I have a friend who wants to fly from AKL to Canada as part of a Oneworld explorer fare.

What, if any, airlines can get me from AKL to Canada on a sensible routing while avoiding the continental US if at all possible? She is not too keen on using LAX as a stopover after hearing nightmare stories about the security... but the only schedules I can find offer QF to LAX connecting to AA. Any way she can route via HNL?

You can go CX AKL<HKG<YVR but that would mean purchasing an additional continent, Asia. Though if you are in SWPacific you will have had to come to SWP via Africa or Asia.

If you have come via Asia I think you would be best to transit Asia in EUR<ASIA<SWPacific (allowable) and then go SWP<Asia spend your time in Asia and then go Asia<NA on CX.

If you went via LAX I don't think you can use the QF codeshare on Alaskian but woud then have to use AA to get into Canada.

If you say where you are going in Canada might open up a few more ideas for other FTers.

Depending on who issues the ticket, you may be able to get the interpretation of the rules that allows a second transit through Asia to get from SWP to North America. Specifically then you would fly CX AKL-HKG-YVR/YYZ. This would avoid the US altogether.

There have been a number of discussions on this previously, and, if I recall correctly, it seems that QF are most likely to interpret the following rule to allow this.

31N . B. 2 PERMITTED IN ASIA, 1 MUST BE A TRANSIT
32N . WITHOUT STOPOVER OR ON DIRECT SINGLE PLANE
33N . SERVICE BETWEEN THE SOUTHWEST PACIFIC AND
34N . EUROPE.

Clearly you wouldn't be allowed a third entry into Asia if you already have two (once to stop there and once as a transit between Europe and SWP).

There is a QF to HNL and then you can pick up AA to a number of places in the US. You can avoid LAX easily enough, but not the whole US as far as I can tell unless you can get the above interpretation.

Alternatively, if you "do" Asia after SWP then there is no problem at all.

on CX!

akl-hkg-yvr
akl-hkg-yyz(via anc though)

he can then connect with AC from YVR to his specific destination

But to maximise points etc, how about being creative via a One World Explorer and doing something like this:

AKL-SYD-PER-ADL-MEL-NRT-HGK-DPS-SIN-LHR-DXB-LKR-IST-LHR-SFO-DFW-BOS-LAX-STL-DFW-YYZ

I am sure there are lots of other similar ways to get there so you could have lots fun with the routing .

But if you want to minimise flying time, follow the recommendations already posted above.

Great post!!

Sorry, rereading my original post I think that I should have clarified some points.

The RTW ticket originates in the Southwest Pacific, from Auckland. I was wondering if she could fly AKL-HNL on a QF codeshare on Air Pacific (not sure if it is permissible) and failing that, hop on QF to SYD and then on QF straight to YVR through HNL. But searching the QF schedules, apparently the only routing they offer is through LAX...

So the only way to avoid a transit stop in LAX is really to try and sneak through HKG?

[This message has been edited by B-HXB (edited 02-19-2003).]

Do you by any chance remember what thread it was? I did try a search before posting, but it's almost impossible to try and find an appropriate thread purely from the title.

If it is just LAX she wants to avoid, you can use QF SYD-HNL and AA HNL-DFW and then AA on the Canada from DFW.

She cannot use the Air Pacific codeshare on a OWE ticket.

Try this one:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum83/HTML/000958.html

found by doing a search on "transit Asia twice" on the content (not the title)

OK, so assuming she can use HKG as a transit from SWP to North America, now comes into the problem that the CX flight from AKL gets in at 2030, and both YVR flights leave HK in the afternoon...

What is the definition of a transit stop under oneworld explorer rules?

23 hours 59 minutes does a transit stop make. Plus a special rule allowing next available flight out if more than 24 hours for those few cities that don't have service every day.