poster.pdf
Is old, but probably still valid
Christmas and Cocos Islands [Australia], close to Indonesia, may be in no zone.
http://web.archive.org/web/200807200...2-4_poster.pdf
Is old, but probably still valid
Christmas and Cocos Islands [Australia], close to Indonesia, may be in no zone.
Last edited by Mwenenzi; Dec 11, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Dec 12, 2012 | 3:38 am
#462
Join Date: Jul 2007
Programs: QFF
Posts: 5,304
This link is from the MM site (I sent link it to SLF some months ago). Or google C2852-4 poster
http://web.archive.org/web/200807200...2-4_poster.pdf
Is old, but probably still valid
Christmas and Cocos Islands [Australia], close to Indonesia, may be in no zone.
http://web.archive.org/web/200807200...2-4_poster.pdf
Is old, but probably still valid
Christmas and Cocos Islands [Australia], close to Indonesia, may be in no zone.
Dec 12, 2012 | 9:30 am
#463
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 1
Total Price : 7.448 Euros.
Am I doing it right?
Help, Please
Thanks.
Alicante to Madrid
Wednesday, April 24, 2013
Departure: 11:45 Alicante, Spain - Alicante Airport
Arrival: 12:45 Madrid, Spain - Barajas
Airline: Iberia IB361 E
Airbus Industrie A320-100/200
Cabin Class: Business
Madrid to Amman
Friday, April 26, 2013
Departure: 16:40 Madrid, Spain - Barajas
Arrival: 22:35 Amman, Jordan - Queen Alia
Airline: Royal Jordanian RJ110 E
Airbus Industrie A321
Cabin Class: Business
Amman to Hong Kong
Tuesday, May 14, 2013
Departure: 02:10 Amman, Jordan - Queen Alia
Arrival: 20:05 Hong Kong, Hong Kong (SAR of China) - Hong Kong International
Airline: Royal Jordanian RJ182 E
Airbus Industrie A330
Cabin Class: Business
Hong Kong to Bangkok
Wednesday, May 15, 2013
Departure: 14:25 Hong Kong, Hong Kong (SAR of China) - Hong Kong International
Arrival: 16:10 Bangkok, Thailand - Suvarnabhumi International
Airline: Cathay Pacific CX751 E
Airbus Industrie A330-300
Cabin Class: Business
Bangkok to Singapore
Sunday, May 19, 2013
Departure: 11:45 Bangkok, Thailand - Suvarnabhumi International
Arrival: 15:10 Singapore, Singapore - Changi
Airline: Cathay Pacific CX713 E
Boeing 777-300
Cabin Class: Business
Singapore to Sydney
Wednesday, June 05, 2013
Departure: 20:00 Singapore, Singapore - Changi
Arrival: 05:40 +1 day(s) Sydney, Australia - Kingsford Smith
Airline: Qantas Airways QF6 E
Boeing 747-400
Cabin Class: Business
Sydney to Auckland
Friday, June 14, 2013
Departure: 09:30 Sydney, Australia - Kingsford Smith
Arrival: 14:45 Auckland, New Zealand - Auckland
Airline: Qantas Airways QF321 E
Airbus Industrie A340-300
Operated by LAN Airlines
Cabin Class: Business
Auckland to Santiago
Saturday, June 22, 2013
Departure: 16:15 Auckland, New Zealand - Auckland
Arrival: 11:35 Santiago, Chile - Arturo Merino Benitez
Airline: LAN Airlines LA800 E
Airbus Industrie A340-300
Cabin Class: Business
Santiago to Easter Island
Friday, June 28, 2013
Departure: 08:15 Santiago, Chile - Arturo Merino Benitez
Arrival: 12:10 Easter Island, Chile - Mataveri International
Airline: LAN Airlines LA841 E
Boeing 767-300/300ER
Cabin Class: Business
Easter Island to Lima
Tuesday, July 02, 2013
Departure: 10:55 Easter Island, Chile - Mataveri International
Arrival: 17:40 Santiago, Chile - Arturo Merino Benitez
Airline: LAN Airlines LA836 E
Boeing 767-300/300ER
Cabin Class: Business
Change of plane required. Time between flights : 2:25.
Tuesday, July 02, 2013
Departure: 20:05 Santiago, Chile - Arturo Merino Benitez
Arrival: 23:05 Lima, Peru - J Chavez International
Airline: LAN Airlines LA2634 E
Airbus Industrie A320-100/200
Operated by Lanperu
Cabin Class: Premium Economy
Lima to Buenos Aires
Thursday, July 11, 2013
Departure: 23:50 Lima, Peru - J Chavez International
Arrival: 06:15 +1 day(s) Buenos Aires, Argentina - Pistarini
Airline: LAN Airlines LA2724 E
787
Operated by Lanperu
Cabin Class: Business
Buenos Aires to Alicante
Thursday, July 25, 2013
Departure: 12:50 Buenos Aires, Argentina - Pistarini
Arrival: 05:45 +1 day(s) Madrid, Spain - Barajas
Airline: Iberia IB6842 E
Airbus Industrie A340-600
Cabin Class: Business
Change of plane required. Time between flights : 4:15.
Friday, July 26, 2013
Departure: 10:00 Madrid, Spain - Barajas
Arrival: 11:00 Alicante, Spain - Alicante Airport
Airline: Iberia IB364 E
Airbus Industrie A319
Cabin Class: Business
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Alicante to Madrid
Wednesday, April 24, 2013
Departure: 11:45 Alicante, Spain - Alicante Airport
Arrival: 12:45 Madrid, Spain - Barajas
Airline: Iberia IB361 E
Airbus Industrie A320-100/200
Cabin Class: Business
Madrid to Amman
Friday, April 26, 2013
Departure: 16:40 Madrid, Spain - Barajas
Arrival: 22:35 Amman, Jordan - Queen Alia
Airline: Royal Jordanian RJ110 E
Airbus Industrie A321
Cabin Class: Business
Amman to Hong Kong
Tuesday, May 14, 2013
Departure: 02:10 Amman, Jordan - Queen Alia
Arrival: 20:05 Hong Kong, Hong Kong (SAR of China) - Hong Kong International
Airline: Royal Jordanian RJ182 E
Airbus Industrie A330
Cabin Class: Business
Hong Kong to Bangkok
Wednesday, May 15, 2013
Departure: 14:25 Hong Kong, Hong Kong (SAR of China) - Hong Kong International
Arrival: 16:10 Bangkok, Thailand - Suvarnabhumi International
Airline: Cathay Pacific CX751 E
Airbus Industrie A330-300
Cabin Class: Business
Bangkok to Singapore
Sunday, May 19, 2013
Departure: 11:45 Bangkok, Thailand - Suvarnabhumi International
Arrival: 15:10 Singapore, Singapore - Changi
Airline: Cathay Pacific CX713 E
Boeing 777-300
Cabin Class: Business
Singapore to Sydney
Wednesday, June 05, 2013
Departure: 20:00 Singapore, Singapore - Changi
Arrival: 05:40 +1 day(s) Sydney, Australia - Kingsford Smith
Airline: Qantas Airways QF6 E
Boeing 747-400
Cabin Class: Business
Sydney to Auckland
Friday, June 14, 2013
Departure: 09:30 Sydney, Australia - Kingsford Smith
Arrival: 14:45 Auckland, New Zealand - Auckland
Airline: Qantas Airways QF321 E
Airbus Industrie A340-300
Operated by LAN Airlines
Cabin Class: Business
Auckland to Santiago
Saturday, June 22, 2013
Departure: 16:15 Auckland, New Zealand - Auckland
Arrival: 11:35 Santiago, Chile - Arturo Merino Benitez
Airline: LAN Airlines LA800 E
Airbus Industrie A340-300
Cabin Class: Business
Santiago to Easter Island
Friday, June 28, 2013
Departure: 08:15 Santiago, Chile - Arturo Merino Benitez
Arrival: 12:10 Easter Island, Chile - Mataveri International
Airline: LAN Airlines LA841 E
Boeing 767-300/300ER
Cabin Class: Business
Easter Island to Lima
Tuesday, July 02, 2013
Departure: 10:55 Easter Island, Chile - Mataveri International
Arrival: 17:40 Santiago, Chile - Arturo Merino Benitez
Airline: LAN Airlines LA836 E
Boeing 767-300/300ER
Cabin Class: Business
Change of plane required. Time between flights : 2:25.
Tuesday, July 02, 2013
Departure: 20:05 Santiago, Chile - Arturo Merino Benitez
Arrival: 23:05 Lima, Peru - J Chavez International
Airline: LAN Airlines LA2634 E
Airbus Industrie A320-100/200
Operated by Lanperu
Cabin Class: Premium Economy
Lima to Buenos Aires
Thursday, July 11, 2013
Departure: 23:50 Lima, Peru - J Chavez International
Arrival: 06:15 +1 day(s) Buenos Aires, Argentina - Pistarini
Airline: LAN Airlines LA2724 E
787
Operated by Lanperu
Cabin Class: Business
Buenos Aires to Alicante
Thursday, July 25, 2013
Departure: 12:50 Buenos Aires, Argentina - Pistarini
Arrival: 05:45 +1 day(s) Madrid, Spain - Barajas
Airline: Iberia IB6842 E
Airbus Industrie A340-600
Cabin Class: Business
Change of plane required. Time between flights : 4:15.
Friday, July 26, 2013
Departure: 10:00 Madrid, Spain - Barajas
Arrival: 11:00 Alicante, Spain - Alicante Airport
Airline: Iberia IB364 E
Airbus Industrie A319
Cabin Class: Business
Dec 15, 2012 | 1:04 am
#464
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: cbr
Programs: QF WP (OWE) / LTG (LT OWS) | Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 4,971
Have DONE5 fares ex-JNB spiked up in cost?
Tried to price one via the online tool and it adds up to 128,xxx ZAR (about 14k AUD), up from $80,xxx ZAR that it previously used to be!
Tried to price one via the online tool and it adds up to 128,xxx ZAR (about 14k AUD), up from $80,xxx ZAR that it previously used to be!
Dec 15, 2012 | 7:06 pm
#465
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: used to be PER, now it's nowhere/eveywhere
Programs: QFF NB, AA GLD
Posts: 3,685
In KVS, the DONE5 base price shows as ZAR55,200 which I'm pretty sure is unchanged (the DONE4 is certainly unchanged - at ZAR48,000)