latest start date for RTW ticket
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latest start date for RTW ticket
a friend of mine wants to lock down two still relatively cheap ex-africa rtw tickets, and we want to book the 2nd start date as late as possible. as for today, we can book our first flight on the August 9th, 2017. we were wondering if we can push the first flight further down the road when other dates start getting available?
if so, would you be able to push a trip indefinitely? feels weird if you could, but on the other hand there is no downside to the airlines.
if so, would you be able to push a trip indefinitely? feels weird if you could, but on the other hand there is no downside to the airlines.
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No, if you move the first flight you will trigger a re-price. Lock the first date as far out as possible (usually 330 days) and put dummy dates for the remaining flights. The problem usually is that although the rules allow open dates for segments, I know AA (not sure about others) won't ticket without actual dates. So, that means the last flight, not the first, needs to be 330 days out. After the first flight you have 365 days to complete the trip.
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What skunker says is true
However, if the price has not increased since you bought it, then yes you can change the date of the first flight without penalty.
You cannot "push a trip indefinitely". The airlines' General Conditions of Carriage normally state that the first flight must be within one year of the original ticketing date. For example the BA conditions state:
However, if the price has not increased since you bought it, then yes you can change the date of the first flight without penalty.
You cannot "push a trip indefinitely". The airlines' General Conditions of Carriage normally state that the first flight must be within one year of the original ticketing date. For example the BA conditions state:
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That's true; however, given the rate at which the metical is falling, and has been for quite some time, I would expect another reprice at some point, or, worse for us, a switch to pricing ex-MPM tickets in USD.
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What you can do: book a very short RTW. First sector what you need, the rest just to get you around this planet quickly (330 days before the last of your flights). Later leave the first flight but change to your real routing (you pay the fee but that way you can lock in the price).
Be aware that in case of a refund you will get the money back in the original currency. If there is a decline you will have to eat the difference, if the currency goes up you might win.
Be aware that in case of a refund you will get the money back in the original currency. If there is a decline you will have to eat the difference, if the currency goes up you might win.
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This was definitely the case before the rtw tickets could have been bought outside country of the origin with fare of the origin.
However, now when it's possible to pay RTW tickets in different currencies it may be handled differently. At least AA is stating that refund is calculated from equivalent fare in currency mentioned in tix and also paid to airline, not the original fare currency.
I'm still not very sure about the information as the AA agents I dealt with haven't had the knowledge themselves, they have needed to ask from rating team. I don't trust that the refunds team would interpret the rules similarly than rating desk, but I don't have better information. At least two different AA agents was saying the same thing, but that doesn't mean anything.
I'm personally interested about the issue as I still have two exMPM DONE5 tix and I would need to cancel one in some point. My travel plans are still not very clear, so I would like to hold both tickets closer time, if the value is tied to equivalent fare in USD, but if value is tied to original fare in MZN then I would need to cancel one immediately. I tried to ask this in another thread before, but didn't get certain answer.
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My experience in the past: RTW from JNB bought thru a TA in Europe. Both credit in case of a return of the ticket or adding continents later was done in the original currency (ZAR) and then converted at the day of return/purchase the additional continents. The tickets were issued in ZAR.
Hopefully somebody else has more 'real life' experience. What is the currency AA is issuing the tickets in? That should be the currency for the refund.
Hopefully somebody else has more 'real life' experience. What is the currency AA is issuing the tickets in? That should be the currency for the refund.
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AA's general international tariff provides:
And in regard to refunds:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/Tariffs/AA1.html
(E)IN CASE OF CANCELLATION OR REROUTING WHICH RESULTS IN A PARTIAL REFUND OF THE ORIGINAL FARE, THE VALUE OF THE UNUSED PORTION OF THE TICKET SHALL BE CALCULATED IN THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF TRANSPOTATION ORIGINATION. SUCH AMOUNT MAY BE REFUNDED IN THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF TRANSPORTATION ORIGINATION OR MAY BE CONVERTED INTO THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF REFUND OR REISSUANCE AT THE LOCAL BANKERS' BUYING RATE IN EFFECT AT THE TIME REFUND TAKES PLACE.
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(G)"BANKERS' BUYING RATE" MEANS THE RATE AT WHICH, FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE TRANSFER OF FUNDS THROUGH BANKING CHANNELS (I.E., OTHER THAN TRANSACTIONS IN BANK NOTES, TRAVELLERS CHECKS, AND SIMILAR BANKING INSTRUMENTS), A BANK WILL PURCHASE A GIVEN AMOUNT OF FOREIGN CURRENCY IN EXCHANGE FOR ONE UNIT (OR UNITS) OF THE NATIONAL CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY IN WHICH THE EXCHANGE TRANSACTION TAKES PLACE. EXCEPTIONS:
1.IN THE U.S.A., THE BANKERS' BUYING RATE MEANS THE RATE PUBLISHED EACH TUESDAY IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL UNDER THE HEADING OF "SELLING PRICES FOR BANK TRANSFERS IN THE U.S. FOR PAYMENT ABROAD." THIS RATE WILL BE APPLICABLE FROM WEDNESDAY OF EACH WEEK UP TO AND INCLUDING THE TUESDAY OF THE FOLLOWING WEEK.
2.IN THE CASE OF BELGIUM, FRANCE, AND ITALY WHERE TWO RATES (COMMERCIAL AND FINANCIAL) ARE SHOWN, THE COMMERCIAL RATE SHALL BE USED.
3.WHEN A NATIONAL HOLIDAY FALLS ON MONDAY, FOREIGN EXCHANGE RATES DO NOT APPEAR IN THE TUESDAY EDITION OF THE WALL STREET JOURNAL.IN SUCH EXCEPTIONAL CASES THE PREVIOUS WEEK'S RATES ARE USED THROUGH WEDNESDAY INSTEAD OF TUESDAY, AND THE WEDNESDAY EDITION OF THE WALL STREET JOURNAL WILL BE USED FOR THE PERIOD THURSDAY THROUGH TUESDAY.
4.IN CANADA THE BANKERS' BUYING RATE MEANS THE RATE PUBLISHED EACH SATURDAY IN THE TORONTO GLOBE & MAIL UNDER THE HEADING FOREIGN EXCHANGE - MID MARKET RATE IN CANADIAN FUNDS.THIS RATE WILL BE APPLICABLE FROM MONDAY OF THE FOLLOWING WEEK UP TO AND INCLUDING THE SUNDAY FOLLOWING AFTER.WHEN EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES PREVENT THE PUBLICATION OF EXCHANGE RATES IN THE SATURDAY EDITION OF THE TORONTO GLOBE & MAIL THE CURRENTLY APPLICABLE EXCHANGE RATES WILL REMAIN EFFECTIVE UNTIL 2 DAYS AFTER SUPERSEDING EXCHANGE RATES ARE PUBLISHED. SUCH SUPERSEDING RATES WILL BE EFFECTIVE THROUGH THE FIRST SUNDAY FOLLOWING THEIR PUBLICATION DATE.
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(G)"BANKERS' BUYING RATE" MEANS THE RATE AT WHICH, FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE TRANSFER OF FUNDS THROUGH BANKING CHANNELS (I.E., OTHER THAN TRANSACTIONS IN BANK NOTES, TRAVELLERS CHECKS, AND SIMILAR BANKING INSTRUMENTS), A BANK WILL PURCHASE A GIVEN AMOUNT OF FOREIGN CURRENCY IN EXCHANGE FOR ONE UNIT (OR UNITS) OF THE NATIONAL CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY IN WHICH THE EXCHANGE TRANSACTION TAKES PLACE. EXCEPTIONS:
1.IN THE U.S.A., THE BANKERS' BUYING RATE MEANS THE RATE PUBLISHED EACH TUESDAY IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL UNDER THE HEADING OF "SELLING PRICES FOR BANK TRANSFERS IN THE U.S. FOR PAYMENT ABROAD." THIS RATE WILL BE APPLICABLE FROM WEDNESDAY OF EACH WEEK UP TO AND INCLUDING THE TUESDAY OF THE FOLLOWING WEEK.
2.IN THE CASE OF BELGIUM, FRANCE, AND ITALY WHERE TWO RATES (COMMERCIAL AND FINANCIAL) ARE SHOWN, THE COMMERCIAL RATE SHALL BE USED.
3.WHEN A NATIONAL HOLIDAY FALLS ON MONDAY, FOREIGN EXCHANGE RATES DO NOT APPEAR IN THE TUESDAY EDITION OF THE WALL STREET JOURNAL.IN SUCH EXCEPTIONAL CASES THE PREVIOUS WEEK'S RATES ARE USED THROUGH WEDNESDAY INSTEAD OF TUESDAY, AND THE WEDNESDAY EDITION OF THE WALL STREET JOURNAL WILL BE USED FOR THE PERIOD THURSDAY THROUGH TUESDAY.
4.IN CANADA THE BANKERS' BUYING RATE MEANS THE RATE PUBLISHED EACH SATURDAY IN THE TORONTO GLOBE & MAIL UNDER THE HEADING FOREIGN EXCHANGE - MID MARKET RATE IN CANADIAN FUNDS.THIS RATE WILL BE APPLICABLE FROM MONDAY OF THE FOLLOWING WEEK UP TO AND INCLUDING THE SUNDAY FOLLOWING AFTER.WHEN EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES PREVENT THE PUBLICATION OF EXCHANGE RATES IN THE SATURDAY EDITION OF THE TORONTO GLOBE & MAIL THE CURRENTLY APPLICABLE EXCHANGE RATES WILL REMAIN EFFECTIVE UNTIL 2 DAYS AFTER SUPERSEDING EXCHANGE RATES ARE PUBLISHED. SUCH SUPERSEDING RATES WILL BE EFFECTIVE THROUGH THE FIRST SUNDAY FOLLOWING THEIR PUBLICATION DATE.
REFUNDS
(A)GENERAL REFUND BY AA FOR AN UNUSED TICKET OR PORTION THEREOF, EXCHANGE ORDER OR MISCELLANEOUS CHARGES ORDER WILL BE MADE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED IN PARAGRAPH (F) OF THIS RULE:
1.PERSONS REQUESTING REFUND MUST SURRENDER TO AA ALL UNUSED FLIGHT COUPON(S) OF THE TICKET, EXCHANGE ORDER OR MISCELLANEOUS CHARGES ORDER.
2.AA WILL REFUSE REFUND ON A TICKET WHICH HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS OF A COUNTRY OR TO AA AS EVIDENCE OF INTENTION TO DEPART THEREFROM UNLESS THE PASSENGER ESTABLISHES TO THE AA'S SATISFACTION THAT HE HAS PERMISSION TO REMAIN IN THE COUNTRY OR THAT HE WILL DEPART THEREFROM BY ANOTHER CARRIER OR CONVEYANCE.
3.AA SHALL MAKE ALL OR ANY INDIVIDUAL REFUNDS THROUGH ITS GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICES OF REGIONAL SALES OR ACCOUNTING OFFICES, AND REQUIRE PRIOR WRITTEN APPLICATIONS FOR REFUNDS TO BE PREPARED BY PASSENGERS ON SPECIAL FORMS FURNISHED BY AA.
(B)CURRENCY ALL REFUNDS WILL BE SUBJECT TO GOVERNMENT LAWS, RULES, REGULATIONS, OR ORDERS OF THE COUNTRY IN WHICH THE TICKET WAS ORIGINALLY PURCHASED AND OF THE COUNTRY IN WHICH THE REFUND IS BEING MADE. NOTE
APPLICABLE TO TICKETS SOLD IN VENEZUELA)ANY FULL OR PARTIAL REFUND OF A TICKET PURCHASED IN VENEZUELA WILL ONLY BE ACCEPTED AT THE AA PASSENGER REFUND OFFICE OR AT THE ORIGINAL ISSUING LOCATION IN VENEZUELA.TICKETS PURCHASED IN VEF CURRENCY MAY ONLY BE REFUNDED IN VEF CURRENCY. REFUNDS WILL BE MADE SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING PROVISIONS:
1.VOLUNTARY REFUNDS OF TICKETS, MISCELLANEOUS CHARGES ORDERS, OR DEPOSIT RECEIPTS PURCHASED IN CURRENCY OTHER THAN U.S. DOLLARS SHALL BE MADE IN CURRENCY USED FOR SUCH PURPOSE, AND IN COUNTRY WHERE SUCH PURCHASE WAS MADE.
2.VOLUNTARY REFUNDS OF TICKETS, MISCELLANEOUS CHARGES ORDERS, OR DEPOSIT RECEIPTS PURCHASED IN U.S. DOLLARS MAY BE MADE IN U.S. DOLLARS OR LOCAL CURRENCY IN ANY COUNTRY PROVIDED SUCH REFUND IS NOT PROHIBITED BY LOCAL GOVERNMENTAL EXCHANGE CONTROL REGULATIONS AT POINT OF REFUND.
3.INVOLUNTARY REFUNDS OF TICKETS, MISCELLANEOUS CHARGES ORDERS, OR DEPOSIT RECEIPTS SHALL BE MADE IN THE CURRENCY USED FOR SUCH PURCHASE AND IN THE COUNTRY WHERE SUCH PURCHASE WAS MADE, WHENEVER POSSIBLE.HOWEVER, U.S. DOLLARS REFUNDS OR REFUNDS IN THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY WHERE THE INVOLUNTARY REFUND IS NECESSARY MAY BE MADE ON REQUEST OF PASSENGER PROVIDED REFUND IN SUCH CURRENCY IS NOT PROHIBITED BY LOCAL GOVERNMENTAL EXCHANGE CONTROL REGULATIONS.
4.REFUNDS WILL BE MADE IN THE CURRENCY IN WHICH THE FARE WAS PAID, OR, IN LAWFUL CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF THE CARRIER MAKING THE REFUND OR OF THE COUNTRY WHERE THE REFUND IS MADE OR IN THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY IN WHICH THE TICKET WAS PURCHASED, IN AN AMOUNT EQUIVALENT TO THE AMOUNT DUE IN THE CURRENCY IN WHICH THE FARE OR FARES FOR THE FLIGHT COVERED BY THE TICKET AS ORIGINALLY ISSUED WAS COLLECTED.
NOTE
ESPITE THE FOREGOING PROVISIONS, AA WILL RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE TO MAKE ANY REFUND AUTHORIZED BY THIS TARIFF IN A CURRENCY OTHER THAN THAT USED IN THE PURCHASE OF THE TICKET TO BE REFUNDED OR AT A PLACE OTHER THAN THAT AT WHICH PAYMENT FOR SUCH TICKET WAS MADE.
(A)GENERAL REFUND BY AA FOR AN UNUSED TICKET OR PORTION THEREOF, EXCHANGE ORDER OR MISCELLANEOUS CHARGES ORDER WILL BE MADE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED IN PARAGRAPH (F) OF THIS RULE:
1.PERSONS REQUESTING REFUND MUST SURRENDER TO AA ALL UNUSED FLIGHT COUPON(S) OF THE TICKET, EXCHANGE ORDER OR MISCELLANEOUS CHARGES ORDER.
2.AA WILL REFUSE REFUND ON A TICKET WHICH HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS OF A COUNTRY OR TO AA AS EVIDENCE OF INTENTION TO DEPART THEREFROM UNLESS THE PASSENGER ESTABLISHES TO THE AA'S SATISFACTION THAT HE HAS PERMISSION TO REMAIN IN THE COUNTRY OR THAT HE WILL DEPART THEREFROM BY ANOTHER CARRIER OR CONVEYANCE.
3.AA SHALL MAKE ALL OR ANY INDIVIDUAL REFUNDS THROUGH ITS GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICES OF REGIONAL SALES OR ACCOUNTING OFFICES, AND REQUIRE PRIOR WRITTEN APPLICATIONS FOR REFUNDS TO BE PREPARED BY PASSENGERS ON SPECIAL FORMS FURNISHED BY AA.
(B)CURRENCY ALL REFUNDS WILL BE SUBJECT TO GOVERNMENT LAWS, RULES, REGULATIONS, OR ORDERS OF THE COUNTRY IN WHICH THE TICKET WAS ORIGINALLY PURCHASED AND OF THE COUNTRY IN WHICH THE REFUND IS BEING MADE. NOTE
APPLICABLE TO TICKETS SOLD IN VENEZUELA)ANY FULL OR PARTIAL REFUND OF A TICKET PURCHASED IN VENEZUELA WILL ONLY BE ACCEPTED AT THE AA PASSENGER REFUND OFFICE OR AT THE ORIGINAL ISSUING LOCATION IN VENEZUELA.TICKETS PURCHASED IN VEF CURRENCY MAY ONLY BE REFUNDED IN VEF CURRENCY. REFUNDS WILL BE MADE SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING PROVISIONS: 1.VOLUNTARY REFUNDS OF TICKETS, MISCELLANEOUS CHARGES ORDERS, OR DEPOSIT RECEIPTS PURCHASED IN CURRENCY OTHER THAN U.S. DOLLARS SHALL BE MADE IN CURRENCY USED FOR SUCH PURPOSE, AND IN COUNTRY WHERE SUCH PURCHASE WAS MADE.
2.VOLUNTARY REFUNDS OF TICKETS, MISCELLANEOUS CHARGES ORDERS, OR DEPOSIT RECEIPTS PURCHASED IN U.S. DOLLARS MAY BE MADE IN U.S. DOLLARS OR LOCAL CURRENCY IN ANY COUNTRY PROVIDED SUCH REFUND IS NOT PROHIBITED BY LOCAL GOVERNMENTAL EXCHANGE CONTROL REGULATIONS AT POINT OF REFUND.
3.INVOLUNTARY REFUNDS OF TICKETS, MISCELLANEOUS CHARGES ORDERS, OR DEPOSIT RECEIPTS SHALL BE MADE IN THE CURRENCY USED FOR SUCH PURCHASE AND IN THE COUNTRY WHERE SUCH PURCHASE WAS MADE, WHENEVER POSSIBLE.HOWEVER, U.S. DOLLARS REFUNDS OR REFUNDS IN THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY WHERE THE INVOLUNTARY REFUND IS NECESSARY MAY BE MADE ON REQUEST OF PASSENGER PROVIDED REFUND IN SUCH CURRENCY IS NOT PROHIBITED BY LOCAL GOVERNMENTAL EXCHANGE CONTROL REGULATIONS.
4.REFUNDS WILL BE MADE IN THE CURRENCY IN WHICH THE FARE WAS PAID, OR, IN LAWFUL CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF THE CARRIER MAKING THE REFUND OR OF THE COUNTRY WHERE THE REFUND IS MADE OR IN THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY IN WHICH THE TICKET WAS PURCHASED, IN AN AMOUNT EQUIVALENT TO THE AMOUNT DUE IN THE CURRENCY IN WHICH THE FARE OR FARES FOR THE FLIGHT COVERED BY THE TICKET AS ORIGINALLY ISSUED WAS COLLECTED.
NOTE
ESPITE THE FOREGOING PROVISIONS, AA WILL RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE TO MAKE ANY REFUND AUTHORIZED BY THIS TARIFF IN A CURRENCY OTHER THAN THAT USED IN THE PURCHASE OF THE TICKET TO BE REFUNDED OR AT A PLACE OTHER THAN THAT AT WHICH PAYMENT FOR SUCH TICKET WAS MADE.
Last edited by jerry a. laska; Sep 15, 2016 at 3:01 pm

