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ernestnywang Dec 16, 2020 10:26 pm


Originally Posted by lamphs (Post 32890954)
With regards to the 16 segments, say my goal was to have a stopover in Washington, DC and a stopover in Appleton, WI. The only available OW route is WAS-ORD-ATW via AA. Does this count as one segment since I am only connecting in ORD? Or is it two segments? EDIT - or maybe this counts as a 'free' flight segment?

2 segments.


Originally Posted by lamphs (Post 32890954)
Is there a tool to determine what is the best FF flyer program to credit the flights? I figure if I am going to do this, I may as well benefit with OW status with some airline.

http://www.wheretocredit.com/

Mwenenzi Dec 16, 2020 10:53 pm


Originally Posted by lamphs (Post 32890954)
....With regards to the 16 segments, say my goal was to have a stopover in Washington, DC and a stopover in Appleton, WI. The only available OW route is WAS-ORD-ATW via AA. Does this count as one segment since I am only connecting in ORD? Or is it two segments? EDIT - or maybe this counts as a 'free' flight segment?

Is there a tool to determine what is the best FF flyer program to credit the flights? I figure if I am going to do this, I may as well benefit with OW status with some airline.

Every flight number counts as a segment. As does "ground" segments

FFP's with earning based status are hard to calculate
AA has dedicated rules and also a thread in the AA subforum
Some ffp's require X flights on own airline. AA does not. X often 4

Short flights in DONE's are poor value: a waste of a segment. Usually better to buy for cash. The same segment could be used on a 5000 mile flight
Great Circle Mapper

lamphs Dec 17, 2020 3:54 am


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 32891562)


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 32891629)
Every flight number counts as a segment. As does "ground" segments

FFP's with earning based status are hard to calculate
AA has dedicated rules and also a thread in the AA subforum
Some ffp's require X flights on own airline. AA does not. X often 4

Short flights in DONE's are poor value: a waste of a segment. Usually better to buy for cash. The same segment could be used on a 5000 mile flight
Great Circle Mapper

Thanking both of you. (I wouldn't actually use this for a WAS-ATW routing...it was a quick example that came to mind because it is a regular AA route for me for business.)

pandaperth May 10, 2021 6:21 am

Minor Updates to the Wiki
 
Changed "one visit to ANC" etc to "one visit to State of Alaska" etc – see Changes to the xONEx Rule Sheet

Updated the instructions to go to the full rule sheet on the oneworld web site (they keep changing the url of the Rule Sheet - so have posted instructions on how to always go to current version)

kiwifruit Sep 3, 2021 5:21 am

US domestic flights on DONE4 fare
 
Apologies for asking a dumb question but can someone please confirm the rules regarding booking US two class domestic flights. Am I correct in assuming that on DONE4 fare one can book into A class where no business class is offered .

anabolism Sep 3, 2021 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by kiwifruit (Post 33540525)
Apologies for asking a dumb question but can someone please confirm the rules regarding booking US two class domestic flights. Am I correct in assuming that on DONE4 fare one can book into A class where no business class is offered .

Up until a few years ago, AA two-class domestic flights used first class booking codes (F/A/Z) for the premium cabin marketed as first class for domestic flights and business class for international flights. Now business class booking codes (J/D/I/C/U) are used.

The DONEx product requires booking into D on AA and AS flights.

Where are you seeing a domestic US two-class flight with A inventory?

jerry a. laska Sep 3, 2021 1:19 pm


Originally Posted by kiwifruit (Post 33540525)
Apologies for asking a dumb question but can someone please confirm the rules regarding booking US two class domestic flights. Am I correct in assuming that on DONE4 fare one can book into A class where no business class is offered .

The booking into A for 2 class flights still exists for QR intra-ME 2 class flights but as noted above is no longer available for AA and AS.
See 5(a) of the rules here:
https://assets.ctfassets.net/m9ph4qv...d-explorer.pdf

Im a new user Sep 3, 2021 2:35 pm


Originally Posted by jerry a. laska (Post 33541559)

On page 4, it says that "Ground transportation services operated by/for BA/QF may not be included as part of the oneworld Explorer." What are those ground transportation services? I have never heard of a BA or QF bus or train.

Mwenenzi Sep 3, 2021 2:49 pm

off topic (AU QF history !)


Originally Posted by Im a new user (Post 33541755)
On page 4, it says that "Ground transportation services operated by/for BA/QF may not be included as part of the oneworld Explorer." What are those ground transportation services? I have never heard of a BA or QF bus or train.

Those 2 words again from history :D :rolleyes:

anabolism Sep 3, 2021 7:51 pm


Originally Posted by Im a new user (Post 33541755)
On page 4, it says that "Ground transportation services operated by/for BA/QF may not be included as part of the oneworld Explorer." What are those ground transportation services? I have never heard of a BA or QF bus or train.

My guess would be the chauffeur service both offer or did offer at one time.

jerry a. laska Sep 3, 2021 8:22 pm

For example, see:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...-ba-first.html
https://www.qantas.com/content/dam/q...drive-faqs.pdf

kiwifruit Sep 7, 2021 8:04 pm

Many thanks to everyone replying to my earlier question, this thread is a great resource for anyone planning a one world explorer itinerary. I was also wondering if anyone has experience in what happens when schedule changes and route cancellations subsequent to ticketing require an itinerary to be changed.

I have planned a DONE4 itinerary using all 16 available sectors but it wouldn't surprise me if at least one of the city pairs I'm planning ceases to be offered as a non-stop. In this case any reroute would involve adding another sector and take me over the 16 sector threshold. In such circumstances would such a change be allowed and if so would the answer be the same regardless of whether travel had commenced or not at the time of route cancellation.

Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

anabolism Sep 7, 2021 9:13 pm


Originally Posted by kiwifruit (Post 33550931)
I have planned a DONE4 itinerary using all 16 available sectors but it wouldn't surprise me if at least one of the city pairs I'm planning ceases to be offered as a non-stop. In this case any reroute would involve adding another sector and take me over the 16 sector threshold. In such circumstances would such a change be allowed and if so would the answer be the same regardless of whether travel had commenced or not at the time of route cancellation.

This has happened to me a number of times, as it happens, always with tickets purchased on AA stock. Up until last year, there was never a problem adding more segments to work around it. If travel had not yet started, then as a work-around to be able to issue a ticket (an e-ticket can only have 16 coupons), AA deleted some segments from the middle, added new segments, and re-issued the ticket. After I'd flown enough, the deleted segments were added back and the ticket reissued. However, last year I was told that AA would not allow more than 16 segments, period, no matter why. I was allowed to pick a substitute city that still had non-stop flights, but if I did so and the original flights were restored, I was told I'd have to pay a reroute fee if I wanted to switch back. Other airlines may be more accommodating.

Im a new user Sep 8, 2021 11:57 am


Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 33551042)
However, last year I was told that AA would not allow more than 16 segments, period, no matter why. I was allowed to pick a substitute city that still had non-stop flights, but if I did so and the original flights were restored, I was told I'd have to pay a reroute fee if I wanted to switch back.

If the flights are subject to EU Regulation 261/2004, then the operating airline has to re-route the passenger. This can of course be difficult if the ticketing airline refuses to co-operate. Don't many other countries also have laws requiring airlines to re-route passengers at no cost for the passenger? I thought that United States DOT rules and Canadian rules required re-routing the passenger if at least one flight arrives to or departs from the United States or Canada.

What happens if you do nothing and just show up at the airport in time for the cancelled flight?

anabolism Sep 8, 2021 1:07 pm


Originally Posted by Im a new user (Post 33552649)
If the flights are subject to EU Regulation 261/2004, then the operating airline has to re-route the passenger. This can of course be difficult if the ticketing airline refuses to co-operate.

My understanding is that for airlines not based in the E.U., this only applies for flights departing from the EU.


Originally Posted by Im a new user (Post 33552649)
Don't many other countries also have laws requiring airlines to re-route passengers at no cost for the passenger? I thought that United States DOT rules and Canadian rules required re-routing the passenger if at least one flight arrives to or departs from the United States or Canada.

The US DOT requirement is that the passenger be offered alternative flights or a refund.


Originally Posted by Im a new user (Post 33552649)
What happens if you do nothing and just show up at the airport in time for the cancelled flight?

Since you don't hold a confirmed, ticketed reservation on a flight, you wouldn't get a BP. The check-in agent would probably explain that your flight was cancelled and suggest you call your airline.

In the old days, the airline that cancelled (or changed) a flight might take over the ticket and make changes for you, but willingness to do so has declined significantly in the past five or so years.


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