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Thanks for posting! I have found that AA ticketing may take up to 48 hrs, but you can always call the RTW desk and check on progress. I'm not sure if the agent has any way to "push" things along, but YMMV.
The cc charge will show as pending for a while, even after ticketing is complete. Who knows why. Good luck if you voluntarily choose the OW tool -- I have found that any "crazy" itinerary will almost certainly trigger an error, even if it's a legit routing... or it may offer you only one carrier, despite having availability on multiple carriers. |
Originally Posted by izzik
(Post 36097928)
Thanks for posting! I have found that AA ticketing may take up to 48 hrs, but you can always call the RTW desk and check on progress. I'm not sure if the agent has any way to "push" things along, but YMMV.
The cc charge will show as pending for a while, even after ticketing is complete. Who knows why. Good luck if you voluntarily choose the OW tool -- I have found that any "crazy" itinerary will almost certainly trigger an error, even if it's a legit routing... or it may offer you only one carrier, despite having availability on multiple carriers. As far as ticketing queue goes with AA, I can't prove this but I suspect it's based on status. I've booked partner mileage tickets for others many times that got stuck in queue for ages, and all it took was for me to call and ask for them to push it, it was done in 5 minutes. |
Originally Posted by NotJustDreaming
(Post 36097261)
CAI xDOH QR (changed to CAI xAMM RJ)
xDOH HKT QR (changed to xAMM BKK RJ) HKT HKG CX (changed to BKK HKG with CX) HKG DPS CX DPS KUL MH KUL NRT JL NRT HNL JL HNL ANC AS ANC LAX AS LAX SJO AA SJO DFW AA DFW SFO AA SFO MIA AA MIA DOH QR DOH AMM QR AMM CAI RJ Edit: Always had the Fijis in the search so far, hence Global Explorer with max. 34k. Question answered... |
Originally Posted by NotJustDreaming
(Post 36097261)
Full itinerary is in aa.com with different booking codes for other airlines.
But I have not received any email from aa. |
Originally Posted by ToKo
(Post 36098683)
Great find for the amount of TPs! Now that I've spent a few days looking more closely into the fares, I'm wondering how it's possible to get over 34k miles here (over 37k here)? Saw a few itinerary with more miles like that.
There's not much price difference between DONE3-5 ex-CAI on the base fare, just have to watch your YQs. |
Originally Posted by NotJustDreaming
(Post 36097261)
CAI xDOH QR (changed to CAI xAMM RJ) xDOH HKT QR (changed to xAMM BKK RJ) HKT HKG CX (changed to BKK HKG with CX) HKG DPS CX DPS KUL MH KUL NRT JL NRT HNL JL HNL ANC AS ANC LAX AS LAX SJO AA SJO DFW AA DFW SFO AA SFO MIA AA MIA DOH QR DOH AMM QR AMM CAI RJ I'm likely crediting to BAEC. Both itineraries earn 1,560 TP. Fare was just under $4,300 USD or lots and lots of CAD. After submitting the initial QR start and seeing the price, I called back and asked to change to RJ and to submit for a reprice. Agent said that changes like that won't change the ticket price but she obliged anyway since I am so charming. Of course if you're wanting stopovers on both ends in AMM then RJ is necessary but otherwise I'd skip them entirely. |
Originally Posted by dvs7310
(Post 36094423)
Thought I'd re-share mine as well since I made some changes today, this is likely the final itinerary that I'll actually fly with some date changes later on the final DOH-NBO & NBO-DOH-CAI.
CAI-xDOH-CGK (QR) CGK-NRT (JL) HND-BKK (JL) BKK-xHND-xJFK-GRU (All JL code, AA operated on JFK-GRU) GRU-xDFW-STL (JL code GRU-DFW, AA) STL-xSEA-DOH (AS, QR) DOH-NBO (QR) NBO-xDOH-CAI (QR) Ended up being DONE5 Base fare: EGP 145000.00 / AUD 4680.00 Total paid AUD 7,269.00 / US$ 4,738 (not including the $125 change of ticketed points fee) Maybe I could have done better on YQ with different carriers, but all in all, it's a good deal since I'm crediting to AAdvantage, and all of the those QR and JL segments have a 150% cabin bonus. But TBH I'm not sure I could have done much better on YQ, when I played around with replacing some flights with MH the YQ went up a good bit (like AUD100-300), I don't think changing JL to AA makes a difference, maybe AA trans Atlantic would save a bit but that doesn't interest me, so I'm happy with this price. 1. first leg can not be QR operated 2. If I use old tool, 34000 miles bug 3. If I use new tool, must return to CAI, I can not return to DOH |
Originally Posted by slhu82
(Post 36099752)
Did you call AA to book? I tried to use online tool, but 2 things really annoying
1. first leg can not be QR operated 2. If I use old tool, 34000 miles bug 3. If I use new tool, must return to CAI, I can not return to DOH |
Originally Posted by slhu82
(Post 36099752)
Did you call AA to book? I tried to use online tool, but 2 things really annoying
1. first leg can not be QR operated 2. If I use old tool, 34000 miles bug 3. If I use new tool, must return to CAI, I can not return to DOH |
Originally Posted by dvs7310
(Post 36099729)
That's a really nice itinerary for a DONE3, great job. I would however challenge them on RJ vs QR. Neither would change the base fare itself, just a difference in YQ (fuel surcharge) and I'm pretty sure RJ has a higher YQ than QR does. Also the experience on QR and RJ are night and day different. RJ is more of a bargain basement carrier, they aren't on the same level as the big 3 gulf carriers or even SV. Sad to say but I'd much rather fly AA's business class than RJs given the choice... The RJ 787 to BKK is pretty tired to say the least, and they cancel that flight a lot, it's not daily, so they'll try to reschedule you days before or after your planned flight if it happens. QR on the other hand is top notch most of the time.The longe in AMM is also nothing more than average, while the Al Mourjan in DOH is really good (It's actually not my favorite lounge, but it is really good) I think it'd be well worth your while to try to change that back to QR while the base fares are still the current price, it's definitely worth the $125 change fee.
Of course if you're wanting stopovers on both ends in AMM then RJ is necessary but otherwise I'd skip them entirely. I looked closely at what little information was in the price breakdown in the AA booking. There was clearly a very large fare difference in the base fare for the itinerary I originally set up than what it shows now. Wish I took a screenshot. I can't recall now what the base fare was in USD but I thought I lost the window of opportunity for currency conversion. The overall trip for two people when starting with QR was over $16K CAD. I was pretty disappointed with myself that I didn't move on it faster. Agreed. I really don't want to start with RJ. Especially to BKK. I've read the reviews here. Also agreed that I should pay that change fee to get QR. |
Originally Posted by slhu82
(Post 36099752)
Did you call AA to book? I tried to use online tool, but 2 things really annoying
1. first leg can not be QR operated 2. If I use old tool, 34000 miles bug 3. If I use new tool, must return to CAI, I can not return to DOH
Originally Posted by danger
(Post 36099794)
I've noticed that the 'over 34,000 miles' message can be entirely unrelated to actually having an itinerary over 34K. Everytime I've got the error message, it's been due to another issue that's easily rectified yourself. In my case, it's occurred where a direct flight wasn't available on the day I chose and the indirect flight causes the itinerary to have two many sectors. Or it's because business isn't available on all flights. Or it's because the tool has chosen a routing that arrives at one airport and leaves from another, again causing issues with the maximum number of segments. In all cases, I've been able to get rid of the error by reviewing each flight individually. In all cases, my itinerary is well over 34K.
For 1) You can book on RJ to get it to ticket, then remove it later for the $125 fee. You'll also likely get a small refund for the YQ difference since QR is lower. For 3) Wasn't aware of that issue on the 'new' tool not allowing return to a different country in the region. But if you have the segments remaining, you can always build in like a 20 hour connection in DOH and convince the check in agent you need your luggage to go to the hotel that night. At the very worst you can arrive in DOH and cancel the last leg there and get your luggage pulled, but this could take a while and you can't exit customs without it. |
xCAI for 4 continents for D fare. I got 7000 from AA. Which is quiet a lot comparing with others.
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Originally Posted by slhu82
(Post 36106022)
xCAI for 4 continents for D fare. I got 7000 from AA. Which is quiet a lot comparing with others.
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What's normal price for xCAI? My current itinerary first leg is QR. I am considering to update to RJ to see if price will drop
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Originally Posted by slhu82
(Post 36106028)
What's normal price for xCAI? My current itinerary first leg is QR. I am considering to update to RJ to see if price will drop
Looks like many fares have been pulled today - the tool won't price anything ex-CAI on IB or BA today...and I can't seem to force RJ either... Base fares were around USD 3,000 plus taxes and fees. If you have something I'd consider ticketing now...this may be rapidly evaporating... |
Originally Posted by NotJustDreaming
(Post 36097261)
I was going to post once I received the tickets. Today is Thursday.
Credit card charge is pending. Original call was Monday. Repriced and paid on Tuesday. Full itinerary is in aa.com with different booking codes for other airlines. But I have not received any email from aa. This is my first xONEx. Almost embarrassing since I did not think to select for YQ. Departure in 2025 with everything but the start date off the calendar (just dummy dates). I am posting the first DONE3 (x2) itinerary that I picked starting with QR and also the change to RJ which brought the base fare back down to 130,000 EGP - since both were legal. We're doing it over five-six months and we'll be adding separate flights in Asia and from ANC, maybe from HNL as well. Awesome ideas/suggestions welcome. CAI xDOH QR (changed to CAI xAMM RJ) xDOH HKT QR (changed to xAMM BKK RJ) HKT HKG CX (changed to BKK HKG with CX) HKG DPS CX DPS KUL MH KUL NRT JL NRT HNL JL HNL ANC AS ANC LAX AS LAX SJO AA SJO DFW AA DFW SFO AA SFO MIA AA MIA DOH QR DOH AMM QR AMM CAI RJ I'm likely crediting to BAEC. Both itineraries earn 1,560 TP. Fare was just under $4,300 USD or lots and lots of CAD. After submitting the initial QR start and seeing the price, I called back and asked to change to RJ and to submit for a reprice. Agent said that changes like that won't change the ticket price but she obliged anyway since I am so charming. Lots of fun experimenting and booking. I'm thinking about another xONEx starting next month since I have travel from Europe to NA in April and then from NA to ME in August. Likely I'll book directly with the OW tool since my dates will all be on the calendar so (hopefully) no need to call the dreaded QF number for changes. And I want to make it a bit crazy. If the base fare is still there, I'll book it up once I've figured it out. insert maniacal laugh here |
Originally Posted by ironmanjt
(Post 36106031)
Who are you trying to book with? This has been answered repeatedly here.
Looks like many fares have been pulled today - the tool won't price anything ex-CAI on IB or BA today...and I can't seem to force RJ either... Base fares were around USD 3,000 plus taxes and fees. If you have something I'd consider ticketing now...this may be rapidly evaporating... https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...279abb0fc3.png |
Originally Posted by slhu82
(Post 36106028)
What's normal price for xCAI? to see if price will drop
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Originally Posted by LilZeppelin
(Post 36106251)
Would you be able to click on pricing summary on aa.com and see what the base fare/carrier-imposed charges/taxes breakdown is? As for RJ fare on expertflyer, it did stop coming up today, but RTW still comes up with BA/UL/MH airlines (DGLOB34 or DONE4 is 3018$ or 3024$ depending on airline). by the way, I still do not understand what the difference is who lists the fare. If RJ does not have the fare listed, then does that mean the first flight cannot be on RJ?
I don't see price summary from AA.com. Do you know how to check price summary. I do not even receive any email alert regarding my price and I called today to figure out my price. so I am not 100% sure what is my base fare. But based on others info, QR base fair is 5200. My overall cost is 7000, which lines up perfectly. I am about to call AA and ask them to switch to RJ for the first segment. Let's see if they are able to do it and give me RJ base fair. |
Originally Posted by slhu82
(Post 36106280)
I don't see price summary from AA.com.
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Yes, I remember before ticketing, I saw a little button to call up the price, and that is how I found out the price even without calling them back. Perhaps if you logout of your advantage account and retrieve the trip by name and PNR...
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As of right now, the cheap ex-CAI fares are still available (according to EF) only on MH, UL and BA. If someone is sitting on the fence I suggest ringing up BA immediately (and be prepared to pay hefty fuel surcharges). Otherwise, there are ongoing good (but not nearly as great) deals out of OSL and TYO.
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JNB seems to be back in the mix with EF reporting DONE3/4 fares roughly the same as OSL.
Japan a couple/three/four hundred US$ less.... DONE3 near US$5000 base DONE4 about $500 more Keep wandering Fred |
Originally Posted by slhu82
(Post 36106280)
I don't see price summary from AA.com. Do you know how to check price summary. I do not even receive any email alert regarding my price and I called today to figure out my price. so I am not 100% sure what is my base fare. But based on others info, QR base fair is 5200. My overall cost is 7000, which lines up perfectly.
I am about to call AA and ask them to switch to RJ for the first segment. Let's see if they are able to do it and give me RJ base fair.
Originally Posted by wandering_fred
(Post 36107160)
JNB seems to be back in the mix with EF reporting DONE3/4 fares roughly the same as OSL.
Japan a couple/three/four hundred US$ less.... DONE3 near US$5000 base DONE4 about $500 more Keep wandering Fred I'll have to check out ex-South Africa, that would be interesting as well since I believe that would allow the full 4 stopovers in both Europe / ME and Asia. Something you don't get in ex-Japan or ex-OSL (or ex-CAI) itineraries. |
BA finally re-priced by more than doubling. Those QR fares look like a bargain now!
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Originally Posted by iwillflytheworld
(Post 36106603)
As of right now, the cheap ex-CAI fares are still available (according to EF) only on MH, UL and BA. If someone is sitting on the fence I suggest ringing up BA immediately (and be prepared to pay hefty fuel surcharges). Otherwise, there are ongoing good (but not nearly as great) deals out of OSL and TYO.
BA/JL/CX are showing sky-high prices, worse than QR (which is now "cheaper" lol). RJ/AT/QF/UL/AY/IB/AS aren't showing any prices in EF. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...310bea1543.png |
Originally Posted by dvs7310
(Post 36107309)
Yeah, if AA is using the QR fare, it never went down when the currency devalued because the QR fare was always in US$. The base fare in EGP is 141,000 EGP for DONE4 and 145,000 EGP for DONE5. Switching the first flight to AT, RJ, BA, or IB should use the EGP base fare, then you 'should' be able to pay the $125 fee to change it to QR right after ticketing.
Thanks for letting me know about Japan fare. I also tried to get quote for xTYO, but online tool can not issue the ticket due to JAL segment. The approximate overall cost for xDONE$ is $5500 from QF. I called AA to book it we will see AA's price. It looks like xCAI through RJ is only 1000 dollar cheaper. |
Originally Posted by dvs7310
(Post 36099826)
For 1) You can book on RJ to get it to ticket, then remove it later for the $125 fee. You'll also likely get a small refund for the YQ difference since QR is lower.
Has anyone experienced using the AA rtw desk to reticket (re-route) after departure without a change in which continents are touched but when a big base far hike has occurred vs the price you paid (such as the current situation in Cairo)? If so, roughly when and how did it go? Two of the best AA rtw desk staff are telling me given the unusual fare situation ex CAI, they expect reticketing after departure on a a Cathay governed itinerary to include an uplift to reflect the base fare hike. I know I don't want to fly this itinerary as is (though it's not terrible, mostly I was short on time and only put 14 segments in when on the phone as I expected to reticket later). I'm trying to decide if I need to cancel/refund before flying the first segment... |
Originally Posted by zoombee
(Post 36109698)
I know I don't want to fly this itinerary as is (though it's not terrible, mostly I was short on time and only put 14 segments in when on the phone as I expected to reticket later). I'm trying to decide if I need to cancel/refund before flying the first segment...
However, if you change before the first segment you can expect a refare and significant upcharge. Your post seems to imply all the people calling AA helped bring the CAI situation to their attention. Not that that’s at fault, but we knew this fare wouldn’t last long given the number of tickets apparently being issued. Glad I got a $3700 routing I love - can’t wait to start it in a month! |
Originally Posted by ironmanjt
(Post 36109717)
If you’ve flown the first segment you won’t be refunding - once they refare to determine your refund it might not be worth it.
However, if you change before the first segment you can expect a refare and significant upcharge.! Your post seems to imply all the people calling AA helped bring the CAI situation to their attention. Not that that’s at fault, but we knew this fare wouldn’t last long given the number of tickets apparently being issued.! One assumes it's the volume of tickets from any and all channels that was the noteworthy issue. Glad I got a $3700 routing I love - can’t wait to start it in a month! |
Originally Posted by zoombee
(Post 36109772)
Indeed. Hence it's before departure when I can still get a refund for just a 5% deduction that I want to know, or better assess at least, if I'll be able to re-ticket after departure (no change in continents) without paying a massive hike. Waiting till I learn from direct experience will be too late.
One of the agents on the weekend noted "all I've been doing is ex Cairo for a day or two" so yes to the extent that lots of people were booking, or trying to anyhow but one of the staff shared how they were trying to streamline correct decisions so it very much seemed like AA didn't overly care as it's not their fare that was being used, they were just ticketing with other airlines as the governing carrier using that carrier's filed prices. One assumes it's the volume of tickets from any and all channels that was the noteworthy issue. Enjoy! May I ask what your routing is? CAI-xLHR-BER (1 month break) BER-HEL HEL-xSEA-DCA (1 month break) DCA-SFO-ANC ANC-HNL HNL-CXI CXI-NAN-MEL MEL-ADL ADL-xKUL-BKK BKK-xDOH-CAI |
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Originally Posted by zoombee
(Post 36109698)
Speaking of which....
Has anyone experienced using the AA rtw desk to reticket (re-route) after departure without a change in which continents are touched but when a big base far hike has occurred vs the price you paid (such as the current situation in Cairo)? If so, roughly when and how did it go? Two of the best AA rtw desk staff are telling me given the unusual fare situation ex CAI, they expect reticketing after departure on a a Cathay governed itinerary to include an uplift to reflect the base fare hike. I know I don't want to fly this itinerary as is (though it's not terrible, mostly I was short on time and only put 14 segments in when on the phone as I expected to reticket later). I'm trying to decide if I need to cancel/refund before flying the first segment... I imagine that after the dust settles, the existing tickets will get treated no differently than one issued from any other departure point. AA agents are likely being conservative when setting expectations because there hasn't been a massive fare increase on these for a long time. There's no precedence in the past for re-faring on a change after the first segment is flown. We'll see of course and I've little doubt QF will be the least pleasant to deal with, but fortunately for me, I was quick to make the necessary changes right after ticking as I fully expected this fare to end in its current form and am very happy to fly the ticket I have with the exception of date changes on the last 3 segments. |
Originally Posted by dvs7310
(Post 36110187)
... As of now, MH is the only one remaining with the ex-CAI fare, which AA can book with, but if they already used the CX fare to ticket yours I'm not sure it can be changed. (I'm not 100% sure on that, but I know when QF ticketed mine it was either the RJ or QF fare and when I dropped RJ it didn't trigger an increase, which the QR fare would have). Maybe ask them if they can ticket a new one on the MH fare and cancel the one you're unhappy with AFTER the new one issued (since we know AA doesn't ticket immediately, you could loose both if not careful).
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Originally Posted by danger
(Post 36110205)
How is it possible for one airline to ticket on another airline's stock? And if it is possible (say, AA ticket on MH), how would the ticketing airline be able to make changes to it, given it's different paper?
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Originally Posted by danger
(Post 36110205)
How is it possible for one airline to ticket on another airline's stock? And if it is possible (say, AA ticket on MH), how would the ticketing airline be able to make changes to it, given it's different paper?
Originally Posted by ironmanjt
(Post 36110262)
good question for the experts - maybe OW is morning willing but in the Star Alliance land I’m used to good luck with this. United won’t touch a fare basis that’s not their own.
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Originally Posted by dvs7310
(Post 36110282)
It's still issued on the stock of the ticketing airline (001 for AA), but (this was also new to me) they can use any OW carrier's fare basis. That's how AA was ticketing as they pulled their own ex-CAI fare a long time ago. Maybe one of the travel agents will chime in with more detail on the ins and outs of that.
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Share some DPs
1. Asked AA to pricing with RJ as first leg for xCAI, the total cost is 7000 for DONE4. xCAI price is gone now. 2. Asked AA to price xTYO DONE4 as well. $6000. If online tool can issue your ticket, QF will only charge 500 dollars less but online tool has some issue to issue JAL segment so I have to use AA to book. I will probably book xTYO. I used 15 segments and 8 stopovers, I think it is till pretty decent. |
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