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pandaperth Aug 23, 2023 1:55 pm

I don’t think I explained myself well in my earlier post.
Your complete itinerary must satisfy all the rules, or it cannot be ticketed.

Rule 4(e) concerns allowed intercontinental arrivals and departures.

The continents in your itinerary are:
Europe/Middle East –intercontinental arrivals and departures are compliant – see note 1 below
Africa – intercontinental arrivals and departures non-compliant – see note 2
South West Pacific – compliant
North America – compliant
So, Africa is non-compliant and therefore your itinerary is invalid.

Note 1
For Europe/Middle East, your intercontinental arrivals and departures are:
Departure: DOH-EBB
Arrival: EBB-DOH
Departure: DOH-JNB
Arrival: LAX-LHR
Your itinerary is compliant with 4(e) Exception 3
PS: Europe/Middle East is one continent not two

Note 2
For Africa, your intercontinental arrivals and departures are:
Arrival: DOH-EBB
Departure: EBB-DOH
Arrival: DOH-JNB
Departure: JNB-SYD
Rule 4(e) allows only one arrival and one departure for Africa.
Your itinerary has two of each and is therefore invalid.

FWIW, I too am surprised that BA considered it a valid itinerary.

ademanuele Aug 23, 2023 4:03 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 35522108)
I don’t think I explained myself well in my earlier post.
Your complete itinerary must satisfy all the rules, or it cannot be ticketed.

Rule 4(e) concerns allowed intercontinental arrivals and departures.

The continents in your itinerary are:
Europe/Middle East –intercontinental arrivals and departures are compliant – see note 1 below
Africa – intercontinental arrivals and departures non-compliant – see note 2
South West Pacific – compliant
North America – compliant
So, Africa is non-compliant and therefore your itinerary is invalid.

Note 1
For Europe/Middle East, your intercontinental arrivals and departures are:
Departure: DOH-EBB
Arrival: EBB-DOH
Departure: DOH-JNB
Arrival: LAX-LHR
Your itinerary is compliant with 4(e) Exception 3
PS: Europe/Middle East is one continent not two

Note 2
For Africa, your intercontinental arrivals and departures are:
Arrival: DOH-EBB
Departure: EBB-DOH
Arrival: DOH-JNB
Departure: JNB-SYD
Rule 4(e) allows only one arrival and one departure for Africa.
Your itinerary has two of each and is therefore invalid.

FWIW, I too am surprised that BA considered it a valid itinerary.

Thanks pandaperth . So my options are:

1) DOH-EBB-DOH-SYD, but this would add another continent (Asia), or
2) DOH-EBB-JNB-SYD with a surface sector between EBB and JNB (we are going to KGL from EBB so would be a separate flight with RwandAir from KGL to JNB). Anyone flown RwandAir??

Is there a significant cost difference between DONE4 and DONE5? We were only planning a short stop in JNB and included to avoid adding an additional continent to the fare (to get to Sydney). The business class fare from KGL to JNB is ~£470pp so what we do will depend on fare difference between DONE4 and DONE5.

As Europe/Middle East are considered one continent I assume segments 14 to 16 are within the rules.

ps. When I called BA they put dummy flights in and got the itinerary to work, I am equally puzzled 😕

pandaperth Aug 23, 2023 10:52 pm

I flew Rwandair back in 2019, just the short hop KGL-MBA (Mombasa) and down the back of the bus. It was fine.

ex-Norway, the increase in base fare going from a DONE4 to a DONE5 is NOK8,226 (~GBP600).

Your segments 14 to 16 are OK.

With regards to BA, I feel sure that had the agent sent the itinerary to the BA fares team for pricing it would have been knocked back as invalid.

ademanuele Aug 24, 2023 7:28 am

I rejigged the trip slightly (now a DONE5) to include Singapore and a stopover in Hawaii on the way to North America. Am using Alaskan Airlines a few times, which I would have preferred to avoid as they do not have flat bed seats, but I could not figure out a better way to get to SJO and maximise TPs. As a newbie to RTW it seems that you are fairly restricted in what you can do in Africa and South America but I am very pleased with the trip that we have managed to put together. I will be working with my TA in March/April to complete the booking. Thanks again to everyone who has helped me put this together :tu:
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ernestnywang Aug 24, 2023 1:07 pm


Originally Posted by ademanuele (Post 35524051)
As a newbie to RTW it seems that you are fairly restricted in what you can do in Africa and South America but I am very pleased with the trip that we have managed to put together.

This is not a newbie problem. We are saddened that Comair (South Africa) and LATAM went bankrupt and left oneworld, respectively.

ademanuele Aug 24, 2023 2:22 pm


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 35525128)
This is not a newbie problem. We are saddened that Comair (South Africa) and LATAM went bankrupt and left oneworld, respectively.

Out of curiosity, how often are the rules updated? Given that Comair and LATAM (both of which I have used) are no longer oneworld is it likely that the rules will be modified to widen access to these continents (perhaps more relaxed code sharing rules)?

jerry a. laska Aug 24, 2023 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by ademanuele (Post 35525297)
Out of curiosity, how often are the rules updated? Given that Comair and LATAM (both of which I have used) are no longer oneworld is it likely that the rules will be modified to widen access to these continents (perhaps more relaxed code sharing rules)?

Rules are modified fairly regularly; see the sticky thread regarding rule updates. But based upon experience, unless some new airlines join Oneworld in some capacity the Oneworld Explorer will not be expanded. Africa has always had very limited intra-continental routes.


The Global Explorer does provide some access to other airlines.

bundubasher Aug 28, 2023 9:03 am

If someone wants to go to PPT, can you for example, fly on a non oneworld airline to PPT from HNL, then "hitch a ride' with a cruise line(or sailboat) to SYD, continuing onwards with your RTW trip? Would this cost a segment only in their trip?

pandaperth Aug 28, 2023 9:11 am


Originally Posted by bundubasher (Post 35535122)
If someone wants to go to PPT, can you for example, fly on a non oneworld airline to PPT from HNL, then "hitch a ride' with a cruise line(or sailboat) to SYD, continuing onwards with your RTW trip? Would this cost a segment only in their trip?

There's a rule that covers this:
4(g) Intermediate surface sectors are permitted at the passenger’s expense. Transoceanic surface sectors between TC1-TC2 and TC1-TC3 are not permitted. EXCEPTION: For travel originating in the South West Pacific, one transoceanic surface sector between TC1-TC2 or TC1-TC3 is permitted.
The surface sector between HNL and SYD is between TC1 and TC3 and would only be allowed if the itinerary had started in the South West Pacific

TQ2 Apr 30, 2024 10:01 am

I have just stumbled across this thread when looking for Avios options to go to the South Pacific. I now have a feeling that I'm going to get addicted to RTW options especially with the suggestion of using Avios for a positioning flight and doing multiple trips in the year. Thanks in advance for all of the feedback and suggestions


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