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steveholt Aug 2, 2023 10:24 am
Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 35464816)
I think your trip follows the rules but I'd be less than candid if I said it will be easy to book. Some aspects, in particular the DOH-EBB-DOH-JNB shuttle, are likely IMO to give any booking agent fits as it will push their understanding of the rules about two connections through the Middle East:



This requires understanding that section 3 distinguishes the Middle East as a subdivision of the Europe/Middle East "continent," and that your route is legal as long as you don't return to Europe (the other subdivision of Europe/Middle East) between African destinations, one of which is Joburg. In other words, a routing of LHR-DOH-EBB-LHR-JNB-SYD would be against the rules while LHR-DOH-EBB-DOH-JNB would comply, if you get my meaning.

I'd definitely look at switching either or both SYD-LAX and LAX-LHR to AA metal so that you'd make it easier for the AA RTW desk to issue the ticket. If QR can't or won't issue the ticket, the next logical issuer with the current plan would be either QF or BA, both of which will expose you to big surcharges and user fees that MIGHT be avoided in whole or in part if AA issues the ticket. AA apparently prefers to have at least one transoceanic segment on their own metal in order to justify the work of issuing an RTW ticket.

For these reasons, and given you have quite a long time before you need to buy something, I'd spend some effort in locating a travel agent who can book these tickets, one with whom you can develop a relationship in the meantime so that when the time comes, you won't be at the mercy of some know-nothing airline rep or some robot who will hijack all your plans. You need someone with access to, and a working knowledge of, the GDS ticketing systems. These people exist, but you'll have to do some digging.
SYD-LAX on AA is also about $1200 US cheaper than SYD-LAX on QF. I think QF is better on this route, but not so much to justify that sort of increase in price.

Alwillfly Aug 4, 2023 8:51 am
Just wanted to add that I am thinking of something similar to this probably late 2024 early 2025.

Reading this thread has been extremely inspiring and I would like to thank the contributors for their unstinting efforts and incredible knowledge.

Awe inspiring, give yourselves a pat on the back guys.

ademanuele Aug 6, 2023 5:09 am
Originally Posted by Alwillfly (Post 35470114)
Just wanted to add that I am thinking of something similar to this probably late 2024 early 2025.

Reading this thread has been extremely inspiring and I would like to thank the contributors for their unstinting efforts and incredible knowledge.

Awe inspiring, give yourselves a pat on the back guys.
Indeed, thanks for all the responses, will be an amazing trip. I will contact Trailfinders to make sure that they are happy ticketing this when the time comes. As suggested I will use AA for SYD-LAX.

I would like to be able to use the Oneworld Explorer on-line booking tool but could not figure out how to enter surface sectors?

GCMapper
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...9d336c8edd.jpg

ernestnywang Aug 6, 2023 2:28 pm
Originally Posted by ademanuele (Post 35474677)
Indeed, thanks for all the responses, will be an amazing trip. I will contact Trailfinders to make sure that they are happy ticketing this when the time comes. As suggested I will use AA for SYD-LAX.

I would like to be able to use the Oneworld Explorer on-line booking tool but could not figure out how to enter surface sectors?

GCMapper
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...9d336c8edd.jpg
In order for Sabre autoprice to work, I had to remove some DOHs. The EBB-xDOH-JNB was replaced by EBB//JNB. The CAI-xDOH-OSL part was replaced by CAI-xLHR-OSL on BA. The Sabre autoprice result is then

Code:
WQOSL/AQR15AUG/CD/XDOH/AQR/CDEBB/-JNB/AQF/CDSYD/AQF/CDPER/-SYD/AQF/CDAKL/AQF/CD/XSYD/AAA/CDLAX/AAS/CDSJO/AAS/CD/XLAX/ABA/CDLHR/ABA/CDCAI/ABA/CD/XLHR/ABA/CDOSL-RW/SDFW/TDFW/VAA«

    PSGR TYPE  ADT
      FARE BASIS BOOK CODE          FARE TAX/FEES/CHGS  TOTAL
    01 DONE4      D/D/D/D/* USD    5644.00  2516.80    8160.80 ADT
    02 DONE5      D/D/D/D/* USD    6445.00  2516.80    8961.80 ADT
    03 DONE6      D/D/D/D/* USD    7271.00  2616.80    9887.80 ADT
    *01-03*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY
    *01-03*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED
    *01-03*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED
    *01-03*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY
    ATTN*SEE OTHER FARES - USE XM QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-XM
    ATTN*SEE ALL FARES - USE AL QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-AL
    ** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **
    ** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE
      CONFIRMED **
    .

WQ1«

    1 QROPEND 15AUG 2 OSLDOH DS1   
    2 QROPEND        DOHEBB DS1 
    3  ARNK
    4 QFOPEND        JNBSYD DS1 
    5 QFOPEND        SYDPER DS1 
    6  ARNK
    7 QFOPEND        SYDAKL DS1 
    8 QFOPEND        AKLSYD DS1 
    9 AAOPEND        SYDLAX DS1 
    10 ASOPEND        LAXSJO DS1 
    11 ASOPEND        SJOLAX DS1 
    12 BAOPEND        LAXLHR DS1 
    13 BAOPEND        LHRCAI DS1 
    14 BAOPEND        CAILHR DS1 
    15 BAOPEND        LHROSL DS1 
    PSGR TYPE  ADT - 01
        CXR RES DATE  FARE BASIS      NVB  NVA    BG
    OSL
    XDOH QR  D  15AUG DONE4          15AUG 15AUG 02P
    EBB QR  D  OPEN  DONE4          16AUG 16AUG 02P
    JNB    S U R F A C E
    SYD QF  D  OPEN  DONE4          18AUG 18AUG 02P            ¥

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    PER QF  D  OPEN  DONE4          19AUG 19AUG 01P            ¥
    SYD    S U R F A C E
    AKL QF  D  OPEN  DONE4          20AUG 20AUG 02P
    XSYD QF  D  OPEN  DONE4          21AUG 21AUG 02P
    LAX AA  D  OPEN  DONE4          22AUG 22AUG 02P
    SJO AS  D  OPEN  DONE4          23AUG 23AUG 02P
    XLAX AS  D  OPEN  DONE4          24AUG 24AUG 02P
    LON BA  D  OPEN  DONE4          25AUG 25AUG 02P
    CAI BA  D  OPEN  DONE4          26AUG 26AUG 02P
    XLON BA  D  OPEN  DONE4          27AUG 27AUG 02P
    OSL BA  D  OPEN  DONE4          28AUG 28AUG 02P
    FARE  NOK    57959 EQUIV USD  5644.00
    TAX  USD    31.20G2 USD    11.40ZN USD  2474.20XT
    TOTAL USD  8160.80
    ADT-01  DONE4
    OSL QR X/DOH QR EBB//JNB QF SYD QF PER//SYD QF AKL QF X/SYD AA
    LAX AS SJO AS X/LAX BA LON BA CAI BA X/LON BA OSL5424.67NUC
    5424.67END ROE10.684327
    XT USD16.50QA USD0.50PZ USD16.50G4 USD14.30ZA USD10.20WC
    XT USD1.60EV USD1.70UM USD39.20AU USD7.90QR USD1.20WG
    XT USD41.00WY USD26.60F1 USD10.30IA USD42.20US USD13.04YC
    XT USD14.00XY USD7.66XA USD11.20AY USD10.76FS USD3.10IK
    XT USD15.00NW USD93.30UB USD25.00QH USD3.20JK USD2.00EQ        ¥

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    XT USD82.00YR USD1946.00YQ USD1.06P5 USD1.00O9 USD3.98S4      ¥
    XT USD2.70R9 USD0.50O2 USD9.00XFLAX4.5LAX4.5
    ENDOS*SEG0/1/2/4/5/7/8/9/10/11/12/13/14/15*VALID ON ONEWORLD
    ENDOS*ONLY/NONREF
    TKT/TL08AUG23/2359
    RATE USED 1NOK-0.09737948USD
    ATTN*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY SEG 1-15
    ATTN*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED SEG 1-15
    ATTN*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED SEG 1
    ATTN*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY SEG 1-15
    ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER SPECIFIED - AA
    ** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **
    ** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE
      CONFIRMED **
    .
WQ¥DF1«

    WQ¥DF1
    PSGR TYPE ADT
    FARE  NOK    57959 EQUIV USD  5644.00
    TAX  USD    31.20G2 USD    11.40ZN USD  2474.20XT
    TOTAL USD  8160.80
    OSL QR X/DOH QR EBB//JNB QF SYD QF PER//SYD QF AKL QF X/SYD AA L
    AX AS SJO AS X/LAX BA LON BA CAI BA X/LON BA OSL5424.67NUC5424.6
    7END ROE10.684327
    XT USD16.50QA USD0.50PZ USD16.50G4 USD14.30ZA USD10.20WC
    XT USD1.60EV USD1.70UM USD39.20AU USD7.90QR USD1.20WG
    XT USD41.00WY USD26.60F1 USD10.30IA USD42.20US USD13.04YC
    XT USD14.00XY USD7.66XA USD11.20AY USD10.76FS USD3.10IK
    XT USD15.00NW USD93.30UB USD25.00QH USD3.20JK USD2.00EQ
    XT USD82.00YR USD1946.00YQ USD1.06P5 USD1.00O9 USD3.98S4
    XT USD2.70R9 USD0.50O2 USD9.00XFLAX4.5LAX4.5
    RATE USED 1NOK-0.09737948USD
    /////////////// TRAFFIC DOCUMENT ISSUED IN DFW ///////////////
    PU -FARE BASIS-CUR  NUC AMT ELEMENT DESCRIPTION ----------- GI
    01 DONE4      NOK  5424.67 OSL-OSL QF /RT RTG              RW
                        5424.67    -    TOTAL NUC
    -TAX AMT/USD/-- CUR  CODES  DESCRIPTION-----TAX TYPE/SEQUENCE--
        1672.50        /YQF SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED FUEL
            420.00:USD  420.00 *OSL* *QR*                  888
            1252.50:EUR  1145.00 *JNB* *QF*              2994925
          82.00        /YRI SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED MISC    ¥

MD«

              16.00:USD    16.00 *OSL* *QR*                40012  ¥
              16.00:USD    16.00 *OSL* *QR*                40012
              12.50:USD    12.50 *JNB* *QF*              3595000
              12.50:USD    12.50 *JNB* *QF*              3595000
              12.50:USD    12.50 *SYD* *QF*              3595000
              12.50:USD    12.50 *AKL* *QF*              3595000
          273.50        /YQI SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED MISC
            273.50:EUR  250.00 *LAX* *BA*              2188840
          39.20        AU/AU  PASSENGER MOVEMENT CHARGE  PMC
              39.20:AUD    60.00 *SYD* *QF*          001    21250
            4.80        AU/QR  PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE DOMESTIC DE
              4.80:AUD    7.41 *SYD* *QF*          001  513750
            3.10        AU/QR2 PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE DOMESTIC AR
              3.10:AUD    4.72 *SYD* *QF*          002  1959843
            1.20        AU/WG  SAFETY AND SECURITY CHARGE  DEPARTUR
              1.20:AUD    1.81 *SYD* *QF*          001  608437
          20.50        AU/WY  PASSENGER SERVICES CHARGE DEPARTURE
              20.50:AUD    31.28 *SYD* *QF*          001  287500
          20.50        AU/WY2 PASSENGER SERVICES CHARGE ARRIVAL IN
              20.50:AUD    31.28 *JNB* *QF*          002  289375
          10.76        CR/FS  COMMON AREA USER CHARGE  DEPARTURE
              10.76:USD    10.76 *SJO* *AS*          001    20000
            1.55        CR/IK  SECURITY FEE  INTERNATIONAL DEPARTIN¥

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              1.55:USD    1.55 *SJO* *AS*          001    10000  ¥
            1.55        CR/IK2 SECURITY FEE INTERNATIONAL ARRIVING
              1.55:USD    1.55 *LAX* *AS*          002  105000
          15.00        CR/NW  TOURISM ARRIVAL TAX
              15.00:USD    15.00 *LAX* *AS*          001  115000
            0.53        CR/P5  SUPPLEMENTAL SECURITY FEE  DEPARTURE
              0.53:USD    0.53 *SJO* *AS*          001  105000
            0.53        CR/P52 SUPPLEMENTAL SECURITY FEE  ARRIVALS
              0.53:USD    0.53 *LAX* *AS*          002  105000
            2.00        EG/EQ  SERVICE CHARGE
              2.00:USD    2.00 *CAI* *BA*          001    20000
            3.20        EG/JK  DEPARTURE FEE
              3.20:EGP  100.00 *CAI* *BA*          001    7500
            0.50        EG/O2  DEPARTURE SERVICE FEE
              0.50:EGP    15.00 *CAI* *BA*          001  100000
            1.00        EG/O9  CUTE CUPPS FEE
              1.00:USD    1.00 *CAI* *BA*          001  105000
          25.00        EG/QH  EMBARKATION TAX
              25.00:USD    25.00 *CAI* *BA*          001    40000
            1.99        EG/S4  INTERNATIONAL ADVANCED PASSENGER INF
              1.99:USD    1.99 *CAI* *BA*          001  105000
            1.99        EG/S42 INTERNATIONAL ADVANCED PASSENGER INF
              1.99:USD    1.99 *LHR* *BA*          002  105000  ¥

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          93.30        GB/UB  PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE DEPARTURES ¥
              70.90:GBP    55.81 *LHR* *BA*          001  4724938
              22.40:GBP    17.66 *LHR* *BA*          001  4704938
          31.20        NO/G2  AIR PASSENGER TAX
              31.20:NOK      320 *OSL* *QR*          001  160000
          11.40        NO/ZN  PASSENGER CHARGE
              11.40:NOK      117 *OSL* *QR*          001  112500
            3.20        NZ/F1  BORDER CLEARANCE LEVY INTERNATIONAL
              3.20:NZD    5.20 *AKL* *QF*          001  113750
          23.40        NZ/F12 BORDER CLEARANCE LEVY INTERNATIONAL
              23.40:NZD    38.54 *SYD* *QF*          002  114375
          10.30        NZ/IA  PASSENGER SECURITY CHARGE  INTERNATI
              10.30:NZD    16.93 *AKL* *QF*          001    55000
          16.50        QA/G4  PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE PFC
              16.50:QAR    60.00 *DOH* *QR*          001  105000
            0.50        QA/PZ2 PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE ARRIVALS
              0.50:USD    0.50 *OSL* *QR*          002  110000
          16.50        QA/QA  AIRPORT FEE INTERNATIONAL
              16.50:QAR    60.00 *DOH* *QR*          001    25000
            2.70        QA/R9  PASSENGER SAFETY AND SECURITY FEE PS
              2.70:QAR    10.00 *DOH* *QR*          001  110000
          11.20        US/AY  PASSENGER CIVIL AVIATION SECURITY SE
              5.60:USD    5.60 *LAX*              001  828212  ¥

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              5.60:USD    5.60 *LAX*              001  818212  ¥
          42.20        US/US2 TRANSPORTATION TAX INTERNATIONAL DEP
              21.10:USD    21.10 *LAX* *AS*          014  187890
              21.10:USD    21.10 *AKL* *QF*          015  137890
            7.66        US/XA  APHIS PASSENGER FEE PASSENGERS
              3.83:USD    3.83 *SJO* *AS*          001  112500
              3.83:USD    3.83 *SYD* *AA*          001  112500
          14.00        US/XY2 IMMIGRATION USER FEE
              7.00:USD    7.00 *SJO* *AS*          002  130000
              7.00:USD    7.00 *SYD* *AA*          002  130000
          13.04        US/YC  CUSTOMS USER FEE
              6.52:USD    6.52 *SJO* *AS*          001  125000
              6.52:USD    6.52 *SYD* *AA*          001  125000
            1.60        ZA/EV  PASSENGER SAFETY CHARGE
              1.60:ZAR    29.33 *JNB* *QF*          001  149375
            1.70        ZA/UM  ASC CHARGE
              1.70:ZAR    31.05 *JNB* *QF*          001  109921
          10.20        ZA/WC  AIR PASSENGER TAX
              10.20:ZAR  190.00 *JNB* *QF*          001  145000
          14.30        ZA/ZA  PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE
              14.30:ZAR  266.05 *JNB* *QF*          001  394509
            9.00        US/XF  PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE
              4.50:USD    4.50 *LAX*                            ¥

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              4.50:USD    4.50 *LAX*                            ¥
    -IATA RATES OF EXCHANGE USED IN FARE CALCULATION --------------
      10.6843270  NOK-ROE  EFF 01AUG23*INDEF
    -BSR USED IN FARE CALCULATION ---------------------------------
    1NOK:0.09737948USD               
    -BSR USED IN TAX CALCULATION ----------------------------------
    1EUR:1.09389258USD                1AUD:0.65406532USD
    1EGP:0.03241491USD                1GBP:1.26986032USD
    1NOK:0.09737948USD                1NZD:0.6077553USD
    1QAR:0.27461211USD                1ZAR:0.05375151USD
    -PRICING UNIT TRIP TYPE ---------------------------------------
      PU 01 - SPECIAL RW SINGLE FARE COMPONENT
    .
It would then appear that QF charges 1145EUR of YQ plus 12.5EUR*4 of YR, followed by 420USD of YQ plus 16USD*2 of YR (would likely by 16USD*6 if all the dropped QR segments are added back). There is a 250EUR YQ from BA, but I am not sure if the amount will be the same if CAI-OSL is on QR instead.

If you can get AA to issue LAX-LHR either on AA, AS, or IB code, the BA YQ charge will be significantly lowered. The new amount being 26.5~28EUR per segment (and if using your original itinerary, you just have 1, so 28EUR).
Code:
WQOSL/AQR15AUG/CD/XDOH/AQR/CDEBB/-JNB/AQF/CDSYD/AQF/CDPER/-SYD/AQF/CDAKL/AQF/CD/XSYD/AAA/CDLAX/AAS/CDSJO/AAS/CD/XLAX/AAA/CDLHR/ABA/CDCAI/ABA/CD/XLHR/ABA/CDOSL-RW/SDFW/TDFW/VAA
PSGR TYPE  ADT
  FARE BASIS BOOK CODE          FARE TAX/FEES/CHGS  TOTAL
01 DONE4      D/D/D/D/* USD    5644.00  2333.50    7977.50 ADT
02 DONE5      D/D/D/D/* USD    6445.00  2333.50    8778.50 ADT
03 DONE6      D/D/D/D/* USD    7271.00  2433.50    9704.50 ADT
*01-03*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY
*01-03*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED
*01-03*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED
*01-03*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY
ATTN*SEE OTHER FARES - USE XM QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-XM
ATTN*SEE ALL FARES - USE AL QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-AL
 
** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **
** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE
  CONFIRMED **
.
Code:
WQOSL/AQR15AUG/CD/XDOH/AQR/CDEBB/-JNB/AQF/CDSYD/AQF/CDPER/-SYD/AQF/CDAKL/AQF/CD/XSYD/AAA/CDLAX/AAS/CDSJO/AAS/CD/XLAX/AAS/CDLHR/ABA/CDCAI/ABA/CD/XLHR/ABA/CDOSL-RW/SDFW/TDFW/VAA
PSGR TYPE  ADT
  FARE BASIS BOOK CODE          FARE TAX/FEES/CHGS  TOTAL
01 DONE4      D/D/D/D/* USD    5644.00  2333.50    7977.50 ADT
02 DONE5      D/D/D/D/* USD    6445.00  2333.50    8778.50 ADT
03 DONE6      D/D/D/D/* USD    7271.00  2433.50    9704.50 ADT
*01-03*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY
*01-03*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED
*01-03*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED
*01-03*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY
ATTN*SEE OTHER FARES - USE XM QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-XM
ATTN*SEE ALL FARES - USE AL QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-AL
 
** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **
** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE
  CONFIRMED **
.
Code:
WQOSL/AQR15AUG/CD/XDOH/AQR/CDEBB/-JNB/AQF/CDSYD/AQF/CDPER/-SYD/AQF/CDAKL/AQF/CD/XSYD/AAA/CDLAX/AAS/CDSJO/AAS/CD/XLAX/AIB/CDLHR/ABA/CDCAI/ABA/CD/XLHR/ABA/CDOSL-RW/SDFW/TDFW/VAA
PSGR TYPE  ADT
  FARE BASIS BOOK CODE          FARE TAX/FEES/CHGS  TOTAL
01 DONE4      D/D/D/D/* USD    5644.00  2333.50    7977.50 ADT
02 DONE5      D/D/D/D/* USD    6445.00  2333.50    8778.50 ADT
03 DONE6      D/D/D/D/* USD    7271.00  2433.50    9704.50 ADT
*01-03*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY
*01-03*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED
*01-03*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED
*01-03*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY
ATTN*SEE OTHER FARES - USE XM QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-XM
ATTN*SEE ALL FARES - USE AL QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-AL
 
** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **
** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE
  CONFIRMED **
.
Since they all have the same amount, I will just use AA code on LAX-LHR to show the breakdown:
Code:
WQOSL/AQR15AUG/CD/XDOH/AQR/CDEBB/-JNB/AQF/CDSYD/AQF/CDPER/-SYD/AQF/CDAKL/AQF/CD/XSYD/AAA/CDLAX/AAS/CDSJO/AAS/CD/XLAX/AAA/CDLHR/ABA/CDCAI/ABA/CD/XLHR/ABA/CDOSL-RW/SDFW/TDFW/VAA«

    PSGR TYPE  ADT
      FARE BASIS BOOK CODE          FARE TAX/FEES/CHGS  TOTAL
    01 DONE4      D/D/D/D/* USD    5644.00  2333.50    7977.50 ADT
    02 DONE5      D/D/D/D/* USD    6445.00  2333.50    8778.50 ADT
    03 DONE6      D/D/D/D/* USD    7271.00  2433.50    9704.50 ADT
    *01-03*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY
    *01-03*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED
    *01-03*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED
    *01-03*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY
    ATTN*SEE OTHER FARES - USE XM QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-XM
    ATTN*SEE ALL FARES - USE AL QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-AL
    ** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **
    ** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE
      CONFIRMED **
    .

WQ1«

    1 QROPEND 15AUG 2 OSLDOH DS1   
    2 QROPEND        DOHEBB DS1 
    3  ARNK
    4 QFOPEND        JNBSYD DS1 
    5 QFOPEND        SYDPER DS1 
    6  ARNK
    7 QFOPEND        SYDAKL DS1 
    8 QFOPEND        AKLSYD DS1 
    9 AAOPEND        SYDLAX DS1 
    10 ASOPEND        LAXSJO DS1 
    11 ASOPEND        SJOLAX DS1 
    12 AAOPEND        LAXLHR DS1 
    13 BAOPEND        LHRCAI DS1 
    14 BAOPEND        CAILHR DS1 
    15 BAOPEND        LHROSL DS1 
    PSGR TYPE  ADT - 01
        CXR RES DATE  FARE BASIS      NVB  NVA    BG
    OSL
    XDOH QR  D  15AUG DONE4          15AUG 15AUG 02P
    EBB QR  D  OPEN  DONE4          16AUG 16AUG 02P
    JNB    S U R F A C E
    SYD QF  D  OPEN  DONE4          18AUG 18AUG 02P            ¥

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    PER QF  D  OPEN  DONE4          19AUG 19AUG 01P            ¥
    SYD    S U R F A C E
    AKL QF  D  OPEN  DONE4          20AUG 20AUG 02P
    XSYD QF  D  OPEN  DONE4          21AUG 21AUG 02P
    LAX AA  D  OPEN  DONE4          22AUG 22AUG 02P
    SJO AS  D  OPEN  DONE4          23AUG 23AUG 02P
    XLAX AS  D  OPEN  DONE4          24AUG 24AUG 02P
    LON AA  D  OPEN  DONE4          25AUG 25AUG 02P
    CAI BA  D  OPEN  DONE4          26AUG 26AUG 02P
    XLON BA  D  OPEN  DONE4          27AUG 27AUG 02P
    OSL BA  D  OPEN  DONE4          28AUG 28AUG 02P
    FARE  NOK    57959 EQUIV USD  5644.00
    TAX  USD    31.20G2 USD    11.40ZN USD  2290.90XT
    TOTAL USD  7977.50
    ADT-01  DONE4
    OSL QR X/DOH QR EBB//JNB QF SYD QF PER//SYD QF AKL QF X/SYD AA
    LAX AS SJO AS X/LAX AA LON BA CAI BA X/LON BA OSL5424.67NUC
    5424.67END ROE10.684327
    XT USD16.50QA USD0.50PZ USD16.50G4 USD14.30ZA USD10.20WC
    XT USD1.60EV USD1.70UM USD39.20AU USD7.90QR USD1.20WG
    XT USD41.00WY USD26.60F1 USD10.30IA USD42.20US USD13.04YC
    XT USD14.00XY USD7.66XA USD11.20AY USD10.76FS USD3.10IK
    XT USD15.00NW USD93.30UB USD25.00QH USD3.20JK USD2.00EQ        ¥

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    XT USD82.00YR USD1762.70YQ USD1.06P5 USD1.00O9 USD3.98S4      ¥
    XT USD2.70R9 USD0.50O2 USD9.00XFLAX4.5LAX4.5
    ENDOS*SEG0/1/2/4/5/7/8/9/10/11/12/13/14/15*VALID ON ONEWORLD
    ENDOS*ONLY/NONREF
    TKT/TL08AUG23/2359
    RATE USED 1NOK-0.09737948USD
    ATTN*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY SEG 1-15
    ATTN*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED SEG 1-15
    ATTN*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED SEG 1
    ATTN*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY SEG 1-15
    ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER SPECIFIED - AA
    ** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **
    ** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE
      CONFIRMED **
    .

WQ¥DF1«

    WQ¥DF1
    PSGR TYPE ADT
    FARE  NOK    57959 EQUIV USD  5644.00
    TAX  USD    31.20G2 USD    11.40ZN USD  2290.90XT
    TOTAL USD  7977.50
    OSL QR X/DOH QR EBB//JNB QF SYD QF PER//SYD QF AKL QF X/SYD AA L
    AX AS SJO AS X/LAX AA LON BA CAI BA X/LON BA OSL5424.67NUC5424.6
    7END ROE10.684327
    XT USD16.50QA USD0.50PZ USD16.50G4 USD14.30ZA USD10.20WC
    XT USD1.60EV USD1.70UM USD39.20AU USD7.90QR USD1.20WG
    XT USD41.00WY USD26.60F1 USD10.30IA USD42.20US USD13.04YC
    XT USD14.00XY USD7.66XA USD11.20AY USD10.76FS USD3.10IK
    XT USD15.00NW USD93.30UB USD25.00QH USD3.20JK USD2.00EQ
    XT USD82.00YR USD1762.70YQ USD1.06P5 USD1.00O9 USD3.98S4
    XT USD2.70R9 USD0.50O2 USD9.00XFLAX4.5LAX4.5
    RATE USED 1NOK-0.09737948USD
    /////////////// TRAFFIC DOCUMENT ISSUED IN DFW ///////////////
    PU -FARE BASIS-CUR  NUC AMT ELEMENT DESCRIPTION ----------- GI
    01 DONE4      NOK  5424.67 OSL-OSL QF /RT RTG              RW
                        5424.67    -    TOTAL NUC
    -TAX AMT/USD/-- CUR  CODES  DESCRIPTION-----TAX TYPE/SEQUENCE--
        1672.50        /YQF SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED FUEL
            420.00:USD  420.00 *OSL* *QR*                  888
            1252.50:EUR  1145.00 *JNB* *QF*              2994925
          82.00        /YRI SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED MISC    ¥

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              16.00:USD    16.00 *OSL* *QR*                40012  ¥
              16.00:USD    16.00 *OSL* *QR*                40012
              12.50:USD    12.50 *JNB* *QF*              3595000
              12.50:USD    12.50 *JNB* *QF*              3595000
              12.50:USD    12.50 *SYD* *QF*              3595000
              12.50:USD    12.50 *AKL* *QF*              3595000
          90.20        /YQI SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED MISC
              30.60:EUR    28.00 *LHR* *BA*              8019810
              30.60:EUR    28.00 *CAI* *BA*              8019810
              29.00:EUR    26.50 *LHR* *BA*              8019981
          39.20        AU/AU  PASSENGER MOVEMENT CHARGE  PMC
              39.20:AUD    60.00 *SYD* *QF*          001    21250
            4.80        AU/QR  PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE DOMESTIC DE
              4.80:AUD    7.41 *SYD* *QF*          001  513750
            3.10        AU/QR2 PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE DOMESTIC AR
              3.10:AUD    4.72 *SYD* *QF*          002  1959843
            1.20        AU/WG  SAFETY AND SECURITY CHARGE  DEPARTUR
              1.20:AUD    1.81 *SYD* *QF*          001  608437
          20.50        AU/WY  PASSENGER SERVICES CHARGE DEPARTURE
              20.50:AUD    31.28 *SYD* *QF*          001  287500
          20.50        AU/WY2 PASSENGER SERVICES CHARGE ARRIVAL IN
              20.50:AUD    31.28 *JNB* *QF*          002  289375
          10.76        CR/FS  COMMON AREA USER CHARGE  DEPARTURE  ¥

MD«

              10.76:USD    10.76 *SJO* *AS*          001    20000  ¥
            1.55        CR/IK  SECURITY FEE  INTERNATIONAL DEPARTIN
              1.55:USD    1.55 *SJO* *AS*          001    10000
            1.55        CR/IK2 SECURITY FEE INTERNATIONAL ARRIVING
              1.55:USD    1.55 *LAX* *AS*          002  105000
          15.00        CR/NW  TOURISM ARRIVAL TAX
              15.00:USD    15.00 *LAX* *AS*          001  115000
            0.53        CR/P5  SUPPLEMENTAL SECURITY FEE  DEPARTURE
              0.53:USD    0.53 *SJO* *AS*          001  105000
            0.53        CR/P52 SUPPLEMENTAL SECURITY FEE  ARRIVALS
              0.53:USD    0.53 *LAX* *AS*          002  105000
            2.00        EG/EQ  SERVICE CHARGE
              2.00:USD    2.00 *CAI* *BA*          001    20000
            3.20        EG/JK  DEPARTURE FEE
              3.20:EGP  100.00 *CAI* *BA*          001    7500
            0.50        EG/O2  DEPARTURE SERVICE FEE
              0.50:EGP    15.00 *CAI* *BA*          001  100000
            1.00        EG/O9  CUTE CUPPS FEE
              1.00:USD    1.00 *CAI* *BA*          001  105000
          25.00        EG/QH  EMBARKATION TAX
              25.00:USD    25.00 *CAI* *BA*          001    40000
            1.99        EG/S4  INTERNATIONAL ADVANCED PASSENGER INF
              1.99:USD    1.99 *CAI* *BA*          001  105000  ¥

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            1.99        EG/S42 INTERNATIONAL ADVANCED PASSENGER INF¥
              1.99:USD    1.99 *LHR* *BA*          002  105000
          93.30        GB/UB  PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE DEPARTURES
              70.90:GBP    55.81 *LHR* *BA*          001  4724938
              22.40:GBP    17.66 *LHR* *BA*          001  4704938
          31.20        NO/G2  AIR PASSENGER TAX
              31.20:NOK      320 *OSL* *QR*          001  160000
          11.40        NO/ZN  PASSENGER CHARGE
              11.40:NOK      117 *OSL* *QR*          001  112500
            3.20        NZ/F1  BORDER CLEARANCE LEVY INTERNATIONAL
              3.20:NZD    5.20 *AKL* *QF*          001  113750
          23.40        NZ/F12 BORDER CLEARANCE LEVY INTERNATIONAL
              23.40:NZD    38.54 *SYD* *QF*          002  114375
          10.30        NZ/IA  PASSENGER SECURITY CHARGE  INTERNATI
              10.30:NZD    16.93 *AKL* *QF*          001    55000
          16.50        QA/G4  PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE PFC
              16.50:QAR    60.00 *DOH* *QR*          001  105000
            0.50        QA/PZ2 PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE ARRIVALS
              0.50:USD    0.50 *OSL* *QR*          002  110000
          16.50        QA/QA  AIRPORT FEE INTERNATIONAL
              16.50:QAR    60.00 *DOH* *QR*          001    25000
            2.70        QA/R9  PASSENGER SAFETY AND SECURITY FEE PS
              2.70:QAR    10.00 *DOH* *QR*          001  110000  ¥

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          11.20        US/AY  PASSENGER CIVIL AVIATION SECURITY SE¥
              5.60:USD    5.60 *LAX*              001  828212
              5.60:USD    5.60 *LAX*              001  808212
          42.20        US/US2 TRANSPORTATION TAX INTERNATIONAL DEP
              21.10:USD    21.10 *LAX* *AS*          014  187890
              21.10:USD    21.10 *AKL* *QF*          015  137890
            7.66        US/XA  APHIS PASSENGER FEE PASSENGERS
              3.83:USD    3.83 *SJO* *AS*          001  112500
              3.83:USD    3.83 *SYD* *AA*          001  112500
          14.00        US/XY2 IMMIGRATION USER FEE
              7.00:USD    7.00 *SJO* *AS*          002  130000
              7.00:USD    7.00 *SYD* *AA*          002  130000
          13.04        US/YC  CUSTOMS USER FEE
              6.52:USD    6.52 *SJO* *AS*          001  125000
              6.52:USD    6.52 *SYD* *AA*          001  125000
            1.60        ZA/EV  PASSENGER SAFETY CHARGE
              1.60:ZAR    29.33 *JNB* *QF*          001  149375
            1.70        ZA/UM  ASC CHARGE
              1.70:ZAR    31.05 *JNB* *QF*          001  109921
          10.20        ZA/WC  AIR PASSENGER TAX
              10.20:ZAR  190.00 *JNB* *QF*          001  145000
          14.30        ZA/ZA  PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE
              14.30:ZAR  266.05 *JNB* *QF*          001  394509  ¥

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            9.00        US/XF  PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE          ¥
              4.50:USD    4.50 *LAX*                 
              4.50:USD    4.50 *LAX*                 
    -IATA RATES OF EXCHANGE USED IN FARE CALCULATION --------------
      10.6843270  NOK-ROE  EFF 01AUG23*INDEF
    -BSR USED IN FARE CALCULATION ---------------------------------
    1NOK:0.09737948USD               
    -BSR USED IN TAX CALCULATION ----------------------------------
    1EUR:1.09389258USD                1AUD:0.65406532USD
    1EGP:0.03241491USD                1GBP:1.26986032USD
    1NOK:0.09737948USD                1NZD:0.6077553USD
    1QAR:0.27461211USD                1ZAR:0.05375151USD
    -PRICING UNIT TRIP TYPE ---------------------------------------
      PU 01 - SPECIAL RW SINGLE FARE COMPONENT
    .

ademanuele Aug 6, 2023 2:50 pm
Thanks ernestnywang , appreciate you taking the time to get this priced, I did not appreciate the complexities. Would an experienced travel agent be able to get this itinerary to work as you have? I guess it will do no harm to provide Trailfinders with a link to your post…

ernestnywang Aug 6, 2023 3:03 pm
Originally Posted by ademanuele (Post 35475796)
Thanks ernestnywang , appreciate you taking the time to get this priced, I did not appreciate the complexities. Would an experienced travel agent be able to get this itinerary to work as you have? I guess it will do no harm to provide Trailfinders with a link to your post…
The itinerary you are looking for is not auto-priceable. With the tweaks I made, a TA can more easily issue the itinerary. With the original itinerary you want, a TA will likely need to send the itinerary to some airline's tariff desk. I have no idea what Trailfinders can or cannot do. I also don't know which GDS they use. If they price the itinerary on QR using Sabre, the YR/YQ should be very low (only QR + BA). If they price the itinerary on QF, the YR/YQ is not that different compared to plating the itinerary on AA.

I must say complexities are part of the game. xONEx is very complex to begin with. I think it would be unreasonable if you want to save money while not dealing with complexities at the same time.

ademanuele Aug 11, 2023 2:41 pm
I sent the above routing to my TA and they have raised an issue with DOH-EBB-DOH-JNB:

"The issue we have is with the EBB-DOH-JNB-SYD. Looking at point E on the one world explorer rules.

(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
1. Two permitted in North America.
2. Two permitted in Asia.
3. Two permitted in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa.
If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa.

Doha is counted as Europe here so though you are permitted the extra transfer through Europe South Africa is excluded from the allowed list.

If you were going to EBB via DOH to somewhere else in Africa and then on to OZ then that would work but not if it involves South Africa,

The work around would be

EBB surface sector to JNB and then carry on with your trip as planned."

My understanding is that the proposed routing is allowed, as steveholt pointed out, "section 3 distinguishes the Middle East as a subdivision of the Europe/Middle East "continent," and that your route is legal as long as you don't return to Europe (the other subdivision of Europe/Middle East) between African destinations, one of which is Joburg. In other words, a routing of LHR-DOH-EBB-LHR-JNB-SYD would be against the rules while LHR-DOH-EBB-DOH-JNB would comply"

Any thoughts on my TAs response and anything I can add (to stevenholt's statement) when responding?

ademanuele Aug 15, 2023 4:38 am
Just as a followup to my last post, I called BA (on a Sunday morning as advised and got through to the Newcastle office!) and they were very helpful. They were able to price LHR-DOH-EBB-DOH-JNB... I have fed back to my TA and hopefully they will look at again. From my reading of the posts it appears that interpretation of the rules by TAs is a general issue (perhaps understandable in this example)? What is the best way of working with them on RTW tickets?

ademanuele Aug 23, 2023 3:00 am
Originally Posted by ademanuele (Post 35498797)
Just as a followup to my last post, I called BA (on a Sunday morning as advised and got through to the Newcastle office!) and they were very helpful. They were able to price LHR-DOH-EBB-DOH-JNB... I have fed back to my TA and hopefully they will look at again. From my reading of the posts it appears that interpretation of the rules by TAs is a general issue (perhaps understandable in this example)? What is the best way of working with them on RTW tickets?
My TA have got back to me and they are going to consult another colleague. They admitted that the difficulty is the rules are open to interpretation and as agents they face considerable fines if they get it wrong, which I did not appreciate... As a newbie to RTW it would be helpful if examples were provided in the rules of what is and isn't allowed (e.g. LHR-DOH-EBB-LHR-JNB-SYD vs LHR-DOH-EBB-DOH-JNB), but guess that is why we have this forum :)

pandaperth Aug 23, 2023 5:31 am
Sorry, but I'm a latecomer to this thread, and with regards to the discussion around DOH-EBB-DOH-JNB and the like, I think you are all missing the fundamental point that you are allowed only one visit to Africa and the routing has two visits.

ademanuele Aug 23, 2023 5:45 am
Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 35520825)
Sorry, but I'm a latecomer to this thread, and with regards to the discussion around DOH-EBB-DOH-JNB and the like, I think you are all missing the fundamental point that you are allowed only one visit to Africa and the routing has two visits.
Thanks pandaperth , earlier in this thread the consensus was that this was permitted, does the rule below not apply?

(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
1. Two permitted in North America.
2. Two permitted in Asia.
3. Two permitted in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa.
If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa.

pandaperth Aug 23, 2023 6:18 am
Yes of course that rule applies.
And in the case of Africa, the pertinent part of the rule is everything before the word "except".
- only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival is allowed.
- your proposed itinerary has two arrivals and two departures.

ademanuele Aug 23, 2023 6:52 am
pandaperth My latest itinerary is below. In my itinerary I understand that I have one intercontinental departure from Europe to Africa (segment 1 and 2 (transit via Middle East)) and one return to Europe from North America (segment 13). Is the transit (between segments 1 and 2) considered an additional intercontinental arrival/departure, my understanding is that it is not (and is a transit)?

I have a journey from EBB to JNB via Doha which is a transit in the Middle East (segments 3 and 4). I assume counts as an intercontinental arrival and departure from the Middle East?

I guess segments 14 and 15 are not allowed as there is a second intercontinental arrival/departure from Europe?
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ernestnywang Aug 23, 2023 10:25 am
Originally Posted by ademanuele (Post 35521017)
Is the transit (between segments 1 and 2) considered an additional intercontinental arrival/departure, my understanding is that it is not (and is a transit)?
I will wait for pandaperth's confirmation, but I think the problem is that you are entering Africa twice (DOH-EBB and DOH-JNB) and leaving Africa twice (EBB-DOH and JNB-SYD).

ademanuele Aug 23, 2023 10:44 am
Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 35521524)
I will wait for pandaperth's confirmation, but I think the problem is that you are entering Africa twice (DOH-EBB and DOH-JNB) and leaving Africa twice (EBB-DOH and JNB-SYD).
My TA has come back and said they definitely can not book this. Am puzzled as when I called BA they could get the DOH-EBB-DOH-JNB-SYD to work with dummy flights. If this does not work I will book a surface sector from EBB to JNB. I am still unsure whether segments 14 to 16 are allowed as I will be departing/returning to Europe for a second time, I suspect not allowed.


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