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Intra-European flat beds are rare because the market will no longer tolerate the accompanying prices.
Except for equipment swaps there are a small number of exceptions. QR do ZAG-BUD and TBS-GYD on A320s as fifth freedom flights. These are sometimes flat beds and sometimes they are recliner seats. QR also used to do OTP-SOF but SOF recently received direct service from DOH. LA do MAD-FRA.
Originally Posted by francismc
(Post 24748575)
Iberia uses their A340 from LHR - MAD; which is long-haul configuration. Flat bed setup.
Originally Posted by SPBanker
(Post 24749112)
BA at least used to have long-haul configuration between London and Moscow, LHR-DME.
Originally Posted by dcjl
(Post 24750662)
They still do. I flew CW from LHR to DME a few weeks ago in the 777, However, I've noticed on booking sites that they also operate the A321 on the route, which presumably is configured only for CE.
http://www.thebasource.com/seatmaps/a321/23j131y.html |
Originally Posted by Margit
(Post 24813364)
Like the poster asking "Do you realise how small Europe is?" I can't understand why you would want a flat bed when flying within countries in Europe. Most journeys are only between 1 - 4 hours flying.
It never is about "making sense". |
Originally Posted by Margit
(Post 24813364)
Like the poster asking "Do you realise how small Europe is?" I can't understand why you would want a flat bed when flying within countries in Europe. Most journeys are only between 1 - 4 hours flying.
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The LAN flights MAD-FRA-MAD are on a 787 (through service to/from Santiago).
One note is that, although Spain and Germany are both Schengen, the flight is treated as an "international" flight, even if you are only doing the intra-European segment(s) |
Originally Posted by s0ssos
(Post 24828303)
Why aren't there many first-class flights within Asia? It is much bigger. Some flights are as long as New York to London.
It never is about "making sense". Europe and Asia are very different markets, aside from just much greater distances between cities, there are also plenty of companies here who let their employees waste ridiculous amounts of money on premium cabins even for fairly short flights. A lot more business is done face to face here and in some countries takes more visits for relationship building before deals are made, so this supports a market with real premium cabins and no shortage of people to pay for them. |
Originally Posted by Margit
(Post 24813364)
Like the poster asking "Do you realise how small Europe is?" I can't understand why you would want a flat bed when flying within countries in Europe. Most journeys are only between 1 - 4 hours flying.
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Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 24828164)
Intra-European flat beds are rare because the market will no longer tolerate the accompanying prices.
Except for equipment swaps there are a small number of exceptions. QR do ZAG-BUD and TBS-GYD on A320s as fifth freedom flights. These are sometimes flat beds and sometimes they are recliner seats. QR also used to do OTP-SOF but SOF recently received direct service from DOH. ...snip... http://www.thebasource.com/seatmaps/a321/23j131y.html But back to the original issue, I think that except for places like Moscow and Istanbul, Europe isn't big enough to support the demand for fully flat biz seats. I understand that lie flat is almost always preferable to recliners or the economy seats with the middle blocked that most European airlines use, but since very few intra-European flights operate overnight, most people eat and work and read instead of sleeping on the daytime flights. |
Not oneworld, but GA flies a 777 LGW-AMS with fully lie flat seats and has rights to sell seats on that segment.
It is obviously not there to serve local traffic. And the trend is going the other way: BA's new seating, which I just had the pleasure to sample, is Ryanair-worthy (not enough space to read a newspaper in business class!). |
BA flies flat beds to TLV which is in Europe according to FIFA.
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Originally Posted by NYTA
(Post 24848368)
BA flies flat beds to TLV which is in Europe according to FIFA.
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Due to cargo requirements, Finnair on HEL-BRU once a week (thursdays IIRC) is A340 with longhaul configuration.
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Originally Posted by intuition
(Post 24848468)
Due to cargo requirements, Finnair on HEL-BRU once a week (thursdays IIRC) is A340 with longhaul configuration.
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Originally Posted by intuition
(Post 24848468)
cargo requirements [...] HEL-BRU
I understand that Eurobureaucrats are fat, but I didn't think it reached those levels! :D
Originally Posted by onobond
(Post 24850290)
the A340 occasionally does the same route on wednesdays too ^
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Naturally, using HEL hub to transfer cargo.
Has been done for a long time, started with MD11 AY has PHARMA certificate, presumably important to BRU: http://www.finnairgroup.com/mediaen/...l_1700141.html |
Originally Posted by hillrider
(Post 24862052)
I just can't fathom what kind of cargo traffic between those cities might require a 343 between those cities.
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