Interesting options for - Any ideas
Jul 8, 2023, 11:40 am
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 453
Interesting options for Japan trip - Any ideas
I need to be in Tokyo from about 9 Oct 23-12 Oct 23 and I would like to extend my trip at either end and include some interesting countires, i am looking at a total trip time of about 20-25 days.
This will probably have to be an economy trip unless I can come up with some decent business pricing. One thought is that I may want to split some of the longer flights with an overnight stop just to make economy travel more bearable e.g. 24 hours in the emirates.
Before I get to deep into this can anyone suggest any routing to include interesting places, I have spent some time in Japan before so I would like to go elsewhere this trip although Okinowa in Japan is one option I was considering Tawain has been recommened but I am happy to consider anywhere else with decent links between the UK and Japan. I am pretty sure i will have to step outside oneworld at least for some of this trip.
Any tips to for keen business prices also appreciated.
TIA
This will probably have to be an economy trip unless I can come up with some decent business pricing. One thought is that I may want to split some of the longer flights with an overnight stop just to make economy travel more bearable e.g. 24 hours in the emirates.
Before I get to deep into this can anyone suggest any routing to include interesting places, I have spent some time in Japan before so I would like to go elsewhere this trip although Okinowa in Japan is one option I was considering Tawain has been recommened but I am happy to consider anywhere else with decent links between the UK and Japan. I am pretty sure i will have to step outside oneworld at least for some of this trip.
Any tips to for keen business prices also appreciated.
TIA
Last edited by wytco0; Jul 8, 2023 at 1:19 pm
Jul 8, 2023, 3:05 pm
#2
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 6,437
I need to be in Tokyo from about 9 Oct 23-12 Oct 23 and I would like to extend my trip at either end and include some interesting countires, i am looking at a total trip time of about 20-25 days.
This will probably have to be an economy trip unless I can come up with some decent business pricing. One thought is that I may want to split some of the longer flights with an overnight stop just to make economy travel more bearable e.g. 24 hours in the emirates.
Before I get to deep into this can anyone suggest any routing to include interesting places, I have spent some time in Japan before so I would like to go elsewhere this trip although Okinowa in Japan is one option I was considering Tawain has been recommened but I am happy to consider anywhere else with decent links between the UK and Japan. I am pretty sure i will have to step outside oneworld at least for some of this trip.
Any tips to for keen business prices also appreciated.
TIA
This will probably have to be an economy trip unless I can come up with some decent business pricing. One thought is that I may want to split some of the longer flights with an overnight stop just to make economy travel more bearable e.g. 24 hours in the emirates.
Before I get to deep into this can anyone suggest any routing to include interesting places, I have spent some time in Japan before so I would like to go elsewhere this trip although Okinowa in Japan is one option I was considering Tawain has been recommened but I am happy to consider anywhere else with decent links between the UK and Japan. I am pretty sure i will have to step outside oneworld at least for some of this trip.
Any tips to for keen business prices also appreciated.
TIA
If you are just considering breaking a long-haul between the UK and Japan into 2 medium-hauls, within oneworld I can't think of anything else other than QR, many of whose fares do allow free stopover in DOH.
Jul 8, 2023, 4:32 pm
#3
Moderator, OneWorld
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: SEA
Programs: RAA RIP; AA ExEXP
Posts: 11,804
I need to be in Tokyo from about 9 Oct 23-12 Oct 23 and I would like to extend my trip at either end and include some interesting countires, i am looking at a total trip time of about 20-25 days.
This will probably have to be an economy trip unless I can come up with some decent business pricing. One thought is that I may want to split some of the longer flights with an overnight stop just to make economy travel more bearable e.g. 24 hours in the emirates.
Before I get to deep into this can anyone suggest any routing to include interesting places, I have spent some time in Japan before so I would like to go elsewhere this trip although Okinowa in Japan is one option I was considering Tawain has been recommened but I am happy to consider anywhere else with decent links between the UK and Japan. I am pretty sure i will have to step outside oneworld at least for some of this trip.
Any tips to for keen business prices also appreciated.
TIA
This will probably have to be an economy trip unless I can come up with some decent business pricing. One thought is that I may want to split some of the longer flights with an overnight stop just to make economy travel more bearable e.g. 24 hours in the emirates.
Before I get to deep into this can anyone suggest any routing to include interesting places, I have spent some time in Japan before so I would like to go elsewhere this trip although Okinowa in Japan is one option I was considering Tawain has been recommened but I am happy to consider anywhere else with decent links between the UK and Japan. I am pretty sure i will have to step outside oneworld at least for some of this trip.
Any tips to for keen business prices also appreciated.
TIA
Here's a thought, maybe quickly discarded. Buy a 3-continent Oneworld Explorer business class RTW with the ticket starting in Norway. RTWs are priced very differently from one country to another (where the trip begins, not where you live) and a 3-continent business class "DONE3" ticket originating in Norway has a base price of £3840 compared to one starting in the UK with a base price of £5471. You can get (economy) from London to Oslo for under a hundred quid, so some obvious savings.
The DONE3 is good for up to 16 flights over the course of a year, of which four can be in Asia, four in Europe (which includes the Middle East) and six within North America, which includes the Caribbean and Central America.
So imagine you fly to Oslo and activate the ticket, fly to Helsinki and connect to a Finnair flight to Singapore. Gobble some Hainan chicken rice or whatever for a day or two, then it's up to Japan (can we assume Tokyo?) for your visit there.
When you're done, do a combination tier point/mileage run/autumn foliage tour. Fly back to Hong Kong, then back to Japan, but this time to Chitose/Sapporo in Hokkaido, where the autumn foliage should be well on its way to gobsmack levels. Tour around for a couple of days, then head back to Hong Kong (or just back to Tokyo, but fewer tier points) and then it's across the Pacific to Los Angeles. Do an easy tier point turnaround from LAX up to Anchorage and back (maybe too late for much autumn color in Alaska but possible) then it's off to Boston and some "leaf peeping" in New England. Get a car and head up to New Hampshire or Vermont for some autumn glory, then back to Boston and back to London. You'll have been gone from home for around 3 weeks, so within your parameters.
BUT... the RTW still affords you three flights within Europe (and two stopovers, with London/Norfolk being the first) and you'd still have 10 or 11 months left on the RTWs calendar. So maybe sometime in the winter or spring you take a trip to the Middle East - maybe Qatar or Oman, or Israel, then it's back to Oslo to finish the ticket.
Here's an imaginary route that complies with the RTW rules - OSL-HEL-SIN-HND-HKG-CTS-HKG-LAX-ANC-LAX-BOS-LHR-MAD-DOH-OSL that would generate something like 1440 BA tier points, close to Gold, never mind silver. You'd need some BA-metal segments if you don't have enough already, but these could be easy weekenders to Scotland or Ireland, Holland or France, whatever's cheap and interesting.
So anyway this MIGHT be a solution to your desire to get back to Silver (or better) with BA and open the door to some interesting destinations. Granted, this is a lot of butt-in-seat miles (more like butt-in-bed) over a short time, but it would be far from grueling. Maybe worth some thought.
Last edited by Gardyloo; Jul 8, 2023 at 8:50 pm
Jul 9, 2023, 12:31 am
#4
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 453
Hi Gardyloo, your reply is exactly the sort of thing that make this forum so useful, yes I am still looking to get back to Silver, I had to delay it a bit due to other priorities. I would never have thought about the RTW fares without your post. This looks like a very interesting option and I think I will be spending a lot of today exploring it. Thanks for posting and I even like your possible routing.
Jul 9, 2023, 12:35 am
#5
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 453
Routes between Okinawa and rest of Japan are well served by JL. Both CX and JL fly between Taiwan and Tokyo, Osaka, and Nagoya. You certainly don't need to step outside of oneworld if these are the excursions you are considering.
If you are just considering breaking a long-haul between the UK and Japan into 2 medium-hauls, within oneworld I can't think of anything else other than QR, many of whose fares do allow free stopover in DOH.
If you are just considering breaking a long-haul between the UK and Japan into 2 medium-hauls, within oneworld I can't think of anything else other than QR, many of whose fares do allow free stopover in DOH.
Jul 9, 2023, 6:20 am
#6
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 453
Looking at previous posts, back in April you were talking about trying to get (back) to BA Silver from nothing. Is that still the case? Also, what would qualify as "keen" business pricing? And a related question, what if any other travel plans do you have for the remainder of 2023 and the first half of 2024?
Here's a thought, maybe quickly discarded. Buy a 3-continent Oneworld Explorer business class RTW with the ticket starting in Norway. RTWs are priced very differently from one country to another (where the trip begins, not where you live) and a 3-continent business class "DONE3" ticket originating in Norway has a base price of £3840 compared to one starting in the UK with a base price of £5471. You can get (economy) from London to Oslo for under a hundred quid, so some obvious savings.
Here's a thought, maybe quickly discarded. Buy a 3-continent Oneworld Explorer business class RTW with the ticket starting in Norway. RTWs are priced very differently from one country to another (where the trip begins, not where you live) and a 3-continent business class "DONE3" ticket originating in Norway has a base price of £3840 compared to one starting in the UK with a base price of £5471. You can get (economy) from London to Oslo for under a hundred quid, so some obvious savings.
Jul 9, 2023, 9:01 am
#7
Moderator, OneWorld
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: SEA
Programs: RAA RIP; AA ExEXP
Posts: 11,804
Note that relying on the Oneworld online tool for this can result in hair loss at a minimum. The tool is hopelessly buggy and unreliable, and tends to default to higher-cost options, e.g. choosing British Airways as the initial carrier in order to get BA's usurious surcharges and fees applied to all flights, not just those operated by BA. There are workarounds possible, with the emphasis on "work."
Last edited by Gardyloo; Jul 9, 2023 at 9:46 am
Jul 9, 2023, 12:50 pm
#8
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 453
Shouldn't be that much. If you don't mind sharing, what route did you specify and where did you obtain the price? It sounds suspiciously like you've gotten the ex-UK fare, not the ex-Norway one.
Note that relying on the Oneworld online tool for this can result in hair loss at a minimum. The tool is hopelessly buggy and unreliable, and tends to default to higher-cost options, e.g. choosing British Airways as the initial carrier in order to get BA's usurious surcharges and fees applied to all flights, not just those operated by BA. There are workarounds possible, with the emphasis on "work."
Note that relying on the Oneworld online tool for this can result in hair loss at a minimum. The tool is hopelessly buggy and unreliable, and tends to default to higher-cost options, e.g. choosing British Airways as the initial carrier in order to get BA's usurious surcharges and fees applied to all flights, not just those operated by BA. There are workarounds possible, with the emphasis on "work."
Jul 10, 2023, 11:42 am
#9
Moderator, OneWorld
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: SEA
Programs: RAA RIP; AA ExEXP
Posts: 11,804
Somehow the fare details you appended are for a Global Explorer trip, not a Oneworld Explorer. This is Oneworld's mileage-based RTW product (maximum 34,000 flown miles in business class) which has a base price a few dollars/pounds cheaper ex-Norway than the Oneworld Explorer, which is maybe some decision made by the Oneworld robots based on the mileage of your trip. The Global Explorer is far less flexible than the Oneworld Explorer; if you were to amend your plan to include more stops and more mileage, you'd have to convert the GlobEx to a Oneworld Explorer (OWE) with, of course, some major service charges.
Regarding the big number for carrier surcharges, not having a breakout by segment is a major problem, but I took it upon myself to use ITA and look up the YQ and YR charges listed for the various segments and carriers on your itinerary. These are shown in the currency of the departing airport, so one needs to change them to Norwegian Kroner to see how the total compares to the NOK 28,002 total on the estimate. And, guess what... the numbers don't add up at all. The total YQ/YR surcharges using he segment-by-segment approach comes to NOK 10,842, of which NOK 8934 is from one segment - BOS-LHR (US$850, the standard YQ charged by all the Oneworld carriers on USA-UK business class segments, whether it's LAX-LHR or BOS-LHR, LAX-MAD, JFK-HEL, you name it.) By comparison, the YQ/YR charged by Oneworld carriers on Canada-Europe business class segments is CA$714.50, or US$536. From the Caribbean it's US$365, from Mexico it's US$400.
My hunch - and this is just a hunch - is that when you put Finnair in as the first carrier, somehow the fare calculation and ticketing duties get assigned by the robots to BA. (This is similar to the Star Alliance online RTW tool, which assigns everything to Lufthansa for ticketing, whether or not LH even has a segment in the trip.) BA is notorious for adding YQ surcharges on segments flown by everyone in the itinerary, even if those carriers don't charge YQ or YR themselves. (Note I don't know the difference between YQ and YR, but they both turn up as "carrier surcharges," so I just lump them together.) Anybody who's used BA Avios for award travel knows that even on non-BA segments, BA whacks you with big surcharges (incorrectly called "taxes" by many) as a form of revenue enhancement, i.e., profit-seeking, on BA's part. My guess is that that's what's happening here.
Possible workarounds, no guarantees or promises offered: Redo your itinerary so that it will be palatable for American to do the fare construction and ticketing. First, make sure it's a Oneworld Explorer you're buying, not a Global Explorer. Second, put in an AA-operated over-water segment, not an AA codeshare on BA or QF metal. SYD-LAX on AA 72 would get my vote but it's your call. You might also add a BOS-YUL (non-Oneworld so outside the ticket) segment then fly YUL-LHR to get the cheaper ex-Canada transatlantic YQ charge. You can afford the surface segment. (Or you could add two segments in North America and fly BOS-ORD-YYZ, or if AA is flying its seasonal route to Cancun, go BOS-CUN-LGW)
There are various workarounds, but the main thing would be to get someone besides BA to do the ticketing. Like I say, no guarantees but maybe worth some time.
I'm attaching a pdf of my worksheet. Hope there aren't any gross errors.
Edited to add - I see I left out the legitimate taxes and non-YQ/YR fees from the fare quote, so the bottom "all in" line on the spreadsheet is bogus. But the math is easy.
Last edited by Gardyloo; Jul 10, 2023 at 11:50 am
Jul 11, 2023, 5:26 am
#10
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NRT / HND
Programs: AA EXP, NH Plat, Former UA 1K
Posts: 5,672
Regarding the big number for carrier surcharges, not having a breakout by segment is a major problem, but I took it upon myself to use ITA and look up the YQ and YR charges listed for the various segments and carriers on your itinerary. These are shown in the currency of the departing airport, so one needs to change them to Norwegian Kroner to see how the total compares to the NOK 28,002 total on the estimate. And, guess what... the numbers don't add up at all. The total YQ/YR surcharges using he segment-by-segment approach comes to NOK 10,842, of which NOK 8934 is from one segment - BOS-LHR (US$850, the standard YQ charged by all the Oneworld carriers on USA-UK business class segments, whether it's LAX-LHR or BOS-LHR, LAX-MAD, JFK-HEL, you name it.) By comparison, the YQ/YR charged by Oneworld carriers on Canada-Europe business class segments is CA$714.50, or US$536. From the Caribbean it's US$365, from Mexico it's US$400.
Jul 11, 2023, 10:07 am
#11
Moderator, OneWorld
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: SEA
Programs: RAA RIP; AA ExEXP
Posts: 11,804
Unfortunately for OneWorld Explorer ticket's that method of YQ/YR calculation doesn't work. It's quite a bit different on an Explorer ticket than individual revenue tickets. From my best understanding it's varied quite heavily based on the point of origin of the xONEx ticket and the ticketing carrier, but for example an ex-TYO DONE5 tends to have around 40,000-60,000 JPY in YQ/YR but if you checked the same itinerary on Matrix you'd end up easily with 200,000-300,000 JPY depending on the itinerary. The only way I know to get a full breakdown by carrier is to get a travel agent to run the itinerary for you.
I think I once got a full breakdown from the AA RTW desk but I can't find it now (years ago.) The ticket had been issued by AA's GSA in Cape Town, but the (then Dublin) AA rates desk had done the crunching.
Jul 11, 2023, 1:23 pm
#12
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NRT / HND
Programs: AA EXP, NH Plat, Former UA 1K
Posts: 5,672
Right, that's my point (which I made poorly, evidently.) The lumped-together YQ/YR total in wytco0's fare summary is opaque as to both who did the calculations and what the per-segment charges were. As I said, I suspect the culprit is BA, but the only way to know for sure is to see the actual ticket numbers once issued, so you could see the prefix that indicates the issuing carrier, hence (presumably) who did the numbers (e.g. 001, AA, 125 BA and so on.)
I think I once got a full breakdown from the AA RTW desk but I can't find it now (years ago.) The ticket had been issued by AA's GSA in Cape Town, but the (then Dublin) AA rates desk had done the crunching.
I think I once got a full breakdown from the AA RTW desk but I can't find it now (years ago.) The ticket had been issued by AA's GSA in Cape Town, but the (then Dublin) AA rates desk had done the crunching.
Jul 14, 2023, 3:33 pm
#13
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 6,437
Code:
1 AY 916D 08OCT 7 OSLHEL GK1 1715 1935 /E
2 AY 131D 09OCT 1 HELSIN GK1 0125 1930 /E
3 JL 38D 11OCT 3 SINHND GK1 0150 0950 /E
4 QF 26D 20OCT 5 HNDSYD GK1 2200 0950 21OCT 6 /E
5 QF 11D 24OCT 2 SYDLAX GK1 1020 0605 /E
6 AA1632D 26OCT 4 LAXBOS GK1 0715 1555 /E
7 BA 238D 27OCT 5 BOSLHR GK1 0705 1835 /E
8 BA 762D 15NOV 3 LHROSL GK1 0750 1100 /E
WPRW„TOSL„SOSL„ABA„B9JUL23„«
PSGR TYPE ADT - 01
CXR RES DATE FARE BASIS NVB NVA BG
OSL
XHEL AY D 08OCT DGLOB34 08OCT 08OCT 02P
SIN AY D 09OCT DGLOB34 09OCT 09OCT 02P
TYO JL D 11OCT DGLOB34 11OCT 11OCT 02P
SYD QF D 20OCT DGLOB34 20OCT 20OCT 02P
LAX QF D 24OCT DGLOB34 24OCT 24OCT 02P
XBOS AA D 26OCT DGLOB34 26OCT 26OCT 02P
LON BA D 27OCT DGLOB34 27OCT 27OCT 02P
OSL BA D 15NOV DGLOB34 15NOV 15NOV 02P
FARE NOK 57359
TAX NOK 320G2 NOK 117ZN NOK 34725XT
TOTAL NOK 92521
ADT-01 DGLOB34
OSL AY X/HEL AY SIN JL TYO QF SYD QF LAX AA X/BOS BA LON BA
OSL5198.32NUC5198.32END ROE11.034127
XT NOK10XU NOK61WL NOK344SG NOK86L7 NOK63OP NOK220SW NOK428AU
XT NOK458WY NOK452US NOK70YC NOK75XY NOK41XA NOK120AY NOK355GB
XT NOK316UB NOK268YR NOK31236YQ NOK74TK NOK48XFBOS4.5
ENDOS*SEG1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8*ONEWORLD
ENDOS*NONREF/BL/EI/FJ/GK/JQ/PG/WS/3K
TKT/TL13SEP23/2359 „
MD«
ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER SPECIFIED - BA „
FORM OF PAYMENT FEES PER TICKET MAY APPLY
ADT DESCRIPTION FEE TKT TOTAL
OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 516470 0 92521
OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 223529 0 92521
OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 559867 0 92521
OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 900024 0 92521
OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 1611 0 92521
OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 532728 0 92521
OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 542527 0 92521
OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 11251 0 92521
ATTN*AIR EXTRAS AVAILABLE - SEE WP*AE
ATTN*BAGGAGE INFO AVAILABLE - SEE WP*BAG
.
WPDF«
WPDF
PSGR TYPE ADT
FARE NOK 57359
TAX NOK 320G2 NOK 117ZN NOK 34725XT
TOTAL NOK 92521
OSL AY X/HEL AY SIN JL TYO QF SYD QF LAX AA X/BOS BA LON BA OSL5198.32NUC5198.32END ROE11.034127
XT NOK10XU NOK61WL NOK344SG NOK86L7 NOK63OP
XT NOK220SW NOK428AU NOK458WY NOK452US NOK70YC
XT NOK75XY NOK41XA NOK120AY NOK355GB NOK316UB
XT NOK268YR NOK31236YQ NOK74TK NOK48XFBOS4.5
/////////////// TRAFFIC DOCUMENT ISSUED IN OSL ///////////////
PU -FARE BASIS-CUR NUC AMT ELEMENT DESCRIPTION ----------- GI
01 DGLOB34 NOK 5198.32 OSL-OSL AY /RT RTG RW
5198.32 - TOTAL NUC
-TAX AMT/NOK/-- CUR CODES DESCRIPTION-----TAX TYPE/SEQUENCE--
3234 /YQI SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED MISC
2915:EUR 250.00 *BOS* *BA* 2188840
280:EUR 24.00 *OSL* *AY* 2135000
39:USD 3.60 *SIN* *JL* 9040090
28002 /YQF SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED FUEL
1298:USD 121.00 *SIN* *JL* 1057150
13352:EUR 1145.00 *HND* *QF* 2994925
13352:EUR 1145.00 *SYD* *QF* 2994925
268 /YRI SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED MISC
134:USD 12.50 *HND* *QF* 3650000
134:USD 12.50 *SYD* *QF* 3650000
428 AU/AU PASSENGER MOVEMENT CHARGE PMC
428:AUD 60.00 *SYD* *QF* 001 21250
229 AU/WY PASSENGER SERVICES CHARGE DEPARTURE
229:AUD 32.16 *SYD* *QF* 001 188720
229 AU/WY2 PASSENGER SERVICES CHARGE ARRIVAL IN
229:AUD 32.16 *HND* *QF* 002 287113
61 FI/WL PASSENGER FEE INTERNATIONAL TRANSFE
61:EUR 5.20 *HEL* *AY* 001 44687
10 FI/XU AIR TRANSPORT SUPERVISION CHARGE
10:EUR 0.90 *HEL* *AY* 001 120000
355 GB/GB AIR PASSENGER DUTY APD
355:GBP 26.00 *LHR* *BA* 001 370000
316 GB/UB PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE DEPARTURES
316:GBP 23.18 *LHR* *BA* 001 4709938
220 JP/SW PASSENGER SERVICE FACILITIES CHARGE
220:JPY 2950 *HND* *QF* 001 475000
74 JP/TK INTERNATIONAL TOURIST TAX
74:JPY 1000 *HND* *QF* 001 100000
320 NO/G2 AIR PASSENGER TAX
320:NOK 320 *OSL* *AY* 001 160000
117 NO/ZN PASSENGER CHARGE
117:NOK 117 *OSL* *AY* 001 112500
86 SG/L7 AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT LEVY
86:SGD 10.80 *SIN* *JL* 001 105000
63 SG/OP AVIATION LEVY
63:SGD 8.00 *SIN* *JL* 001 120000
344 SG/SG PASSENGER SERVICE AND SECURITY FEE P
344:SGD 43.40 *SIN* *JL* 001 27498
120 US/AY PASSENGER CIVIL AVIATION SECURITY SE
60:USD 5.60 *LAX* 001 828212
60:USD 5.60 *BOS* 001 828212
452 US/US2 TRANSPORTATION TAX INTERNATIONAL DEP
226:USD 21.10 *BOS* *BA* 014 198906
226:USD 21.10 *SYD* *QF* 015 149453
41 US/XA APHIS PASSENGER FEE PASSENGERS
41:USD 3.83 *SYD* *QF* 001 112500
75 US/XY2 IMMIGRATION USER FEE
75:USD 7.00 *SYD* *QF* 002 130000
70 US/YC CUSTOMS USER FEE
70:USD 6.52 *SYD* *QF* 001 125000
48 US/XF PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE
48:USD 4.50 *BOS*
-IATA RATES OF EXCHANGE USED IN FARE CALCULATION --------------
11.0341270 NOK-ROE EFF 01JUL23*INDEF
-BSR USED IN TAX CALCULATION ----------------------------------
1EUR:11.66125511NOK 1USD:10.72901113NOK
1AUD:7.13136385NOK 1GBP:13.65296793NOK
1JPY:0.07446467NOK 1SGD:7.93059079NOK
-PRICING UNIT TRIP TYPE ---------------------------------------
PU 01 - SPECIAL RW SINGLE FARE COMPONENT
.
Code:
WPRW„TOSL„SOSL„AAY„B9JUL23„
PSGR TYPE ADT - 01
CXR RES DATE FARE BASIS NVB NVA BG
OSL
XHEL AY D 08OCT DGLOB34 08OCT 08OCT 02P
SIN AY D 09OCT DGLOB34 09OCT 09OCT 02P
TYO JL D 11OCT DGLOB34 11OCT 11OCT 02P
SYD QF D 20OCT DGLOB34 20OCT 20OCT 02P
LAX QF D 24OCT DGLOB34 24OCT 24OCT 02P
XBOS AA D 26OCT DGLOB34 26OCT 26OCT 02P
LON BA D 27OCT DGLOB34 27OCT 27OCT 02P
OSL BA D 15NOV DGLOB34 15NOV 15NOV 02P
FARE NOK 57359
TAX NOK 320G2 NOK 117ZN NOK 34725XT
TOTAL NOK 92521
ADT-01 DGLOB34
OSL AY X/HEL AY SIN JL TYO QF SYD QF LAX AA X/BOS BA LON BA
OSL5198.32NUC5198.32END ROE11.034127
XT NOK10XU NOK61WL NOK344SG NOK86L7 NOK63OP NOK220SW NOK428AU
XT NOK458WY NOK452US NOK70YC NOK75XY NOK41XA NOK120AY NOK355GB
XT NOK316UB NOK268YR NOK31236YQ NOK74TK NOK48XFBOS4.5
ENDOS*SEG1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8*ONEWORLD
ENDOS*NONREF/BL/EI/FJ/GK/JQ/PG/WS/3K
TKT/TL13SEP23/2359 „
Code:
1 AY 916D 08OCT 7 OSLHEL GK1 1715 1935 /E
2 AY 131D 09OCT 1 HELSIN GK1 0125 1930 /E
3 JL 38D 11OCT 3 SINHND GK1 0150 0950 /E
4 JL 51D 20OCT 5 HNDSYD GK1 1920 0710 21OCT 6 /E
5 AA 72D 24OCT 2 SYDLAX GK1 1010 0600 /E
6 AA1632D 26OCT 4 LAXBOS GK1 0715 1555 /E
7 BA 238D 27OCT 5 BOSLHR GK1 0705 1835 /E
8 BA 762D 15NOV 3 LHROSL GK1 0750 1100 /E
WPRW„TOSL„SOSL„AAY„B9JUL23„«
PSGR TYPE ADT - 01
CXR RES DATE FARE BASIS NVB NVA BG
OSL
XHEL AY D 08OCT DGLOB34 08OCT 08OCT 02P
SIN AY D 09OCT DGLOB34 09OCT 09OCT 02P
TYO JL D 11OCT DGLOB34 11OCT 11OCT 02P
SYD JL D 20OCT DGLOB34 20OCT 20OCT 02P
LAX AA D 24OCT DGLOB34 24OCT 24OCT 02P
XBOS AA D 26OCT DGLOB34 26OCT 26OCT 02P
LON BA D 27OCT DGLOB34 27OCT 27OCT 02P
OSL BA D 15NOV DGLOB34 15NOV 15NOV 02P
FARE NOK 57359
TAX NOK 320G2 NOK 117ZN NOK 10495XT
TOTAL NOK 68291
ADT-01 DGLOB34
OSL AY X/HEL AY SIN JL TYO JL SYD AA LAX AA X/BOS BA LON BA
OSL5198.32NUC5198.32END ROE11.034127
XT NOK10XU NOK61WL NOK344SG NOK86L7 NOK63OP NOK220SW NOK428AU
XT NOK489WY NOK452US NOK70YC NOK75XY NOK41XA NOK120AY NOK355GB
XT NOK316UB NOK7243YQ NOK74TK NOK48XFBOS4.5
ENDOS*SEG1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8*ONEWORLD
ENDOS*NONREF/BL/EI/FJ/GK/JQ/PG/WS/3K
TKT/TL13SEP23/2359 „
MD«
ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER SPECIFIED - AY „
FORM OF PAYMENT FEES PER TICKET MAY APPLY
MAXIMUM AMOUNT PER PASSENGER - 2049
ATTN*AIR EXTRAS AVAILABLE - SEE WP*AE
ATTN*BAGGAGE INFO AVAILABLE - SEE WP*BAG
.
WPDF«
WPDF
PSGR TYPE ADT
FARE NOK 57359
TAX NOK 320G2 NOK 117ZN NOK 10495XT
TOTAL NOK 68291
OSL AY X/HEL AY SIN JL TYO JL SYD AA LAX AA X/BOS BA LON BA OSL5198.32NUC5198.32END ROE11.034127
XT NOK10XU NOK61WL NOK344SG NOK86L7 NOK63OP
XT NOK220SW NOK428AU NOK489WY NOK452US NOK70YC
XT NOK75XY NOK41XA NOK120AY NOK355GB NOK316UB
XT NOK7243YQ NOK74TK NOK48XFBOS4.5
/////////////// TRAFFIC DOCUMENT ISSUED IN OSL ///////////////
PU -FARE BASIS-CUR NUC AMT ELEMENT DESCRIPTION ----------- GI
01 DGLOB34 NOK 5198.32 OSL-OSL AY /RT RTG RW
5198.32 - TOTAL NUC
-TAX AMT/NOK/-- CUR CODES DESCRIPTION-----TAX TYPE/SEQUENCE--
3273 /YQI SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED MISC
280:EUR 24.00 *OSL* *AY* 2135000
39:USD 3.60 *SIN* *JL* 9040090
39:USD 3.60 *HND* *JL* 9040090
2915:EUR 250.00 *BOS* *BA* 2188840
3970 /YQF SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED FUEL
1298:USD 121.00 *SIN* *JL* 1057150
2672:USD 249.00 *HND* *JL* 1057375
428 AU/AU PASSENGER MOVEMENT CHARGE PMC
428:AUD 60.00 *SYD* *AA* 001 21250
223 AU/WY PASSENGER SERVICES CHARGE DEPARTURE
223:AUD 31.28 *SYD* *AA* 001 287500
266 AU/WY2 PASSENGER SERVICES CHARGE ARRIVAL IN
266:AUD 37.25 *HND* *JL* 002 218551
61 FI/WL PASSENGER FEE INTERNATIONAL TRANSFE
61:EUR 5.20 *HEL* *AY* 001 44687
10 FI/XU AIR TRANSPORT SUPERVISION CHARGE
10:EUR 0.90 *HEL* *AY* 001 120000
355 GB/GB AIR PASSENGER DUTY APD
355:GBP 26.00 *LHR* *BA* 001 370000
316 GB/UB PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE DEPARTURES
316:GBP 23.18 *LHR* *BA* 001 4709938
220 JP/SW PASSENGER SERVICE FACILITIES CHARGE
220:JPY 2950 *HND* *JL* 001 475000
74 JP/TK INTERNATIONAL TOURIST TAX
74:JPY 1000 *HND* *JL* 001 100000
320 NO/G2 AIR PASSENGER TAX
320:NOK 320 *OSL* *AY* 001 160000
117 NO/ZN PASSENGER CHARGE
117:NOK 117 *OSL* *AY* 001 112500
86 SG/L7 AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT LEVY
86:SGD 10.80 *SIN* *JL* 001 105000
63 SG/OP AVIATION LEVY
63:SGD 8.00 *SIN* *JL* 001 120000
344 SG/SG PASSENGER SERVICE AND SECURITY FEE P
344:SGD 43.40 *SIN* *JL* 001 27498
120 US/AY
60:USD 5.60 *LAX* 001 828212
60:USD 5.60 *BOS* 001 828212
452 US/US2
226:USD 21.10 *BOS* *BA* 014 198906
226:USD 21.10 *SYD* *AA* 015 149453
41 US/XA APHIS PASSENGER FEE PASSENGERS
41:USD 3.83 *SYD* *AA* 001 112500
75 US/XY2 IMMIGRATION USER FEE
75:USD 7.00 *SYD* *AA* 002 130000
70 US/YC CUSTOMS USER FEE
70:USD 6.52 *SYD* *AA* 001 125000
48 US/XF PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE
48:USD 4.50 *BOS*
-IATA RATES OF EXCHANGE USED IN FARE CALCULATION --------------
11.0341270 NOK-ROE EFF 01JUL23*INDEF
-BSR USED IN TAX CALCULATION ----------------------------------
1EUR:11.66125511NOK 1USD:10.72901113NOK
1AUD:7.13136385NOK 1GBP:13.65296793NOK
1JPY:0.07446467NOK 1SGD:7.93059079NOK
-PRICING UNIT TRIP TYPE ---------------------------------------
PU 01 - SPECIAL RW SINGLE FARE COMPONENT
.
Jul 15, 2023, 1:51 am
#14
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NRT / HND
Programs: AA EXP, NH Plat, Former UA 1K
Posts: 5,672
I was able to get a very close quote. To answer the most important part of your question, the main chunk of carrier surcharge is from QF, which adds 1145EUR each on HND-SYD and SYD-LAX.
I am a bit confused whether BA or AY was used for plating. Thought it would be AY. Anyway, there is no difference between YR/YQ whether BA or AY plate is used.
The easiest way to reduce YR/YQ would be to change HND-SYD to JL (note, seems no D available on the same day) and SYD-LAX to AA (or use the AS code-share with QF or AA).
I only see a very small difference on YR/YQ whether BOS-LHR is on AA-code or BA-code, or whether SYD-LAX is on AA-code or AS-code, when plated on BA or AY.
I am a bit confused whether BA or AY was used for plating. Thought it would be AY. Anyway, there is no difference between YR/YQ whether BA or AY plate is used.
The easiest way to reduce YR/YQ would be to change HND-SYD to JL (note, seems no D available on the same day) and SYD-LAX to AA (or use the AS code-share with QF or AA).
I only see a very small difference on YR/YQ whether BOS-LHR is on AA-code or BA-code, or whether SYD-LAX is on AA-code or AS-code, when plated on BA or AY.