JMB or Asia Miles?
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JMB or Asia Miles?
I'm about to book a PE Return flight from Zurich to Osaka with Cathay (Booking Class E), I travel long haul (mostly to Japan) once or twice a year and to Australia every couple of years as well as 3-4 flights within Europe.
I'm aware that with my flying profile, I won't get status and gating enough miles will take a while to say the least, I book the best flight without looking at miles/points but I might as well book somewhere and make the best choice.
I previously had 41,000 Asia Miles, wiped out by Covid so now 0, JMB also 0, Avios 2250 so no Oneworld points total really.
I only have 31,000 Miles and More which I can't credit the Osaka trip to, so I'm wondering which Oneworld system to credit to.
In one way, Cathay makes sense with so many routes but as Japan is my preferred country to visit in Asia maybe I should use JMB.
Help!
I'm aware that with my flying profile, I won't get status and gating enough miles will take a while to say the least, I book the best flight without looking at miles/points but I might as well book somewhere and make the best choice.
I previously had 41,000 Asia Miles, wiped out by Covid so now 0, JMB also 0, Avios 2250 so no Oneworld points total really.
I only have 31,000 Miles and More which I can't credit the Osaka trip to, so I'm wondering which Oneworld system to credit to.
In one way, Cathay makes sense with so many routes but as Japan is my preferred country to visit in Asia maybe I should use JMB.
Help!
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I'm about to book a PE Return flight from Zurich to Osaka with Cathay (Booking Class E), I travel long haul (mostly to Japan) once or twice a year and to Australia every couple of years as well as 3-4 flights within Europe.
I'm aware that with my flying profile, I won't get status and gating enough miles will take a while to say the least, I book the best flight without looking at miles/points but I might as well book somewhere and make the best choice.
I previously had 41,000 Asia Miles, wiped out by Covid so now 0, JMB also 0, Avios 2250 so no Oneworld points total really.
I only have 31,000 Miles and More which I can't credit the Osaka trip to, so I'm wondering which Oneworld system to credit to.
In one way, Cathay makes sense with so many routes but as Japan is my preferred country to visit in Asia maybe I should use JMB.
Help!
I'm aware that with my flying profile, I won't get status and gating enough miles will take a while to say the least, I book the best flight without looking at miles/points but I might as well book somewhere and make the best choice.
I previously had 41,000 Asia Miles, wiped out by Covid so now 0, JMB also 0, Avios 2250 so no Oneworld points total really.
I only have 31,000 Miles and More which I can't credit the Osaka trip to, so I'm wondering which Oneworld system to credit to.
In one way, Cathay makes sense with so many routes but as Japan is my preferred country to visit in Asia maybe I should use JMB.
Help!
Small balances in several ffp's can be useless if they will expire and/or cannot get enough to use.
FT link-->Miles/Points that Do and Don't Expire
Lists JMB as hard expiry (use them or lose them), but have not checked.
Avios is used by QR Qatar, BA, IB, IE and now AY (since 9 March 2024?). Subject to the rules avios, but not status, can be moved at nil cost between some (all?) these airline ffp's.
I would build up the avios. BA Avio awards, being distance based, can be good redemptions.
From link above CX E credit at 100% to BA but 110% to QR.
In Australia Virgin Australia VA is a partner of QR Qatar, so can earn/burn QR avios (subject to the fine print). And QF Qantas is a partner of BA.
The airline you fly and the ffp you credit to(burn) does not need to be the same.
Last edited by Mwenenzi; Apr 17, 2024 at 5:40 pm
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I'm about to book a PE Return flight from Zurich to Osaka with Cathay (Booking Class E), I travel long haul (mostly to Japan) once or twice a year and to Australia every couple of years as well as 3-4 flights within Europe.
I'm aware that with my flying profile, I won't get status and gating enough miles will take a while to say the least, I book the best flight without looking at miles/points but I might as well book somewhere and make the best choice.
I previously had 41,000 Asia Miles, wiped out by Covid so now 0, JMB also 0, Avios 2250 so no Oneworld points total really.
I only have 31,000 Miles and More which I can't credit the Osaka trip to, so I'm wondering which Oneworld system to credit to.
In one way, Cathay makes sense with so many routes but as Japan is my preferred country to visit in Asia maybe I should use JMB.
Help!
I'm aware that with my flying profile, I won't get status and gating enough miles will take a while to say the least, I book the best flight without looking at miles/points but I might as well book somewhere and make the best choice.
I previously had 41,000 Asia Miles, wiped out by Covid so now 0, JMB also 0, Avios 2250 so no Oneworld points total really.
I only have 31,000 Miles and More which I can't credit the Osaka trip to, so I'm wondering which Oneworld system to credit to.
In one way, Cathay makes sense with so many routes but as Japan is my preferred country to visit in Asia maybe I should use JMB.
Help!
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I'm about to book a PE Return flight from Zurich to Osaka with Cathay (Booking Class E), I travel long haul (mostly to Japan) once or twice a year and to Australia every couple of years as well as 3-4 flights within Europe.
I'm aware that with my flying profile, I won't get status and gating enough miles will take a while to say the least, I book the best flight without looking at miles/points but I might as well book somewhere and make the best choice.
I previously had 41,000 Asia Miles, wiped out by Covid so now 0, JMB also 0, Avios 2250 so no Oneworld points total really.
I only have 31,000 Miles and More which I can't credit the Osaka trip to, so I'm wondering which Oneworld system to credit to.
In one way, Cathay makes sense with so many routes but as Japan is my preferred country to visit in Asia maybe I should use JMB.
Help!
I'm aware that with my flying profile, I won't get status and gating enough miles will take a while to say the least, I book the best flight without looking at miles/points but I might as well book somewhere and make the best choice.
I previously had 41,000 Asia Miles, wiped out by Covid so now 0, JMB also 0, Avios 2250 so no Oneworld points total really.
I only have 31,000 Miles and More which I can't credit the Osaka trip to, so I'm wondering which Oneworld system to credit to.
In one way, Cathay makes sense with so many routes but as Japan is my preferred country to visit in Asia maybe I should use JMB.
Help!
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If you were to credit ZRH-HKG-KIX-HKG-ZRH in Premium Economy to Iberia Plus, you would have oneworld Ruby (low-tier) elite status once you return to Zurich; don't know how valuable that would be for you. But you would be slightly more than half way to oneworld Sapphire (mid-tier) status.
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So you've already learned your lesson from a mileage expiration, I would say neither program makes sense. It's all oneworld alliance, so there's no need to use the program of the carrier you're flying or the place you're flying to. For someone that doesn't fly all that much, you need a program that has non-expiring miles, or at least non-expiring with activity some activity in a certain amount of time. I'd be looking at AA, AS, BA, or QR and see how they work with your travel pattern and ticket types. If you're traveling to Japan a lot then AA, AS, and BA all have good deals on domestic tickets which can otherwise be expensive for the distance flown, but frequently have wide open award availability.
BTW I have a tiny amount of BA Avios (2,250, 0 Tier Points 90 Lifetime Tier Points) that expire in 2 months, I have no travel plans before then.
Is there any simple way of keeping them with some small effort? I know it's not much but better not to waste them if possible.
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Thanks a lot.
BTW I have a tiny amount of BA Avios (2,250, 0 Tier Points 90 Lifetime Tier Points) that expire in 2 months, I have no travel plans before then.
Is there any simple way of keeping them with some small effort? I know it's not much but better not to waste them if possible.
BTW I have a tiny amount of BA Avios (2,250, 0 Tier Points 90 Lifetime Tier Points) that expire in 2 months, I have no travel plans before then.
Is there any simple way of keeping them with some small effort? I know it's not much but better not to waste them if possible.
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Miles/Points that Do and Don't ExpireAre other linked BA threads in the do and don't expire master thread wiki.
What a mess!
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Thanks a lot.
BTW I have a tiny amount of BA Avios (2,250, 0 Tier Points 90 Lifetime Tier Points) that expire in 2 months, I have no travel plans before then.
Is there any simple way of keeping them with some small effort? I know it's not much but better not to waste them if possible.
BTW I have a tiny amount of BA Avios (2,250, 0 Tier Points 90 Lifetime Tier Points) that expire in 2 months, I have no travel plans before then.
Is there any simple way of keeping them with some small effort? I know it's not much but better not to waste them if possible.
There might be some other shops on there that are useful to you as well. I've not really explored it since I normally use AA eShopping for that. iHerb is probably on there and tends to be pretty useful for a lot of different things. Avios shopping is pretty lucrative for hotels, they generally give a much higher multiplier for Marriott than AA and they have Hilton which AA doesn't, but those won't credit until well after your stay. You'll need to generate some activity quickly which shopping is the quickest and easiest if you're not travelling in my opinion.
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Go to Avios shopping and buy something from AliExpress that's very cheap with free shipping. Having said that, AliExpress doesn't always track so if you don't get a notice from Avios in a day or two that you're Avios are on the way then it didn't work and you'll have to try again.
There might be some other shops on there that are useful to you as well. I've not really explored it since I normally use AA eShopping for that. iHerb is probably on there and tends to be pretty useful for a lot of different things. Avios shopping is pretty lucrative for hotels, they generally give a much higher multiplier for Marriott than AA and they have Hilton which AA doesn't, but those won't credit until well after your stay. You'll need to generate some activity quickly which shopping is the quickest and easiest if you're not travelling in my opinion.
There might be some other shops on there that are useful to you as well. I've not really explored it since I normally use AA eShopping for that. iHerb is probably on there and tends to be pretty useful for a lot of different things. Avios shopping is pretty lucrative for hotels, they generally give a much higher multiplier for Marriott than AA and they have Hilton which AA doesn't, but those won't credit until well after your stay. You'll need to generate some activity quickly which shopping is the quickest and easiest if you're not travelling in my opinion.
What a cheap and nasty site AliExpress is though
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My experience with AliExpress is they credit in a day or two as long as you get that email. I've just a had a couple of times where it didn't track for some reason and never got the email.
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If you were to credit ZRH-HKG-KIX-HKG-ZRH in Premium Economy to Iberia Plus, you would have oneworld Ruby (low-tier) elite status once you return to Zurich; don't know how valuable that would be for you. But you would be slightly more than half way to oneworld Sapphire (mid-tier) status.
I read that Ruby is equivalent to IberiaPlus Silver which requires 1100 Elite Points (2250 for Gold or Oneworld Sapphire)
How do you calculate Elite Points? Looks to my uninformed eyes like 425 +90 + 425 + 90 = 1030 which is slightly short.
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Could you help with the calculation please?
I read that Ruby is equivalent to IberiaPlus Silver which requires 1100 Elite Points (2250 for Gold or Oneworld Sapphire)
How do you calculate Elite Points? Looks to my uninformed eyes like 425 +90 + 425 + 90 = 1030 which is slightly short.
I read that Ruby is equivalent to IberiaPlus Silver which requires 1100 Elite Points (2250 for Gold or Oneworld Sapphire)
How do you calculate Elite Points? Looks to my uninformed eyes like 425 +90 + 425 + 90 = 1030 which is slightly short.

