ex-TLV questions
Jul 18, 2012 | 6:45 pm
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Just in case you haven't been following this thread on the BA board, BA has now announced that it's going to 2-class service to TLV with the phase-in starting this autumn. They'll be using A321s with Club World seating installed, and also using T1 at LHR for some (all?) of the flights, which will now number 3x daily.
So if you're still contemplating an AONEx from Israel, better get the first segment booked before it vanishes off the BA timetable, or else consider starting it in Cairo, where the 777s stay until January (when they too are replaced with A321s.)
Or, save a ton of fuel surcharge money and buy an AONEx out of Amman, and save your BA F European segments for later, e.g. AMM-ORD-DFW-ANC-DFW-YVR-JFK-HKG-HND-SIN-LHR-MCT-LHR-MAD-AMM, or some such.
Or, if time allows, have a look at an AONE5 ex-South Africa, which is around US$1000 cheaper than an AONE4 ex-Israel, and which would give you access to even more "true F" longhaul segments, hence an even greater tier point harvest.
So if you're still contemplating an AONEx from Israel, better get the first segment booked before it vanishes off the BA timetable, or else consider starting it in Cairo, where the 777s stay until January (when they too are replaced with A321s.)
Or, save a ton of fuel surcharge money and buy an AONEx out of Amman, and save your BA F European segments for later, e.g. AMM-ORD-DFW-ANC-DFW-YVR-JFK-HKG-HND-SIN-LHR-MCT-LHR-MAD-AMM, or some such.
Or, if time allows, have a look at an AONE5 ex-South Africa, which is around US$1000 cheaper than an AONE4 ex-Israel, and which would give you access to even more "true F" longhaul segments, hence an even greater tier point harvest.
Jul 19, 2012 | 3:04 am
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Gardyloo - I have been following that thread. It chimes with what I've been finding on the OW online tool where I could book A for TLV-LHR in September but my return segment at the end of the RTW in December was booking into D whatever dates I tried.
I priced AONE4 ex-AMM and it was slightly more expensive (c. USD 1,000) than ex-TLV and would burn non-F segments. ex-CAI and ex-TLV come out at about USD 11,500 inc. taxes for AONE4. ex-JNB is coming out at USD 800 more than ex-TLV but it's obviously AONE5. That's flying directly east to HKG on CX to avoid BA YQ. The positioning costs are also about double that of ex-TLV on a very quick look.
ex-KRT is still coming out USD 3,500 cheaper but is obviously a nightmare to start from and is even worse than ex-AMM for dropping F segments.
However, saying all of this I can't find anyway of getting more than 9 F segments out of any itinerary.
Another day of work wasted to plotting the RTW.
I priced AONE4 ex-AMM and it was slightly more expensive (c. USD 1,000) than ex-TLV and would burn non-F segments. ex-CAI and ex-TLV come out at about USD 11,500 inc. taxes for AONE4. ex-JNB is coming out at USD 800 more than ex-TLV but it's obviously AONE5. That's flying directly east to HKG on CX to avoid BA YQ. The positioning costs are also about double that of ex-TLV on a very quick look.
ex-KRT is still coming out USD 3,500 cheaper but is obviously a nightmare to start from and is even worse than ex-AMM for dropping F segments.
However, saying all of this I can't find anyway of getting more than 9 F segments out of any itinerary.
Another day of work wasted to plotting the RTW.
Last edited by MadProfessor; Jul 19, 2012 at 6:13 am
Sep 17, 2012 | 3:24 pm
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I have just priced an AONE4 out of TLV and now need to pay for it. Can anyone recommend someone at Tal Aviation I should contact, or provide me with the appropriate email address or both?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
Sep 17, 2012 | 3:33 pm
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Sep 19, 2012 | 8:02 pm
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All ticketed
Many thanks to those who continually help and offer advice. Within 2 hours of the original phone call to Tal Aviation my AONE4 was paid for and ticketed.
Sudan was just too dodgy for me - and since the positioning flight is out of Hong Kong - getting to TLV in J on RJ was way cheaper and easier on OW than going to JNB.
Sudan was just too dodgy for me - and since the positioning flight is out of Hong Kong - getting to TLV in J on RJ was way cheaper and easier on OW than going to JNB.
Sep 24, 2012 | 11:29 pm
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A final little twist ... I hope
Been waiting for days now to see the actual transaction on the credit card. For a while the money was pending - but now all released back to the card.
The AONE4 shows as ticketed - anyone seen this before?
The AONE4 shows as ticketed - anyone seen this before?
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Sep 25, 2012 | 12:52 am
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Not with AA, but with QF a few years ago. Once the credit authorization finally went through (long story), the ticket was issued, then it took a month for QF to actually take the money.
Sep 25, 2012 | 6:57 pm
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Yes, many times, but not recently. It can take up to six months for an airline to actually process a charge.
Oct 9, 2012 | 1:04 am
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- Is there anyway to avoid the dreaded BA YQ while still starting on BA metal TLV-LHR?
- Can anybody suggest a good way to use up the remaining segments of my current itinerary? We'd like to go to interesting place but our other priorities are F segments and tier points. I guess we could do some more segments in Europe? My current itinerary is looking like:
TLV-LHR-LAX-DFW-YVR-JFK-HKG-HND-SIN-SYD-MEL-SIN-LHR-TLV
- Can anybody suggest a good way to use up the remaining segments of my current itinerary? We'd like to go to interesting place but our other priorities are F segments and tier points. I guess we could do some more segments in Europe? My current itinerary is looking like:
TLV-LHR-LAX-DFW-YVR-JFK-HKG-HND-SIN-SYD-MEL-SIN-LHR-TLV
It's not true F, but I enjoy adding AA sectors to the Caribbean, since that counts as North America (even if you go to, say, Curaao which is right off Venezuela).
Yes, ex-JNB can be great, but does require some care to be sure to book code shares when it's cheaper. I use the on-line tool to price a base itinerary, then change some flights to code shares and re-price to see if it increases or lowers the "taxes."
Oct 9, 2012 | 10:17 am
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You can use IB in/out of TLV to avoid BA fuel fines (but no F), or may be able to find codeshares on BA (EF is a great help with that).
It's not true F, but I enjoy adding AA sectors to the Caribbean, since that counts as North America (even if you go to, say, Curaao which is right off Venezuela).
I like using EF to research flight options, then use the on-line tool to plan specific sectors/dates/times, since that makes it easy to see how the connections are going, elapsed days, etc. Then I use the summary from the on-line tool when calling the AA RTW desk, and just read off the cities, dates, and flights. I then ticket with an in-country AA office. If you use an independent agent, be sure it's one that can take over and issue PNRs set up by AA (many can't because they don't use Sabre).
Yes, ex-JNB can be great, but does require some care to be sure to book code shares when it's cheaper. I use the on-line tool to price a base itinerary, then change some flights to code shares and re-price to see if it increases or lowers the "taxes."
It's not true F, but I enjoy adding AA sectors to the Caribbean, since that counts as North America (even if you go to, say, Curaao which is right off Venezuela).
I like using EF to research flight options, then use the on-line tool to plan specific sectors/dates/times, since that makes it easy to see how the connections are going, elapsed days, etc. Then I use the summary from the on-line tool when calling the AA RTW desk, and just read off the cities, dates, and flights. I then ticket with an in-country AA office. If you use an independent agent, be sure it's one that can take over and issue PNRs set up by AA (many can't because they don't use Sabre).
Yes, ex-JNB can be great, but does require some care to be sure to book code shares when it's cheaper. I use the on-line tool to price a base itinerary, then change some flights to code shares and re-price to see if it increases or lowers the "taxes."
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