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MiamiPrep Feb 10, 2019 8:14 pm
D Inventory Available for 2 Segments But Not as Connection
 
I have routing LAX-JFK-MIA on 4/15/19 for DONE04. There is D availability on each of the 2 flights individually, but AA says it is booked as a connection and there is no D for JFK-MIA (even though EF shows D3). Is this something new? Any ideas how to get the segments to 'force'? For now I'm in Y JFK-MIA. (AA is correct. On EF I entered LAX-MIA with connection in JFK, and there is D0).

Kiwi Flyer Feb 10, 2019 11:05 pm
That is married segment logic. Long used by airlines to manage inventory and increase yields.

anc305 Feb 11, 2019 6:40 am
Originally Posted by MiamiPrep (Post 30762924)
I have routing LAX-JFK-MIA on 4/15/19 for DONE04. There is D availability on each of the 2 flights individually, but AA says it is booked as a connection and there is no D for JFK-MIA (even though EF shows D3). Is this something new? Any ideas how to get the segments to 'force'? For now I'm in Y JFK-MIA. (AA is correct. On EF I entered LAX-MIA with connection in JFK, and there is D0).
I have had this problem before and was able to re-book them individually. Just ask them to do a point to point.

serfty Feb 11, 2019 12:21 pm
Originally Posted by anc305 (Post 30764119)
I have had this problem before and was able to re-book them individually. Just ask them to do a point to point.
... or have a > 24 hour layover in NYC.

Note that this may increase the +++ and introduce and additional cost in staying > 24 hours in New York.

skunker Feb 11, 2019 1:57 pm
Originally Posted by MiamiPrep (Post 30762924)
I have routing LAX-JFK-MIA on 4/15/19 for DONE04. There is D availability on each of the 2 flights individually, but AA says it is booked as a connection and there is no D for JFK-MIA (even though EF shows D3). Is this something new? Any ideas how to get the segments to 'force'? For now I'm in Y JFK-MIA. (AA is correct. On EF I entered LAX-MIA with connection in JFK, and there is D0).
As others have stated new AA has been doing more and more of this. I had it happen on a DONE earlier this year for SAN-PHX-LAX-JFK. I had to book PHX-LAX in L, but got the EXP upgrade 7 days out.

EDIT: What is your next stop after MIA? Maybe get a codeshare on that JFK-MIA leg.

MiamiPrep Feb 12, 2019 6:14 pm
Book As Point-To-Point
 
Originally Posted by anc305 (Post 30764119)
I have had this problem before and was able to re-book them individually. Just ask them to do a point to point.
I have called 3 different agents on 3 different dates trying to get them to 'force' the point-to-point segments. Computer won't let them do it. I'm pretty sure one of the older RTW agents could make it happen, but they all seem to be gone since they combined departments.
My next flight from MIA is DFW-LHR.

allset2travel Feb 12, 2019 10:35 pm
Originally Posted by MiamiPrep (Post 30762924)
I have routing LAX-JFK-MIA on 4/15/19 for DONE04. There is D availability on each of the 2 flights individually, but AA says it is booked as a connection and there is no D for JFK-MIA (even though EF shows D3). Is this something new? Any ideas how to get the segments to 'force'? For now I'm in Y JFK-MIA. (AA is correct. On EF I entered LAX-MIA with connection in JFK, and there is D0).
Try HUCA. Good luck!

anabolism Feb 13, 2019 4:45 am
You may not be able to get any AA agent to book it the way you want, since they are increasingly monitored about not breaking rules, and the tools they are forced to use won't let them bypass such things. You can try asking them to book flights with six hours in JFK, since on a domestic set of flights, that should be sufficient to be a stop and not a connection. Or you could try adding an extra connection (e.g., JFK-DFW-MIA) and when you get to JFK, ask them to reroute you on a nonstop JFK-MIA.

Reality_Czech Feb 13, 2019 5:40 am
Originally Posted by anc305 (Post 30764119)
I have had this problem before and was able to re-book them individually. Just ask them to do a point to point.
With true married sector logic, it's not always this simple. When you hold LAX-JFK in D class, the system will close out inventory in D class (and often in all fare buckets) when you then bring up availability for JFK-MIA.

Depending on itinerary, could you use codeshares? Where are you travelling from prior to LAX and onwards from MIA? For example, if you were coming into LAX from SYD or HKG with QF/CX, those airlines *might* have a codeshare on LAX-JFK which could be valid even if you have a stop >24hrs in LAX. Or, if you are doing MIA-LHR with BA or MIA-SCL with LA, they'll possibly have their code on JFK-MIA. The married sector logic will typically fall apart when it involves other airlines as AA's system will read it as LAX-QF-JFK-AA-MIA.

Other partnerships like AF/KL have a more robust/sophisticated married sector logic which gives little difference if trying to mix AF/KL codeshares.

anc305 Feb 13, 2019 8:23 am
Originally Posted by Reality_Czech (Post 30772907)
With true married sector logic, it's not always this simple. When you hold LAX-JFK in D class, the system will close out inventory in D class (and often in all fare buckets) when you then bring up availability for JFK-MIA.

Depending on itinerary, could you use codeshares? Where are you travelling from prior to LAX and onwards from MIA? For example, if you were coming into LAX from SYD or HKG with QF/CX, those airlines *might* have a codeshare on LAX-JFK which could be valid even if you have a stop >24hrs in LAX. Or, if you are doing MIA-LHR with BA or MIA-SCL with LA, they'll possibly have their code on JFK-MIA. The married sector logic will typically fall apart when it involves other airlines as AA's system will read it as LAX-QF-JFK-AA-MIA.

Other partnerships like AF/KL have a more robust/sophisticated married sector logic which gives little difference if trying to mix AF/KL codeshares.
I understand married segment logic but not for the *ONE product. If all else fails try to book a stop at JFK , and then call back and change to your preferred MIA flight.

anabolism Feb 13, 2019 9:05 am
Originally Posted by Reality_Czech (Post 30772907)
Depending on itinerary, could you use codeshares? Where are you travelling from prior to LAX and onwards from MIA? For example, if you were coming into LAX from SYD or HKG with QF/CX, those airlines *might* have a codeshare on LAX-JFK which could be valid even if you have a stop >24hrs in LAX. Or, if you are doing MIA-LHR with BA or MIA-SCL with LA, they'll possibly have their code on JFK-MIA. The married sector logic will typically fall apart when it involves other airlines as AA's system will read it as LAX-QF-JFK-AA-MIA
Codeshares might be an option, depending on if the OP has an overseas connection at either end of LAX-JFK-MIA, but I didn't suggest it in my post because the OP wrote "AA says...." which implies the OP is booking with AA. I've been told by AA agents that they are unable to see codeshares for AA metal and hence unable to book them. If the OP is using a TA, then the TA should be able to try codes.

Reality_Czech Feb 13, 2019 11:39 am
Originally Posted by anc305 (Post 30773447)
I understand married segment logic but not for the *ONE product. If all else fails try to book a stop at JFK , and then call back and change to your preferred MIA flight.
Same has been known to happen with reward inventory (QR, I think) where married sector logic makes no sense. Unfortunately, there's no way to tell the system that you are booking a certain type of product when requesting availability.

In all likelihood, if AA wants to restrict D class on this specific LAX-JFK-MIA connection for whatever reason, I'm not sure they would want to exclude a DONEx as they are less likely to be super high yielding.

Reality_Czech Feb 13, 2019 11:40 am
Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 30773611)
I've been told by AA agents that they are unable to see codeshares for AA metal and hence unable to book them.
Oh well. This is more a case of AA not wanting to look at codeshares rather than being unable.

anabolism Feb 13, 2019 2:58 pm
Originally Posted by Reality_Czech (Post 30774243)


Oh well. This is more a case of AA not wanting to look at codeshares rather than being unable.
I'm not sure what your point is; my understanding is that AA has set their systems to not even show codeshares on AA metal to their reservations agents.

checkerboard Feb 13, 2019 8:19 pm
Have you tried asking them to put you on the waitlist for "D" on the flights you want? Even if the inventory isn't available for immediate sale - a wait-list request might clear relatively quickly...

anabolism May 3, 2019 6:02 pm
It's a bit late now, so likely moot, but on the off chance the OP hasn't yet flown, one thing to try would be to call overseas AA desks and see if they can book it.

Dr. HFH May 3, 2019 8:05 pm
Originally Posted by skunker (Post 30765935)
Maybe get a codeshare on that JFK-MIA leg.
With the added benefit of higher EQDs.

UserMark May 6, 2019 10:54 am
And RTW tickets can have flights in different record locators, right?

Dr. HFH May 6, 2019 11:47 am
Originally Posted by UserMark (Post 31072758)
And RTW tickets can have flights in different record locators, right?
I don't think so, other than for additional flights with additional fare, i.e., not included in the RTW fare calculation.

pandaperth May 6, 2019 12:46 pm
Originally Posted by UserMark (Post 31072758)
And RTW tickets can have flights in different record locators, right?
Maybe. If the various flights are on airlines that use a different booking system than the issuing carrier.
The issuing carrier's record locator will show all the flights in the itinerary.
Other record locators will typically only show a sub-set of the flights.
Often you'll want to know these other locators in order to be able to choose seats on those flights.

For example, my last RTW (in 2017/2018) had:
  • the issuing carrier's locator (AA was the issuing carrier)
  • a separate record locator for the QR, UL, CX, QF, and BA flights
  • another one for the sole IB flight, and
  • after I did a re-route to include some LA flights, yet another locator for those flights

jerry a. laska May 6, 2019 12:50 pm
Originally Posted by UserMark (Post 31072758)
And RTW tickets can have flights in different record locators, right?
Also, I'm not sure what this has to do with married segment availability.

Dr. HFH May 6, 2019 8:19 pm
Originally Posted by UserMark (Post 31072758)
And RTW tickets can have flights in different record locators, right?
Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 31072950)
I don't think so, other than for additional flights with additional fare, i.e., not included in the RTW fare calculation.
Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 31073156)
Maybe. If the various flights are on airlines that use a different booking system than the issuing carrier.
The issuing carrier's record locator will show all the flights in the itinerary.
Other record locators will typically only show a sub-set of the flights.
Often you'll want to know these other locators in order to be able to choose seats on those flights.

For example, my last RTW (in 2017/2018) had:
  • the issuing carrier's locator (AA was the issuing carrier)
  • a separate record locator for the QR, UL, CX, QF, and BA flights
  • another one for the sole IB flight, and
  • after I did a re-route to include some LA flights, yet another locator for those flights
Yes, of course. I interpreted UserMark's question to be about combining separate PNRs into one RTW ticket after they had already been booked. As pandaperth said, some airlines set up their own PNRs for the parts of the itinerary that are relevant to them. You can ask the booking/plating carrier for all the PNR codes associated with your itinerary.

UserMark May 7, 2019 9:39 am
Originally Posted by jerry a. laska (Post 31073173)
Also, I'm not sure what this has to do with married segment availability.
If the 2 different flights have the availability by themselves, but not when married, then you can just put them in 2 separate locators. If this is allowed.

pandaperth May 7, 2019 9:46 am
Originally Posted by UserMark (Post 31076036)
If the 2 different flights have the availability by themselves, but not when married, then you can just put them in 2 separate locators. If this is allowed.
I don't think that would work, because
  • married segment logic is only used by a single airline controlling access to its own inventory
  • all the segments for one airline will be in one record locator
  • you, as the passenger do not get to choose which locator a flight goes into (the 'system' does this)
  • all segments are entered by the ticketing carrier, and any married segment issues will/should arise during the initial ticketing

christep May 7, 2019 9:48 am
I'm a bit out of touch here, but can't a good Travel Agent deal with all of this? In the (distant) past I have had OWEs with many different PNRs.

jerry a. laska May 7, 2019 10:02 am
Originally Posted by UserMark (Post 31076036)
If the 2 different flights have the availability by themselves, but not when married, then you can just put them in 2 separate locators. If this is allowed.
I don't see how that would work for all the reasons listed by pandaperth especially as both segments are on one airline (in this case AA) as married segments will always be.

serfty May 7, 2019 9:53 pm
You can have multiple segments (or none) in one ticket.

You can have multiple tickets (or none) in one PNR.

A good TA will know how to use these things ...

anabolism May 8, 2019 4:34 pm
Originally Posted by UserMark (Post 31076036)
If the 2 different flights have the availability by themselves, but not when married, then you can just put them in 2 separate locators. If this is allowed.
It's not a question of being allowed or prohibited, it's a matter of how the GDS and airline systems are implemented. An itinerary, such as an RTW, is constructed in one record/PNR/locator. Additional PNRs are often created automatically for other airlines, but these are subsets of the prime PNR, and they are limited-changes PNRs. You can't create multiple PNRs and then combine them into one ticket, there is no mechanism for that.

Originally Posted by christep (Post 31076070)
I'm a bit out of touch here, but can't a good Travel Agent deal with all of this? In the (distant) past I have had OWEs with many different PNRs.
As mentioned, there are often multiple PNRs for one RTW, but only one is the prime or master PNR. That's the one that contains all flights, and that's the one used to issue the ticket. Additional PNRs are automatically created for operational reasons to allow other airlines to see and manage their own flights (e.g., seat assignments).

Originally Posted by serfty (Post 31078172)
You can have multiple segments (or none) in one ticket.

You can have multiple tickets (or none) in one PNR.

A good TA will know how to use these things ...
Yes, but none of this is a way around married-segment issues. You can't combine separate PNRs and issue one ticket out of all of them. There is no way to do it. You can of course issue multiple tickets out of one PNR, but that does not provide a way around married segments.

serfty May 8, 2019 5:23 pm
Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 31081198)
...
Yes, but none of this is a way around married-segment issues. ... You can of course issue multiple tickets out of one PNR, but that does not provide a way around married segments.
OK :)

anabolism May 8, 2019 7:44 pm
I don't want to misstate anything. If you only care about booking two flights that can't be booked in the same PNR because of married segment logic, of course you can book each in its own PNR and on its own ticket. But that doesn't help when you want both to be part of an RTW, which I thought was the what was being discussed. If you want, say, an RTW that includes ...LHR-LAX-JFK-MIA-EZE... but you can't book LAX-JFK-MIA as a connection, you could book JFK-MIA in its own PNR and on its own ticket, and have a ground segmentJFK-MIA in the RTW, but then you're paying extra for JFK-MIA.

christep May 8, 2019 9:29 pm
Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 31081198)
You can't create multiple PNRs and then combine them into one ticket, there is no mechanism for that.
I know we have a few TAs in this forum. Could one of them confirm that this is indeed no longer possible? My TAs did it for me many times in the past.

Dr. HFH May 8, 2019 10:21 pm
Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 31081198)
You can't combine separate PNRs and issue one ticket out of all of them.
Originally Posted by christep (Post 31081877)
I know we have a few TAs in this forum. Could one of them confirm that this is indeed no longer possible? My TAs did it for me many times in the past.
To be clear, I believe that anabolism is talking only about a specific OneWorld RTW product, xONEx fared tickets. On other, regular tickets, yes, this can be done. But I'm fairly certain that it was never a possibility for xONEx tickets in OneWorld.

christep May 9, 2019 1:16 am
I'm only talking about OWEs. I am 100% sure that it was possible - my TA used do it all the time. But this was quite a few years ago now.

serfty May 9, 2019 1:49 am
Back in the pre e-ticket days, a physical ticket was a booklet with 4 vouchers. Each booklet had it's own ticket number.

Your 20 segment xONEx would be comprised of 5 such books of vouchers, often presented stapled together. The five 'tickets' would be recorded in the GDS's under the one PNR.

So 'Many (tickets) to one (PNR)'. I didn't think it could be done the other way.

christep May 9, 2019 3:45 am
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Dr. HFH May 9, 2019 4:05 am
Originally Posted by serfty (Post 31082373)
Back in the pre e-ticket days, a physical ticket was a booklet with 4 vouchers. Each booklet had it's own ticket number.

Your 20 segment xONEx would be comprised of 5 such books of vouchers, often presented stapled together. The five 'tickets' would be recorded in the GDS's under the one PNR.
IIRC only four physical tickets could be put together in one itinerary, thus the 16 segment limit.

pandaperth May 9, 2019 5:02 am
Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 31082573)
IIRC only four physical tickets could be put together in one itinerary, thus the 16 segment limit.
4 tickets, and thus 16 segments is the maximum allowed NOW (and has been for some years)

But from the OWE rule sheet of Dec-2007 (yes I have a copy!)
A minimum of 3 and a maximum of 20 segments, including surface segments, are permitted for the entire journey.
And, IIRC, someone once posted that s/he had a 24 segment itinerary

christep May 9, 2019 5:04 am
Edit. It was certainly possible to have 20 segments, but I thought I recalledl more being possible. The oldest rule sheet I can immediately find is 2006, which had the 20 limit. And that was flight segments.

The 16 segment thing (including surface segments) was imposed by the "enhancement" of e-ticketing. Once e-ticketing arrived there was an overlapping period where paper tickets could also be issued, but then they could only be 16 segments (so there was no advantage to paper ticketing).

christep May 9, 2019 5:17 am
OK, here you go - the *STAR file from 1999 for OWE. There was no segment limit that I can see beyond the 6 in NA, 4 in each other continent, and you could purchase up to 2 extra segments in each continent except the origin. So in principle such a xONE6 ticket could contain 42 segments, perhaps with 3 more if you utilised the two continental entry exceptions..

** UNIVERSAL STAR
** U STAR ID - OW EXPLORER
0S ONEWORLD RTW EXPLORER FARE
1N . ** FOR INFORMATION ON THIS FARE PLEASE CALL THE
2N . AROUND THE WORLD DESK AT 1-800-247-3247 **
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12N SEASONS N*/OW EXPLORER1
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14N RULES NOT APPLICABLE/COMBINE N*/OW EXPLORER1
15N FARES/SURCHARGES/OPTIONS N*/OW FARES INDEX
16N .
17N FARE BASIS/ AONE*/DONE*/MHONE*/MLONE*
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19N GOV RULE/ 3015 TEXT MENU RWR1
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21N .
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28N . *TRAVEL NOT PERMITTED ON CX FLTS BETWEEN
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30N . **EFF FOR TICKETS ISSUED ON/AFTER 06JUN02
31N . DI CANCELLED.
32N . - OTHER CODESHARE SERVICES NOT PERMITTED.
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45N .
46N MIN STAY/ TRAVEL FROM THE LAST POINT OUTSIDE THE
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51N . - FIRST/BUSINESS CLASS NONE
52N . - ECONOMY CLASS 7 DAYS
53N . **EXCEPTION: ORIGIN EUROPE
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56N . THAN 10 DAYS AFTER THE FIRST
57N . INTERCONTINENTAL SEGMENT
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62N .
63N MAX STAY/ 12MONTHS
64N .
65N RES/ 1. RESERVATIONS FOR THE 1ST INTL FLT AND
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67N . FOLLOWS -
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73N . DEPARTURE OF THE FIRST FLIGHT.
74N . ORIGIN AREA 2/3 - ANYTIME UP TO 1HR
75N . PRIOR TO DEPARTURE OF THE FIRST FLIGHT.
76N . 2. TKTS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE TKT STOCK
77N . OF AA/AY/BA/CX/DI**/EI/IB/LA/LP/QF.
78N . **EFFECTIVE FOR TICKETS ISSUED ON/AFTER
79N . 01JUN02 DI CANCELLED.
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85N . DI CANCELLED.
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91N .
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154N . DIRECT SINGLE PLANE SERVICE BETWEEN
155N . THE SOUTHWEST PACIFIC AND EUROPE.
156N . - 2 PERMITTED IN EUROPE TO/FROM/VIA
157N . GHANA/NIGERIA. 1 MUST BE A TRANSIT
158N . WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN GHANA/
159N . NIGERIA AND ANOTHER CONTINENT.
160N . 4. 1 INTL DEPARTURE AND 1 INTL ARRIVAL
161N . FROM/TO THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN PERMITTED
162N . EXCEPT AS FOLLOWS.
163N . - ORIGIN AUSTRALIA - 2 PERMITTED.
164N . 1 ARRIVAL-DEPARTURE MUST BE A TRANSIT
165N . WITHOUT STOPOVER IN CONJUNCTION WITH
166N . TRAVEL TO PAPUA NEW GUINEA.
167N . - ORIGIN USA - 2 PERMITTED.
168N . 1 ARRIVAL-DEPARTURE MUST BE A TRANSIT
169N . WITHOUT STOPOVER.
170N . NOTE: TRAVEL BTWN US/CA IS NOT COUNTED AS
171N . INTERNATIONAL DEPARTURE/ARRIVAL.
172N . 5. TRAVEL BETWEEN AUSTRALIA AND EUROPE
173N . ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER IS CONSIDERED
174N . TRAVEL THROUGH 3 CONTINENTS.
175N . SW PACIFIC-ASIA-EUROPE
176N . 6. WITHIN THE US/CANADA -
177N . A.1 NONSTOP OR SINGLE PLANE TRANSCON FLT
178N . PERMITTED. TRANSCONTINENTAL FLIGHT IS
179N . DEFINED AS TRAVEL BETWEEN THE
180N . FOLLOWING CITIES:
181N 0 BWI/BOS/FLL/BDL/ LAS/LGB/LAX/OAK/
182N . MIA/EWR/NYC/ORL/- AND -SNA/PDX/SAN/SEA/
183N . PHL/SJU/YYZ/WAS SFO/SJC/YVR
184N . B.ONLY 1 FLIGHT TO ANC AND 1 FLIGHT FROM
185N . ANC PERMITTED.
186N . 7. WITHIN AUSTRALIA - 1 NONSTOP OR
187N . SINGLE PLANE FLIGHT PERMITTED BETWEEN
188N . THE FOLLOWING POINTS:
189N . BNE/CNS/SYD-PER
190N . MEL/SYD-DRW
191N . EXCEPTION - NO RESTRICTION BETWEEN
192N . SYD-PER WHEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH
193N . TRAVEL TO/FROM AFRICA
194N . 8. INTERMEDIATE SURFACE SEGMENTS PERMITTED
195N . 9. UNLIMITED ONLINE/INTERLINE TRANSFERS
196N . PERMITTED BETWEEN PARTICIPATING CXRS
197N FHTML 15APR02 7TI7 27JAN99 2583 * END OF STAR DATA *

** UNIVERSAL STAR ** U STAR ID - OW EXPLORER1 0S ONEWORLD CT/RTW EXPLORER FARE
1N .
2N . ** FOR INFORMATION ON THIS FARE PLEASE CALL THE
3N . AROUND THE WORLD DESK AT 1-800-247-3247 **
4N .
5N . ************************
6N .
7N . (CONTINUED FROM N*/OW EXPLORER)
8N . INDEX LINES
9N .
10N BAGGAGE 155-156
11N COMBINE 21
12N CHANGES 23-69
13N CANCELLATION/REFUND 70-97
14N UPGRADE 98-129
15N CHILDREN/INFANT DISCOUNTS 130-146
16N RULE NOT APPLIC/ 147-154
17N .
18N .
19N COMBINE/ NONE PERMITTED.
20N .
21N CHANGES/ NOTE -
22N . FARES TICKETED AND ORIGINALY ISSUED
23N . ON/BEFORE 31MAY02 AND REISSUED ON/AFTER
24N . 01JUN02 MAY INCLUDE SECTORS FLOWN ON DI.
25N .
26N . 1.PRIOR TO DEPARTURE
27N . TRAVEL ORIGINATING AREA 1 -
28N . - BEFORE TKT DEADLINE - PERMITTED WITHOUT
29N . PENALTY. CHANGES TO THE 1ST INTL FLT OR
30N . PRECEDING FLTS REQUIRE TKT REISSUE.
31N . - AFTER TKT DEADLINE - CHANGES TO THE
32N . 1ST INTL FLT AND PRECEDING FLTS ARE NOT
33N . PERMITTED. DATE/TIME CHANGES TO OTHER
34N . FLTS PERMITTED AT NO CHARGE. TKT MUST
35N . BE REISSUED.
36N . - CHANGES OTHER THAN DATE/TIME PERMITTED
37N . FOR USD75 PER TRANSACTION. IF THE
38N . CURRENCY OF TICKET ORIGIN IS NOT USD,
39N . CONVERT THE USD AMOUNT AT THE BSR.
40N . TKT MUST BE REISSUED.
41N . - CERTIFIED DEATH/ILLNESS OF PSGR, PSGRS
42N . IMMEDIATE FAMILY OR ACCOMPANYING PSGR,
43N . REROUTING PERMITTED FREE.
44N . TRAVEL ORIGINATING AREA 2/3
45N . UNLIMITED CHANGES PERMITTED WITHOUT CHARGE.
46N .
47N . 2. AFTER DEPARTURE -
48N . - DAY/TIME PERMITTED AT NO CHARGE. ALL
49N . OTHER ROUTING CHANGES PERMITTED AT
50N . USD75. IF CURRENCY OF TICKET ORIGIN IS
51N . NOT USD, CONVERT THE USD AMOUNT AT THE BSR.
52N . - NUMBER OF CONTINENTS/EXTRA FLT SEGMENTS
53N . MAY BE INCREASED/DECREASED. PSGR WILL BE
54N . CHARGED/REFUNDED ACCORDINGLY.
55N . NOTE:
56N . IF THE CHANGE RESULTS IN A REFUND, AN
57N . MCO WILL BE ISSUED FOR REFUND IN THE
58N . COUNTRY OF SALE. ANY APPLICABLE CHANGE
59N . FEE WILL APPLY.
60N . - CERTIFIED DEATH/ILLNESS OF PSGR, PSGRS
61N . IMMEDIATE FAMILY OR ACCOMPANYING PSGR,
62N . REROUTING PERMITTED FREE.
63N .
64N . 3. AT ANY TIME
65N . - IF CURRENCY OF COUNTRY OF TKT ORIGIN IS
66N . NOT SHOWN, CONVERT USD AMOUNT AT THE BSR
67N .
68N CXLN/ 1. PRIOR TO DEPARTURE
69N REFUND - BEFORE TKT DEADLINE - FULL REFUND
70N . - AFTER TKT DEADLINE
71N . ORIGIN AREA 1 - PENALTY 10 0/0 OF THE
72N . TKTD AMOUNT
73N . ORIGIN AREA 2/3 - NO PENALTY.
74N . - IN THE EVENT OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS/ENTRY
75N . PERMIT/VISA ARE DENIED - FULL REFUND
76N . PROVIDED OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION FROM THE
77N . APPROVED AUTHORITY IS PRODUCED AND
78N . ATTACHED TO THE REFUND REQUEST.
79N .
80N . 2. AFTER DEPARTURE
81N . - 10 0/0 OF TKTD AMOUNT
82N . EXCEPTION 1 -
83N . ORIGIN SW PACIFIC - NO PENALTY
84N . EXCEPTION 2 -
85N . ORIGIN JAPAN - JPY50000 OR 10 0/0
86N . OF TKT AMT WHICHEVER IS LOWER
87N . - PARTIALLY USED TRANSPORTATION - THE
88N . REFUND IF ANY, WILL BE THE DIFFERENCE
89N . BETWEEN THE FARE PAID AND THE FARE FOR
90N . THE TRANSPORTATION USED LESS THE PENALTY
91N . SPECIFIED ABOVE.
92N . - CERTIFIED DEATH/ILLNESS OF PSGR OR
93N . PSGRS IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER OR
94N . ACOMPANYING PSGR - NO PENALTY
95N .
96N UPGRADE AT ANY TIME
97N . - ANY ECONOMY OW EXPLORER FARE MAY BE
98N . UPGRADED TO FIRST/BUSINESS CLASS
99N . OW EXPLORER FARE WITHOUT PENALTY
100N . - BUSINESS OW EXPLORER FARE MAY BE
101N . UPGRADED TO A FIRST CLASS EXPLORER
102N . FARE WITHOUT PENALTY.
103N . - AADVANTAGE UPGRADE AWARDS PERMITTED ON AA
104N . SECTORS USING AA AWARDS ONLY. (UPGRADES
105N . ON OA PARTNER SECTORS NOT ALLOWED.)
106N . - STICKER UPGRADES ALLOWED ON US DOMESTIC
107N . AND US/CANADA TRANSBORDER SEGMENTS ONLY.
108N . - UPGRADE TO NORMAL ATW FARE CONSTRUCTION
109N . PERMITTED ANY TIME. REISSUED TKTS MUST
110N . BE ENDORSED --NON-REF/XXX
111N . (XXX = OW EXPLORER FARE BASIS CODE)
112N . THE ORIGINAL NONREFUNDABLE AMOUNT
113N . REMAINS NONREFUNDABLE. IF THE UPGRADED
114N . TKT IS SUBSEQUENTLY CANCELLED, THE
115N . ORIGINAL PENALTY WILL APPLY.
116N . - OW EXPLORER FARE MAY BE USED AS CREDIT
117N . TOWARDS PAYMENT OF ANY HIGHER FARE
118N . TYPE FROM THE POINT OF ORIGIN PROVIDED
119N . THE RULES OF THE HIGHER FARE TYPE HAVE
120N . BEEN MET. REISSUED TKTS MUST BE ENDORSED
121N . -- NON-REF/XXX --
122N . (XXX = OW EXPLORER FARE BASIS CODE)
123N . THE ORIGINAL NONREFUNDABLE AMOUNT
124N . REMAINS NONREFUNDABLE. IF THE UPGRADED
125N . TKT IS SUBSEQUENTLY CANCELLED, THE
126N . ORIGINAL PENALTY WILL APPLY.
127N .
128N CHILD/ 1. ACCOMPANIED AGES 2-11YRS
129N . 75 0/0 OF THE APPLICABLE ADULT FARE
130N . EXCEPTION - FOR TRAVEL ORIGIN INDIA
131N . 67 0/0 IF THE APPLICABLE ADULT FARE
132N . 2. UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN NOT ACCEPTED
133N . 3. TICKET CODE - ADULT FARE BASIS PLUS CH
134N . 4. CHILDREN DISCOUNTS DOES NOT APPLY TO
135N . THE CONCORDE OR WORLD TRAVELLER PLUS
136N . SURCHARGES
137N .
138N INFANT/ 1. UNDER 2YRS WITHOUT A SEAT
139N . 10 0/0 OF THE APPLICABLE ADULT FARE
140N . 2. TICKET CODE - ADULT FARE BASIS PLUS IN
141N . 3. INFANT DISCOUNTS DO NOT APPLY TO
142N . THE CONCORDE OR WORLD TRAVELLER PLUS
143N . SURCHARGES
144N .
145N RULES NOT/ - FREE/REDUCED RATE TRANSPORTATION FOR
146N APPLIC/ AGENTS AND TOUR CONDUCTORS
147N . - AA RULE 755 - SENIOR SAAVERS CLUB
148N . - AA RULE 1810 - SENIOR CITIZEN DISCOUNT
149N .
150N .GROUPS - GROUP TRAVEL USING THESE FARES IS
151N . NOT PERMITTED
152N . 153N .BAGGAGE - THE PIECE SYSTEM APPLIES TO PASSENGERS
154N . TRAVELING ON THIS FARE
155N .
156N FHTML 15APR02 7TI7 28JAN99 616
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ernestnywang May 9, 2019 5:33 am
Originally Posted by serfty (Post 31078172)
You can have multiple segments (or none) in one ticket.

You can have multiple tickets (or none) in one PNR.

A good TA will know how to use these things ...
How do you have no segment in one ticket? I don't get it...


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