I have an expectation (or maybe it is just a hope) that a new version of the rule sheet will be published in September.
Why? Because JJ commences GRU-JNB services, thus making possible 3-continent itineraries that start in the southern hemisphere continents (for example SYD-SCL-GRU-JNB-SYD).

So I expect the following words to be removed from Rule 0 (zero):(and I further expect 3-continent fares to be published for countries in the southern hemisphere continents).

Just in case there IS a lurker who reads this forum (either from Oneworld itself or from one of the airlines), what rule changes would WE like to see? We can list them here in this thread, and who knows�.

So, I will go first

Minor changes:

Renumber the clauses!Rule 4(h)Rule 15Middling change:

Re-write (yet again!) the backtrack rules in 4(e).Major changes

Make rule 4(e) more complex!Remove the following words from Rule 0:Finally, I have been mulling the implications of a change to the definitions of the continents of Africa and Europe/Middle East -changing them to Europe and Africa/Middle East. But I will leave that for another post

Edited to add;
I realized I have left the words "Middle East" out my proposed definition of the continent Europe/Middle East
and I remembered I had intended to add these words at the end of my post

I obviously have way too much time on my hands

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Originally Posted by pandaperth

I have an expectation (or maybe it is just a hope) that a new version of the rule sheet will be published in September.
Why? Because JJ commences GRU-JNB services, thus making possible 3-continent itineraries that start in the southern hemisphere continents (for example SYD-SCL-GRU-JNB-SYD).

So I expect the following words to be removed from Rule 0 (zero):

* 3 Continent Fare is only offered for travel originating in Asia, Europe/Middle East and North America

(and I further expect 3-continent fares to be published for countries in the southern hemisphere continents).

I too expect we'll see Southern Hemisphere *ONE3s - what do we think might happen the Africa backtracking rules now that there would be a S. Atlantic 'escape route' - would we see the removal of the extra Europe-Middle East arrival/departure - or the addition of an extra S. America arrival/departure? (when one is a transfer without stopover).

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Minor changes:

Renumber the clauses!

They are numbered 0, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 26
Would it be too hard to number them 1 to 17?

I can answer this one! These are industry standard ATPCo fare category numbers - when the fares are filed in ATPCo, each rule type goes into a certain paragraph, for example, penalties are always filed in 'paragraph 16' - across airlines and alliances. Fares without any penalty simply won't have a category 16, just like the *ONEx fares don't have a category 1 (which is always 'eligibility' - anyone can buy a *ONEx fare but for other fares you must be a Government employee, or a senior citizen, or... etc.,)

Have a look here to see all the category numbers - scroll down to category: http://www.atpco.net/glossary/c

In fact, in Sabre and Apollo, to display the penalties paragraph of a fare, the category numbers are used, so RD1*16 to display the penalties of the first fare from a fare display in Sabre and $V7/16 to display the fees for the 7th fare displayed in Apollo.

There, useless information - you're welcome!

it is not.clear gru jnb hkg syd will stick...

What do you mean?

Not useless at all, and thank you - I have learnt something new today

As for the other part of your post, namely:

I've remembered another change I would like to see

Minor Change

4 (c)(d) Between HKG and China

Is of course redundant now since that is covered by 4 (c)(a)

Although whether an open-jaw between HKG and TPE would be permitted is an interesting question!

LOL

neither the economy of brazil or south africa are.doing particularly well. do u think the route will survive?

the chance that anyone doing an open jaw between hkg tpe is minimal unless s/he is a mileage runner who need to fly tpe.hkg for another deal, there is no easy way to travel from taiwan to hk without flying.

So sorry that I did not understand the first time

LOL (this laugh is called irony)

Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows:

Add within Europe.

Countries that use the Euro have the same fare, so why not start in Germany and end in Spain. Also, many of the African fares are quoted in US $ and are the same. Why not Europe as well.

[To address your second point initially:OK, now to your first point

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Originally Posted by pandaperth

What are you suggesting? That a backtrack from Africa to South America be allowed? Since South America is in TC1 and Africa in TC2...

You're right, I hadn't thought of the progression of TCs. Duh.

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I do not think there will be any change to the backtrack rules for Africa (the backtracks being of course through Africa's northern neighbour Europe/Middle East).

Here's my thinking.

Africa has always been Oneworld's problem continent, because the alliance has so few intra-continental flights (only BA's subsidiary Comair with its small network in southern Africa) and poor connectivity to the continent from elsewhere.

In particular a swathe of countries in West, Central and East Africa only have Oneworld flights going North � to Europe/Middle East. They have no Oneworld connectivity going South to Southern Africa, or East or West out of Africa

JJ�s flights GRU-JNB will do nothing for this swathe of countries. They will still need backtracking.

(The alliance solved this problem for North Africa � by defining it to be part of Europe/Middle East! Maybe that�s the solution for West/Central/East Africa)

You're also right about the intra-Africa connectivity. I was simply thinking along the lines of that there used to be no African trans-Atlantic route - one had to pass through Eu/ME.

Now there is one, GRU-JNB, we might see a change to back track rules for Southern Africa (ZA and anything with a conx to JNB). Maybe not, as there's still no NA-Africa route, and while potential Southern hemisphere *ONE3s and above could avoid Eu/ME altogether, a N hemi+Africa RTW still cannot avoid Eu/ME. I don't think I even know what I meant myself anymore...

Let's have this discussion again when AA (or BA Comair!) starts US-Africa in 5/10/15 years... NA-AFR-AS-NA anyone?