Is this a valid AONE4 routing ?
Nov 14, 2022, 12:50 pm
#16
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Programs: AA ExPlat
Posts: 184
You are certainly allowed more than one stopover @ LHR, and I have personally had an itinerary with 2 such stopovers.
The rules concerning stopovers are
- travel may not be via the point of origin (and so by implication no stopover there)
- maximum two stopovers in the continent of origin (which for you is Asia)
- minimum two stopovers required
That's all
with regard to the LHR-DOH-LHR being flagged, an outside possibility is that this a hangover from an old, old version of the rules which restricted the number of intra-Europe/Middle East flights to/from the UK. I consider this unlikely because it would have had its own specific error message.
But it can be easily checked - simply change LHR-DOH-SYD to say CDG-DOH-SYD.
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FYI the old rule was removed by the update of 2016-12; its wording was:
4(h) A minimum of 3 and maximum of 16 segments, including surface segments between any 2 airports, are permitted for the entire journey.
Free flight segments within each continent are limited as follows:
Africa 4
Asia 4
Europe Middle East 4*
*not more than 2 of which may be between the UK and ALBANIA, ALGERIA, BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS, GREECE, MIDDLE EAST, MOROCCO, ROMANIA, RUSSIA west of the Urals, TUNISIA, TURKEY, UKRAINE
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The rules concerning stopovers are
- travel may not be via the point of origin (and so by implication no stopover there)
- maximum two stopovers in the continent of origin (which for you is Asia)
- minimum two stopovers required
That's all
with regard to the LHR-DOH-LHR being flagged, an outside possibility is that this a hangover from an old, old version of the rules which restricted the number of intra-Europe/Middle East flights to/from the UK. I consider this unlikely because it would have had its own specific error message.
But it can be easily checked - simply change LHR-DOH-SYD to say CDG-DOH-SYD.
_____________________________________
FYI the old rule was removed by the update of 2016-12; its wording was:
4(h) A minimum of 3 and maximum of 16 segments, including surface segments between any 2 airports, are permitted for the entire journey.
Free flight segments within each continent are limited as follows:
Africa 4
Asia 4
Europe Middle East 4*
*not more than 2 of which may be between the UK and ALBANIA, ALGERIA, BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS, GREECE, MIDDLE EAST, MOROCCO, ROMANIA, RUSSIA west of the Urals, TUNISIA, TURKEY, UKRAINE
...
thanks for this and I knew there used to be the rule limiting no of flights between UK and Middle East and also that it had changed
I’ve tried putting in LHR-CDG-DOH-SYD and hey presto it prices up … while keeping the LHR-DXB-LHR so it seems like it is the old rule is being applied even though there is no error message saying that …
For the dates I need to travel QR are not using A380 on CDG-DOH route so no F class …
Looks like I will have to bite the bullet and call someone to get the ticket set up with the routing I want.
Any thoughts on whether AA RTW is the best option - thought at present not too able to use them for over ocean flight as their codeshare with JAL on the initial TYO ORD flight has no A class availability though I’m sure that will change.
I’ve never done any ticketing with JAL for RtWs I usually have my first flight on CX from HND to HKG in First but sadly not back in time for my travel …
As ever thanks for the help !
Nov 14, 2022, 8:21 pm
#17
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NRT / HND
Programs: AA EXP, NH Plat, Former UA 1K
Posts: 5,666
Hi
thanks for this and I knew there used to be the rule limiting no of flights between UK and Middle East and also that it had changed
I’ve tried putting in LHR-CDG-DOH-SYD and hey presto it prices up … while keeping the LHR-DXB-LHR so it seems like it is the old rule is being applied even though there is no error message saying that …
For the dates I need to travel QR are not using A380 on CDG-DOH route so no F class …
Looks like I will have to bite the bullet and call someone to get the ticket set up with the routing I want.
Any thoughts on whether AA RTW is the best option - thought at present not too able to use them for over ocean flight as their codeshare with JAL on the initial TYO ORD flight has no A class availability though I’m sure that will change.
I’ve never done any ticketing with JAL for RtWs I usually have my first flight on CX from HND to HKG in First but sadly not back in time for my travel …
As ever thanks for the help !
thanks for this and I knew there used to be the rule limiting no of flights between UK and Middle East and also that it had changed
I’ve tried putting in LHR-CDG-DOH-SYD and hey presto it prices up … while keeping the LHR-DXB-LHR so it seems like it is the old rule is being applied even though there is no error message saying that …
For the dates I need to travel QR are not using A380 on CDG-DOH route so no F class …
Looks like I will have to bite the bullet and call someone to get the ticket set up with the routing I want.
Any thoughts on whether AA RTW is the best option - thought at present not too able to use them for over ocean flight as their codeshare with JAL on the initial TYO ORD flight has no A class availability though I’m sure that will change.
I’ve never done any ticketing with JAL for RtWs I usually have my first flight on CX from HND to HKG in First but sadly not back in time for my travel …
As ever thanks for the help !