Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Miles&Points > Global Airline Alliances > oneworld
Reload this Page >

SA BA office has different availabilities than ExpertFlyer

Community
Wiki Posts
Search

SA BA office has different availabilities than ExpertFlyer

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 8, 2017 | 4:18 pm
  #1  
Original Poster
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Cayman, San Diego, London
Programs: BA Lifetime Gold, AA 4MM Lifetime Platinum, Hilton Diamond, IHG Diamond Amb, Bonvoy Lifetime Gold
Posts: 1,074
SA BA office has different availabilities than ExpertFlyer

I've run into a snag:

I asked BA US (automatically transferred to Manchester, UK) to book an AONE4 starting in JNB. ExpertFlyer shows A9 as available on JNB-LHR, but, as it starts in South Africa, BA UK have to book it via the BA SA office who tell them it's not available. When I queried this and sent a print out of EF, BA UK said

"We have to book from the relevant office of origin when quoting ZAR fares."

Has anyone else run into this problem, please? On the seating plan, EF shows every seat as available.

Do offices in different countries use separate buckets? Or are the BA SA office making up their own quotas?

If the latter, once I've done the JNB-LHR leg, can I assume that EF availability will be accurate?
Full Score is offline  
Old Mar 9, 2017 | 12:14 am
  #2  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
30 Countries Visited
40 Nights
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Melbourne
Programs: ►QFWP/LTG►VA WP►HyattDisc.►HiltonGold►ALL Plat.
Posts: 22,336
I have had issues with availability like that for an ex CMB booking, E/F showed D available for MEL-LHR for ex USA bookings but not for CMB origination. Fixed by booking SYD-LHR.
serfty is offline  
Old Mar 12, 2017 | 6:37 am
  #3  
og
FlyerTalk Evangelist
20 Countries Visited
40 Countries Visited
50 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: SYD BXG
Programs: QF WP/LTG | UA P
Posts: 13,664
Availability does differ by country. IIRC EF shows inventory available in the USA. I have found HKG availability sometimes differs (eg D0 whereas EF shows D9). I'd be pretty sure BA is not making it up, but IME they do have a habit of trying to put you on BA codeshares whenever possible (especially on AA USA domestics).
og is offline  
Old Mar 13, 2017 | 9:33 am
  #4  
nux
FlyerTalk Evangelist
10 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Programs: BA Gold, QF WP
Posts: 12,551
Originally Posted by Full Score
Has anyone else run into this problem, please?
Fare bucket availability can differ based on POS (Point Of Sale). ExpertFlyer until recently only showed US or UK POS, now also has Germany, Singapore, Australia and Hong Kong.

Originally Posted by Full Score
On the seating plan, EF shows every seat as available.
Completely irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Full Score
If the latter, once I've done the JNB-LHR leg, can I assume that EF availability will be accurate?
If booked through the SA office, then SA availability is what matters.
nux is offline  
Old Mar 13, 2017 | 3:17 pm
  #5  
2M
50 Countries Visited
100 Nights
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: SORT OF HOMELESS
Programs: 14 years AA exp, but no more; & 1MM+, QR-PLT (ow EMD) MR-LTT, HH Gold
Posts: 8,104
yes, i encountered similar problem with cx, trying to reissue 2 QR flights. EF showed D9 for both. cx said none. my rtw is a done4
allset2travel is offline  
Old Mar 14, 2017 | 10:21 am
  #6  
Original Poster
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Cayman, San Diego, London
Programs: BA Lifetime Gold, AA 4MM Lifetime Platinum, Hilton Diamond, IHG Diamond Amb, Bonvoy Lifetime Gold
Posts: 1,074
New xONEx rules?

I'm now being told by BA that I have "too many sectors in Europe on new rules for AONE4 tickets".

Originating in South Africa, I'm using CPT-JNB-LHR-DUB-LHR-DXB-LHR-MIA.........

There aren't any "new" rules since Dec 2016 are there?
Full Score is offline  
Old Mar 14, 2017 | 5:16 pm
  #7  
100 Countries Visited
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: used to be PER, now it's nowhere/eveywhere
Programs: QFF NB, AA GLD
Posts: 3,687
Originally Posted by Full Score
I'm now being told by BA that I have "too many sectors in Europe on new rules for AONE4 tickets".

Originating in South Africa, I'm using CPT-JNB-LHR-DUB-LHR-DXB-LHR-MIA.........

There aren't any "new" rules since Dec 2016 are there?
Well yes there is a new version of the rules, issued on 1-Feb-2017
But there was no change to the relevant rule for you, it still states:
4(h) A minimum of 3 and maximum of 16 segments, including surface segments between any 2 airports, are permitted for the entire journey. Free flight segments within each continent are limited as follows:
Africa 4
Asia 4
Europe Middle East 4
North America 6
South America 4
South West Pacific 4
So the BA agent is incorrect. You have four flights in Europe-Middle East, which complies with the rule.

Just a thought though. By "DUB" do you mean Dubai? (It's actually the code for Dublin, DXB is the code for Dubai)
If you are saying "Dubai" to the agent, then the agent might be thinking there is still a restriction of the number of flights between the UK and the Middle East (used to be limited to two, but that restriction was lifted sometime last year).
pandaperth is offline  
Old Mar 14, 2017 | 8:45 pm
  #8  
Original Poster
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Cayman, San Diego, London
Programs: BA Lifetime Gold, AA 4MM Lifetime Platinum, Hilton Diamond, IHG Diamond Amb, Bonvoy Lifetime Gold
Posts: 1,074
The itinerary includes both DUB (Dublin) AND DXB (Dubai).
Full Score is offline  
Old Mar 14, 2017 | 10:43 pm
  #9  
100 Countries Visited
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: used to be PER, now it's nowhere/eveywhere
Programs: QFF NB, AA GLD
Posts: 3,687
Originally Posted by Full Score
The itinerary includes both DUB (Dublin) AND DXB (Dubai).
Oops, sorry, I somehow failed to notice that
pandaperth is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.