Youre right it does, but keep in mind that it's business and coach class only on that direct route.

You know, an up-to-date oneworld route map would do wonders for planning - not just what benoit has in mind. But this would be one huge map to ensure legibility. bedelman, sounds like you've got a decent software background - could you whip something like this up? Oh, and while you're at it a display of mileage per route would be nice!

While you're at it, can you add JAL and Malev to your map. That is, of course, after you negotiate their entry to Oneworld. Oh, and if you have time, cook me up a supermodel for this weekend. Kelly LeBrock is past her prime, but I will trust your judgment.

Please don't ask for a long explanation as to why I have this on my laptop. (Or more why I have only HALF of it on my laptop!)

Here is half of the answer for AA. I'll post the other half when I get home, since I know it's on the other computer. This is the side effect of trying to cut segments out of a ONE4, and not end up spending extra time in gateway cities. I like DFW, but why fly NYC-DFW-MEX when you can fly NYC-DFW-FAT-DFW-MEX, see, Fresno for no good reason, and have it only count as two segments?

This is based on quick scans, bad OCR, and really really sloppy programming. No promises: it may be wrong, it may not work, it may cause harm to your unborn children. This is from the MAY 1 AA timetable, and reflects schedule changes that take place in June, which results in single flight numbers having two destinations.

Here goes, Albuquerque to New Orleans. All flights are AA coded, origin listed first, destinations listed with flight number, aka

pus
nrt7264

shows AA7264 from Busan to Tokyo. No control has been made for code shares.

abq
bos2064
dca1786
ewr402
fll2056
jfk1796
msy1712
okc1892

anu
phl1130
tpa1130

aua
atl1298
dca1872
iad1884
tpa634

asu
mia906

atl
abq3097
aus2805
den573
dsm3047
fat631
hpn1484
lit3179
lit3037
mci2245
mci3143
msp756
okc1076
phx1039
sat443
sat2983
sjc2499
sxm687
tgu953
tus1185
tus817
yul744
yyz564

aus
bdl578
box1496
bos1940
bur1325
cle3076
clt1718
jax1872
jfk1806
las855
lga1436
lga1454
lgb2405
msp2812
nrt61
oma318
phl360
rdu3036
san405
sfo1731
sjc2449
tus2017

bwi
abq593
aua1331
dsm2871
dub7972
lax2363
lit3173
mci3117
mex571
pdx1807
sal925
sfo539
sfo637
slc2847
stt1785

bgi
ewr984
mco984

pek
lax7951

bze
iad2194
iah2104

cnf
dfw962

bhm
iah1687
mty697

bmi
mem5467

bog
mco916

bos
abq2815
bog915
den1021
dub7978
las1873
las1333
las1237
lax1891
lax1559
msy471
ogg161
pap1291
phx1061
phx1283
sat1855
sea1541
sjc505
sjo989
smf2823
sna1025

eze
dfw908

bur
bna782
cmh1432

clo
ewr920

cun
bos1604
bwi2192
dca2126
lax1108
phx1760
tpa2126

ccs
dfw902

cid
ict5659

clt
cos1361
elp1695
oak1259
sfo1607
smf1765
smf1951
yvr395

ord
mqt4332
ogg97
snn7976

cle
cos2833
dsm3047
msp2965
okc2819
pdx2985
san3155
sat3137
tul2841

cos
atl528
dca3010
mia3098
rdu1510
sat1314

cmh
iad4044
lit3033
mex1111
msy1195
oma2943
pdx2977
pdx2919
sea3167
slc3005
tvc4154
ybr395

cgb
gru7663

cur
bdl1880
iad1880

dfw
bdl494
cnf963
eze909
gig905
lhr90
lhr66
mad68
rsw888
stt671

day
gsp4099

den
atl316
bwi3190
dca2904
fll2958
fll3020
iad1846
iad3028
mco1415
pls625
tpa1122

dsm
bdl2976
bhm376
bwi2906
cmh3168
iad3154
mdt4293
phl2804
sgf5722

dtw
atl425
bna519
gcm1029
hsv1902
iah851
lax453
mco1523
msp1623
msp2895
sat2849
sjc2451
sjc3169
smf3153
sna1475
stx695
xna1721

dub
bos7979
bwi7973
jfk7983
jfk7975

elp
bdl320
bna1788
bos696
ind1210
lga370

evv
fsm5505

xna
dca1730
dca1988
ewr1094
grr4033
hpn1288
yyz798

fll
den1155
lax2855
san1501
sfo2867
yyc2642

rsw
nas5078
nas5076
slc1985

fsm
evv5512

fwa
okc4058

fat
jfk1806
mex403
oma2006

gcm
dtw1018
msy1746

grb
cmh4200

gdl
msy1040
msy574
phl574
san1040

gua
dtw928
iad2128
iah2196
mco940

mdt
cid4265

bdl
aus1493
oak1463
oma3123
phx1593
phx3053
pls673
pty2131
san685
san1645
sat413
sat541
sfo1575
sxm1937

hel
man6191

ito
lih7887

hkg
jfk6124
pen6105

iah
atl812
bhm1848
box356
bwi410
dca1570
dsm1212
dtw1160
ewr2030
ewr1094
gua927
gua2195
hpn1484
ind1946
lga336
mci1278
mco1096
mem1534
mli5685
msp1238
ont1801
pty959
yul1020
yyz1956

hsv
abq1171
mty1031

igu
gig7688

ind
lgb1709
lit3175
mia3002
oak1705
pvr323
slc2829
smf2823
smf1957

jax
elp1079
sat479

mci
bdl2976
bos2900
bwi2902
cmh3168
ewr1328
iah686
mia652
pvd600
pvd1948
rno741
sea1395
slc419
sna1627
tpa2944

tys
pit4153

koa
lih7881
lih7947
lih7862
lih7869

lpb
mia922

lrm
iah274
phl274

las
atl1870
bos1136
bwi3126
cun1625
dca1640
fll3110
iad2862
lga766
mco1694
mco2048
nrt129
oma870
tpa508

bjx
clt542
elp1286
ewr542

lih
koa7884
ogg7945
ogg7932
ogg7918
ogg7896
ogg7949

lim
bos2110

lit
bos2998
bwi2868
cle3026
dca3114
dtw3016
ewr2874
iad2938
iad3154
rsw3158

lgw
lax135

lhr
auh6048
dfw109
mct6046
sea87
sfo47

ldb
gru7678

lgb
bze2193

lax
bne7370
bwi1344
lga2466
mci2810
pek7954
pvg7952
pvg7950
scl7709
sju1963
sju244
sju1976
stl3040
tpa2822

sdf
aus2841
msp2865
msp2873
msy2837
sfo1055

msn
fsm5641

mad
dfw69

mga
den986
mco970

mqt
ord4331

mde
lga924

mem
cmi5482
iah1303
msp344
mty1649
pia5479

mex
bdl1110
bna1644
bna1156
ewr1110
mco1066
phl1066
rdu304
sea304
sea1156

mia
anu1845
asu999
lih285
lit3037
mci2891
mvd943
nrt153
phx3149
vvi922

msp
atl3086
bna1727
bna519
bna1230
dca1336
dca1584
dtw2880
ewr2855
hpn1288
hpn844
iah793
lit2963
msy3145
mty1031
mty885
phl1126
sat1527
sat1603
sdf2870
sdf2803
yyz1214

mfe
atl812
bdl1576
day890
ict1768
mem1534
sdf1024
sdf550

mbj
dca858

mty
dsm544
msp1310

mvd
mia900

yul
atl581
bna1459
msp1481
sna597

mct
lhr6045
zrh6331

bna
abq593
cid5651
dca1448
dca1546
ict1883
lax2439
yyz1956

nas
rsw5026
rsw5005

msy
abq2055
cmh3186
cur1879
dca2972
dca3022
gcm1743
iah567
phl1364
san861
san1199
slc1647
smf1957
stx695

I am surprised that no one has suggested going to the public library and looking in the monthly OAG worldwide edition. It lists all the flights with intermediate stops in the back, grouped by airline.

I found one small error in mm9u great list

bos
sat1855

AA1855 is actually RIC-DFW-SAT (or least for today)

Look foward to the other half of the list

Only one error? You're not looking hard enough.

Actually, it may not even be an error: the source for the data is the May 1st .pdf schedule, which lists flights both before and after a schedule change, apparently since changed, on June 14th. The flight may change sometime, but I'm not taking the time to read through the schedule to find out.

My favorite find of the list, SJU-DFW-YVR, a 3900 mile transcontinental segment is no longer in the reservation system. Since I only get one transcontinental flight one a OWE, I'd like it to be a good one.

Unfortunately, my OWE is a business trip, not a milage run, so discovering fun things like you can connect from Vancouver to Mexico through Columbus Ohio does me no good.

(FAT and MCO not being on the transcontinental list makes for interesting possibilities if you are just burning segments.)

Mark

I was very interested to learn of LGB-BZE - I have been trying to get to BZE but not wanting to waster 4 sectors of my DONE4 from LAX.

I have a couple of questions: -

- I can't seem to find the return BZE-LGB single flight - I assume that there is not guarantee that any of the combinations will allow a total 2 sector round trip?

- assuming you can do it in 2 direct flights (hecne 2 sectors) do you earn miles between LGB and BZE in a straight line or do they count it total as actually flying through DFW?

Just for my planning for my next DONE4.

Thanks

To answer the question on earning miles... you always get it for the direct distance between the end points on the ticket coupon, regardless of the route the plane(s) took to get there.

It would appear to make sense, that if you can fly from A to B on one plane, that you should be able to fly from B to A on one plane.

This of course has nothing to do with airlines. They don't match, so my first example of JFK-FAT-MEX doesn't work: you can fly from FAT to JFK, but you can't fly from JFK to FAT.

Now, on CX, for the most part, I can figure out the connections from looking at the route map, but on AA, I can't even figure out the simple flights.

What I need is a reworking of airport pairs, so that I can see what the options are for transcontinental flights and the like. Time to work on sorting the list.

I wish I had included mileage when I created it: I'm not sure the A to C is the distance you are credited with, since according to the AA .pdf file, the milage between city pairs may differ for different non-stop flights, and can be greatly different A to B than B to A.

JFK and onward should be online in about two days, when I get back to the real computer.

Mark

I was only looking at SAT flights. Your list has helped me save a segement and therefore spend a few days in SAT.


Many of the flights I looked at only worked one way. AA1870 LAS-ATL (via DFW) exists but ATL-LAS does not, unless you waste a segment thru DFW/STL/ORD.


[This message has been edited by Mwenenzi (edited 05-20-2003).]

It's wrong. You count the mileage from where your segment starts to where it ends. It's actually not wrong, it's just there for a different reason than you are using it for. But if you have a single segment flight that goes iad-sea or a non-stop that goes iad-sea, you are getting the same number of miles, which is iad-sea.

You will see the direct flights when you use the "build itinerary" function in the Electronic Timetable. With the City/Airport option, you only get the nonstop flights.

Which is the whole reason for creating a list. If we were normal people, we would decide where to go, and find a plane to get us there. The timetable works great on telling you if you can get from A to B on a certain date. It's not so great for telling you that there are other ways. My next ONE only needs to include a few places: NYC, LAX, ANC, LON, DXB, and AKL. I could do it all in 9 sectors, but where would the fun in that be? I can use it to visit everyone else, run up some mileage, and have a little fun.

LHR-SEZ is a flight that saves me a segment on my next AONE5. The only reason I found it was running a list like this. (Of course, that requires NBO to reopen....) LGA-TUL is another one, and no date I had ever fed into the timetable showed me that it existed.

What I really need is a sortable list with miles credited, but I'm not to the point where I can create that.

With the limit of 20 sectors, it has become critical that I keep counts down, and finding a way to make two flights into one makes that possible. Considering that the next trip has to include NZ (to pick up the kid) and Africa (long overdue promise), as well as the business that pays for the trip (NYC, LON, LAX, SYD) sector count is critical.

Of course, I've handed this over to my slightly compulsive thirteen year old to figure out. I do the flying, he gets the miles, so I now let him worry about routings. He's really quite mad that the SJU-YVR flight doesn't seem to exist, he had quite a schedule figured out with that as the one trans-continental. My having to tell him that MCO is ORL is probably not going to help!

I'll have the other half of the list on line sometime tomorrow, and maybe even in a usable, sorted fashion. I've got BA somewhere, and if anyone can get me a .pdf file for IB or WF, I can add them to the madness.

Mark, who has taught more geography with airline schedules than the boys have ever learned in school.

Yup.

-Ben, who has learned more geography from the Great Circle Mapper than I was ever taught in school